I've never been a big fan of Cheap Channel(for obvious reasons) But I thought I would give them the benefit of the doubt. Boy that was a mistake.

Im not going to sit and Rip on Cheap channel (even though they deserve it, I am going to discuss some points that really frustrate me.

1. First off, I understand that the FCC is cracking down on stations and profanity, that I get, but Cheap Channel has gone a step further and is making UNNECESSARY edits and version of songs that don't need to be made. An example is the song "Back that ass up" By Juvenile. That song has been played MILLIONS of times on hip hop and Top 40 stations. I have never once heard a ridiculous edit called "Back that THING up." But of course Cheap Channel in their ultra conservative views goes beyond reason and makes "Back that ass Up" into back that "Thing Up". WHY??? Cheap Channel?? Jammin 95.5 played the regular version, jammin 1075 played the regular version, and if you look at the playlists across the country Pretty much all hip hop stations are playing the regular version. Why are you guys going overboard? When every other Hip hop station in the country is playing the regular version, Why are you playing a ridiculous edited version!

#2- What happend to all the Block programming on the weekend???? Why was it all removed? If I remember Correctly it was the great Robin Mitchell who stressed that the Successful stations are smart enough to go off the regular format and bring in some different things on the weekend to bring back listeners that they lose on the weekend. Now that is not a quote but its in the same line of what Robin was saying.
I love the show "The backspin" where they played 2 hours of Old Skool Hip hop tracks on sunday afternoon. It was a nice "Break" from the same songs that are played non stop. I really hope Clear Channel brings this program back because it was highly needed.

3. What happend to the Northwest Breakout Show with Cool Nutz". Another great Block programming on the weekend where they feature local Oregon and Washington Hip Hop artists. Is cheap channel going to continue with this? I sure hope so! There is a lot of talented local hip hop artists that are getting discovered because of this show.

WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER Z100!! There are plenty of people that don;t want to hear the stupid Brittney Spears songs or that ridiculous Ryan Seacrest show smacked right in the middays!
Make Jammin a hip hop station not a top 40 station.

Don't fix a format that is not broken Clear channel!!!

JT:

Since Clear Channel has taken over 107.5, it's become more of a "Hip Hop" station, compared to what CBS was doing. The station appears to be evolving in the right direction. Clear Channel has also cleaned up 107.5's audio processing. As for the "Back That Thang Up" edit, it's possible that they were unable to locate a copy of the original version. (This was the case with 94.9 Jamz.)

Z100 has been playing more Maroon 5, Nickelback, Fall Out Boy, etc., which makes sense, now that Jammin 107.5 is in the cluster.

Justin--Several years ago the FCC put in place tough new anti-obsenity rules. Back... IMO is a violation of the new rules.

This song is perfectly fine to play on the air! Cheap channel doesn't need to play their stupid edited version of the song. And yes, I know this for a FACT! If This was true than most of the hip hop stations in the country would get fined because they are all playing the "Back that ass" version". The biggest Hip hop station in the country is playing the regular version.

I understand the new FCC rules, but I also understand when a station goes overboard! Again, Jammin is one of the only hip hop station in the Country playing "back that thing up".

So if Cheap Channel is over-sensoring music, are they going to start sensoring the Playhouse??? Are they going to try and clean up the playhouse since it is an edgy show?

Careful JT. Your ignorance is showing.

Juvenille's record label - not CC - edited "Back that Azz (Thang) Up."

It doesn't matter who's playing the original version, or whether or not they're the "most incredibly popular, and bestest of the bestest Hip-Hop station in the friggin' world!!". (my interpretation of your words) They are at a potential risk of monumental FCC fines if someone were to complain.

Looks like CC is simply playing it safe.

I think y'all are over thinking it. I'd put money on that "Thang" was in the system at CCP and "Azz" wasn't. CCP had to get the station on the air. Go with "Thang" and when there's time to fine-tune you'll hear alternate versions of songs moved out of rotation. I suspect sales people are the only ones with 1 job in the building now. Keep in mind CCP took control of Jammin' a day earlier than planned.

Matt Jones? whats the deal.

6. Clear Channel has pretty much destroyed.....
(a)Jammin
(b)Live local interactive radio
(c)The Broadcast industry
(d)thousand of careers of talented people
(e)All of the above

Bonus question.
Describe in detail your ideas on making radio a viable local medium that will serve both listeners and advertisers within a community focused environment. Please include realistic profit margins and what represents a resonable, sustainable return on investment.
(extra credit for arguing for ownership limits)

Justin:

"This song is perfectly fine to play on the air! Cheap channel doesn't need to play their stupid edited version of the song. And yes, I know this for a FACT!"

