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bullpoopie, global warming will save us. You can park your Hummer and start riding the bus, but 10 chinese fellas will hit the road for the first time and wipe out your contribution.

My coal burning fireplace in my workshop will be spewing forth tons of carbon for a couple of days for sure!

a lesson here:

Just beacuse the earth is getting OLD -
- don't mean it's gonna get COLD!

Just heard on FOX 12, Redmond's HIGH temp. on Monday will be 10 degress! Just got my snow tires on today. I'll be working over the weekend, playing the Jingle Hits. This weather should fit right in.

Do they still supply heat to the broadcast studio?

How can you possibly believe that this is the coldest weather in five years when we are repeatedly told that global warming is a reality and anyone who does not believe it is a moron. We are told that we need to tax everyone because we are using too much carbon and everyone of us is contributing to global warming. The push is greatest in the USA, which is, incidentally, one of the cleanest countries in the world. The dirtiest ones are doing nothing to stop their contributions to it.

So, don't buy into it. Get your bikinis and sunglasses ready and go out in the sun and warmth this weekend and early next week. Bask in it. Keep/get that winter tan going!!!!!
:-)

Highs in the low teens here in Spokane, lows around zero.

W00t bring it! I've missed winter for 14 years, excited to get it back.

Yeah, and I hope we get tons of snow!

Now that gas is, well I won't say reasonable, but less exorbitant, I can afford to drive the Land Cruiser again!! (8 mpg...Screw the carbon footprint!!!)

To borrow Brian's words; bring it (on)!!

Flash! It snowed (and stuck) in New Orleans today.

www.wdsu.com

I remember, I think it was 1981 ... when it snowed and stuck when I was living in New Orleans. I was nine years old, and our family was the ONLY one with coats ... people looked at us like we were from Mars or something. Nobody had ever seen it before down there!

They're saying a foot and a half, at least in Coeur d'Alene, with temps below zero next week now. This just keeps getting better ...

Roger, Harv - "anyone who does not believe is a moron" about pegs it. Your comments above display a total failure to comprehend the most basic aspects of anthropogenic climate change (aka "global warming"). Either that or a serious case of willful ignorance.

Greater climactic extremes (both hot and cold) are in fact evidence that the climate change is indeed happening.

Crap. Now Roger is gonna think I'm Tadc.

Anyone that thinks that global warming means we just get hotter is ignorant.

Dale Gribble: I know what's wrong with your truck! It's your quote-unquote pollution controls. I heard on talk radio you don't even need 'em, they're just an egghead government plot.

Hank Hill: How is cutting down on pollution a government plot, Dale?

Dale: Open up your eyes, man! They're trying to control global warming. Get it? "Glo-bal!"

Hank: So what?

Dale: That's code for U.N. commissars telling Americans what the temperature's going to be in our outdoors. I say let the world warm up, let's see what Boutros-Boutros Ghali-Ghali has to say about that. We'll grow oranges in Alaska!

Hank: Dale, you giblet-head, we live in Texas! It's already 110 in the summer, and if it gets one degree hotter, I'm going to kick your ass!

I saw a little bit of snow while driving over the West Hills this morning, but it hasn't gotten too wintry in Hillsboro yet. I was raking leaves this afternoon, and I didn't even get rained on! I did hear some guys on the 146.960 repeater today who were reporting about 6" of snow in Zigzag.

...and there was an Australian study that showed that people who couldn't tell sarcasm were more likely to suffer dementia. Have your doctor keep an eye out for that.......

Didn't say I couldn't comprehend "GLOBAL WARMING" just don't think ALL climate change is man made, or that the minor expensive lifestyle changes that we can embrace enmasse will make enough difference to justify the cost. My thermostat is already at 60. Is yours? I already bike and walk as much as I can. Do you? I recycle and reuse. Beyond what I am doing will create either a financial hardship, or a discomfort I am unwilling to endure. So unless someone is willing to address the excess human problem, then I guess Al Gore's worst fears will have to play out to solve the problem "naturally". Then it won't matter because none of us will be here anyway.

Carbon credits=tax to make well to do people feel less guilty about living an excess lifestyle.
So how much energy does the multi thousand square foot "Casa Del Gore" consume? He leaves a much bigger footprint than most of us.

So, what caused pre human climate changes? Dinosaur farts?

and Tad, do you have a solution, or just willing to implement an "Experts" opinion at any cost?
Should we plow under every power plant that burns fossil fuel and go green regardless the cost? What to do about those who can't afford solar panels or the 45 cents per KWH unsubsidized green energy will cost as well as the increased cost for necessities? Have to look at the whole picture not just... Fossil fuel bad, solar, electric and wind good.

It all takes time to convert and change, unless of course we get to live the plot line reality of the new movie remake " The Day the Earth Stood Still".....now showing at your local cineplex.

Besides, we have issues like Solar output, which can really affect conditions down here quite quickly. Solar energy output is cyclical and there were times of reduced output over the centuries before the industrial age and man made pollutants and CO2 emmissions were a factor.

I would imagine this effect might still do such a thing, even if we have affected the climate over the last 100 years with man made emmisions. So, I wouldnt get to excited yet about a cold winter or two here in North America. Or on the other hand, if a reduced Solar output continued for a decade or so, it might act as a damper or temporarily reduce the global warming trend.

"if a reduced Solar output"

Do you know something that I don't know? Any "reduced solar output" is NOT good news -- we'd have other things more consequencal to worry about than pollution.

Its getting pretty cold out there, time to thow some more Bibles on the fire, maybe a Koran if it gets really cold.

This isnt new, fluxuations in solar output. And of course over time we have had other events that have reduced the solar energy making it to the planet surface, like volcanic eruptions actually concurent with reduced solar output, like the time in 1816 when Summer in Europe and the North eastern portion of North America " didnt happen". This wet cold situation went on for several years causing many in Europe to starve and some Native American populations here in the N.E. to starve for lack of natural vegetation growth and food for game animals. That 'summer' where it snowed in June and July in New England, many of our indo european American Ancestors were 'encouraged' by this anamoly to head west into the Ohio valley and beyond, what was then a much warmer climate, and they did so from 1816 to 1850 in droves.

Migration of humans driven by climate change. This cold snap was really caused by the eruption of that Volcano (I forget the name now ) in Indonesia. It took a year for the ash to reach around fully to North America and Europe. This wintery summer also encouraged author Mary Shelley of "Frankenstein" fame to write her story. The shelly's and Lord Byron and a whole crowd of literary English nobility partied together and vacationed together. They all went to Lord Byron's castle place near Geneva Switzerland for a summer sware'. Well it was winter all summer long. And all these people in that castle couldnt do summertime activities , so they made up a game to produce the scariest short story and present it before the fire in the castle. So Mary Shelley invented Frankenstein. If you read the original novel it was all about castles, rainy and ice cold weather, glaciers and what not.

I read that currently the solar output , and sunspot activity, which are linked, has been somewhat lower over the last 5 years, and we know this kind of cycle has happened before and within the last 100 years , since out technology has been able to accurately measure such events. During the 1930s, for example , we had a period of high sunspot activity, increased solar output , and we had hot weather, the 'dust bowl' do in part to the dry hot weather, and in another part due to mismanagement of proper agricultural planning.

Reduced solar output , according to the experts, was responsible for what we now call the mini ice ages which occured approxametely between 600 ACE and 950 ACE , then again between 1100 ACE and finally ending in about 1835. The worst of the last one occuring between 1100 and 1650. And according to some, responsible for the terrible black plagues between 1340 and 1710, the worst and most deadly of them occuring in the 1340s. Climate change enabling rat migrations brought to europe initially on boats trading in the Far East and South Asia.

So, natural forces can still change what we humans have done over the last 100 years. Of course this isnt license to keep " shitting in our mess kit" so to speak.

@ 9:30 Am PST in South Kennewick Wa.

Elevation 592 ft.

Temperature : 15.3 F

Wind : N.E. @ 7 gusts to 10

Barometer @ 1014 millibars and rising.

Occasional light snow, drifting, 1.5 inches average on the ground.

Now...Lets all write a scary Novel in front of the fire.

@22:38 PST in East Vancouver

Elevation: 256' AMSL

Temp: 25.1 F

Rel. Humidity: 57%

Wind: E.N.E. @11 mph w/ gusts to 26 mph (5 min ago!)

Barometer: 29.63" Hg and rising.

No snow on ground.

Moon is slightly visible through overcast.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread!

Global Warming missed my house. It was 16 degrees at 9pm and it's still 16! I just hope Santa doesn't miss my house too!

@7:30am PST in Spokane Valley, WA

Elevation: 2076' AMSL

Mostly Cloudy

Temp: 5°F (-15°C)

Humidity: 60 %

Wind Speed: NNE 14 MPH

Barometer: 30.02 in (1021.90 mb)

Dewpoint: -6°F (-21°C)

Wind Chill: -12°F (-24°C)

Visibility: 10.00 Miles

Forecast

Today: Occasional flurries. Mostly sunny and cold, with a high near 10. Wind chill values as low as -23. East wind between 17 and 20 mph.

Tonight: Mostly clear, with a low around -8. Wind chill values as low as -25. Northeast wind between 9 and 13 mph.

Tuesday: Mostly sunny and cold, with a high near 5. Wind chill values as low as -12. Light west wind.

Tuesday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around -8. Wind chill values as low as -23. South wind around 5 mph.

Wednesday: Snow likely. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 14. Southeast wind around 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%.

Wednesday Night: Snow likely. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 9. Chance of precipitation is 60%.


I LOVE it!

Yeah I do too, Brianl. Bachelor's already open and HooDoo (easier on the wallet) is planning on opening on Friday. The sucky part is that there no snow in the forecast between now and then :\

It's sunny and mid fortys in Las Vegas at 8 am. not missing the crapy oregon weather. regards to all my friends up there.

Hi Steve!

mid 40's in Vegas! They are gonna freeze! Yeah, this is cold, but the snow is cool. Much prefer cold and snow to just cold, or cold and rain.

It dosen't rain here very often. I miss a lot of you. regards steve

I just took a look at a map of the current temperatures, and I saw something that I didn't expect: It is very warm up and down the eastern seaboard.

New York City - 60
Buffalo - 46
Pittsburgh - 56
Charleston, WV - 67

It is not until one goes some distance west of the Appalachian Mountains that the winter weather starts.

10 AM 12-15-08 Kennewick, Wa.

Light to Moderate snow, 14 F , Wind North @ 15 gusts to 20 wind chill at least -5. Barometer 1017 and steady.

Blowing and drifting snow, average depth 3 inches. Kennewick School District open 2 hours late. Parents madder than 700 hells over " no school closure"...mostly over the wind chill issues. Hey ! People ! Get ur kids a good coat ( you can get them for free ! ) after all, you live in Eastern Washington !

Around noon today it started to snow here in las vegas, but didnt stick.