A fact? Do you have any proof to back that fact up?


Roger:

"Clear Channel has pretty much destroyed.....
(a)Jammin"

It's easy to say everything is always wrong when you've been on the outside for so long. You're not in Portland, and you're probably not even familiar with 1 out of 10 songs Jammin' plays. I'm no CC defender, but CC didn't destroy Jammin'. Rose City signed the station on, and they signed it off too, which explains how CBS picked up the "intellectual property" when they signed it back on at 107.5.

Clear Channel is headed in the right direction with this one in comparison to CBS. I think that's an understatement.


Theedger:

"I think y'all are over thinking it. I'd put money on that "Thang" was in the system at CCP and "Azz" wasn't. CCP had to get the station on the air. Go with "Thang" and when there's time to fine-tune you'll hear alternate versions of songs moved out of rotation."

I'd put money on you being right!

The station never signed off. It went straight into a simulcast. Speaking of changing songs, I heard "If You See Amy" on Z100. It looks like the song was reissued with the offending letter removed.

Yes, CC doesn't want to risk it.

When I saw the headline to this thread, "Clear Channel has pretty much destroyed Jammin", my first thought was, is that really such a bad thing?

Why should any Broadcaster "risk it".

I'm with you theglide, how do you kill something that sucks to begin with.

I think Jammin sounds fantastic. "The Playhouse" sounds great. I know that hip-hop is not for everyone but that is no reason to knock Jammin. They serve their niche market what do you expect from them? To flip to "hot ac" fire everyone and hire all of us out of work folks? Rap and R&B are here to stay; get use to hearing TI, Snoop, Lil John...R.Kelly, and Usher. Portland has a diverse population should a segment move out of town so the formats we do not like leave to?

Wow! A whole thread on the artistic integrity of "Back That Ass Up" being compromised.

Gee, JT starts out by saying he doesn't want to "sit and Rip on Cheap channel" then does nothing but rip on them.

You wanna hear the unedited version? Then go out, buy a mutherf$%#in' IPOD and f%$#in' download the mutherf$%#in' songs you wanna f%#$in' hear.

That way, you don't have to waste a major part of your day by whinin' like a little schoolgirl.

YEAH, I love it when people come on here and say "What an awful station Jammin is and that they play "Crap."

Hey Guess what? You're not in the demo so get over it, and quit posting ridiculous postings that are subjective and mean NOTHING!
OK The Glyde and Dodger so because YOU think that jammin is CRAP it should go away??? Jeeezus!
Go listen to your "Moldy oldies" and let the teens have a radio station that they like, ok?

OK, "Rappers Delight" is 30 years old now. Do you suppose it's just possible that soon, the upcoming generation will find hip-hop to be their parents' music and drop it cold? What will replace it in their eyes? I've said it before: "I feel sorry for the young generation. Not only can't they shock their parents but they can't even shock their grandparents!"

One thing I find very interesting about Z100 and Jammin as that how similar the formats are. I have been swtching back and forth between Z100 and Jammin comparing the two and they still sound A LOT alike!
Granted, Z100 does play some rock like Nickelback and the Fray BUT i would say they share 85% of the same music. I also have heard the new Dr. Dre song "crack a bottle" On Z100 and not on Jammin. Shouldn't it be the other way around??
And last but not least, Im hearing None of the new Hip Hop On jammin , just a LOT of older(6-7 year old r and b songs on Jammin) Isn't jammin supposed to be the leader in new Hip Hop?

Say whatever you want but the fact of the matter is JAmmin and Z100 sound A LOT ALIKE musically!

If they continue to share so much music, expect one or the other to flip!

Yup, they are sharing a lot of music, so you may have a good point smoochie! If they do flip, God I hope It's Z100! That station has been so stale for so long.
We don't need anymore Skanky Spears clogging the airwaves.
Keep the hip hop and Ditch the Top 40!
Any bets on whats going to happen with the two stations?

I bet if they do flip, you'll still find something to bitch about.

That's a pretty sure bet right there.

Its not bitching, its "constructive criticism". You should be thanking Timberlake ok Outsider. So in advance, "YOU'RE WELCOME".

Whatever many may think, Z100 still has the heritage calls and dial position. Jammin' has been in a state of flux for months now. If either is to change, I'm sure it will be Jammin'.

Adding to what Semoochie said - Z100 must be pretty cheap to keep on the air at this point. Remember when Z100 had one of the best morning shows in the country? The old Zoo couldn't have come cheap. Do they even need a board op for mornings now?

I suspect CC will keep both stations on the air, at least for the foreseeable future. The last thing they'd want to do is make even a tiny bit of room for someone else to sign on a CHR. The format seems to be the rage thanks to PPM.

Whatever many may think, Z100 still has the heritage calls and dial position.

LOLOLOLOL!!!!

Sorry Smooch but Z100 LOST all of it's herritage 100% of it!

The average person on the street doesn't have a clue what you are talking about! It takes quite a bit to alienate that listener and once you're established, you just about have to blow up the format to lose them, that and aging out of the demo. Now, I realize this is a fickle group but total abandonment is unlikely.

Jammin sounds better and Z100 sounds a bit different.

I dont see a problem. If anything CBS killed jammin.

Z100 is playing more pop/rock, and Jammin 107.5 is playing more Rhythmic gold from the past decade. Yes, Jammin should be playing more new music from the likes of Pleasure P, DJ Class, Gorilla Zoe, etc.

"Jammin should be playing more new music from the likes of Pleasure P, DJ Class, Gorilla Zoe, etc".

Kind of like 94.9 Jamz in Eugene?

Jammin' just needs to shut up and die.

I like the music on Jammin I love most music. What I hate is whole wheat bread can't eat it makes me sick. Has nothing to do with radio but I had to share.

Yes, I wish Jammin 107.5 sounded more like 94.9 Jamz. That new music is what sets Rhythmic apart from mainstream CHR.

Jamminis playing mostly older Z100 type songs(from 5-6 years ago) I Hear very little of the new hip hop on Jammin.
Hopefully jammin will get a music director who "understands" the format because the current music on Jammin is pretty poor and the new music is NOT getting played.
I've been hearing a lot of old Ja Rule songs from 5-6 years ago.
That station needs to get the music on track!

Just took a look at Jammin's playlist on www.yes.com Looks pretty hit oriented, with the older hip hop hits comin' up pretty regularly also.

Jammin's music is very familiar hip hop.

I do see the new Eminem (which is awful), the new Black Eyed Peas, that might be about it.

Hey Jammin... you suck!

Has anyone else noticed that this thread would not work for a classical station. You wouldn't see anyone saying "that Mozart song was some weak a@# s@#$, old school classical, I want some of the new stuff." Give them some time I'm sure they will get it up to speed.

It doesn't matter what they play, they will still suck!

Jammins music is a mess. Not only does their format consist of stale older hip hop songs from 5 years ago, BUT they continue to voice track all day parts.

I realize they are called "Cheap Channel" for a reason, but can't they get some live dayparts on the station, outside of mornings???
Ck does not sound live AT ALL! AFTERNOONS ON JAMMIN SOUND DEAD! How much longer is Ck going to be doing a show, pretending to be live in portland??
He is a much better talent than any of the jocks over at Z100, so what anabsolute waste of a jock. Either bring him to portland, or get someone LIVE in the afternoons. Jammin is missing the energy with pre recorded voice tracks. That station desperately needs to update their playlist and get some live talent on that station.

Maybe, they're going after an older audience. I know that sounds strange but if they play very few new songs and rely mostly on library material, that sounds like typical AC behavior.

CC,destroy kpoj next !!!

Then KPAM, KEX and KXL!!! Even if they're not CC...

I was out on the river Sunday. Apparently, most of you were inside on your computers as I noticed the amount of posts during the day Sunday.
However. I was with a group of teens and they were all listening to Z100. When we got to the boat dock, the radios I heard playing were all on Z100. Walking around in the park, most of the sounds I heard from people around playing audible sounds were on Z100.

Apparently, they are all not as smart as most of you because changing the pitch doesn't bother them and they prefer the music there than what is on Jammin. I know a few upper teens (17-18) that occasionally will tune to 106.7 but not much. You might say they agree with you regarding Jammin but I don't think they really do because most of them don't claim to have listened to the old one on 95.5. They find more things the like on it's current version than the old one but they prefer Z100.

Your contacts, apparently, are different. For them it is about their music preferences, not technicality. Modified versions don't bother them, either. It is the music, not the words that interests them. The beat!!!!

Although I was away from the computer most of Sunday, I checked in on Sunday evening, and did not see a lot of activity on this board. What were the hot (pardon the pun) threads on Sunday?

This morning I got a ride in s van, the driver had radio on 620some loon named Tom Heartman was there in place of Craig Walker.seemed to hate banks and credit card companies!Does Tom keep his money under his mattressor buries it in his back yard?? get credit from some guys at the pool hall??

STOP SMOKING CRACK!
WOW!
Do you wear a tin foil hat 24/7?

62kgw, Did you eat paint-chips as a kid? Just wondering. That may explain your posts.