95.5FM - football broadcast delay

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Author: Oregonradioguy
Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 8:02 pm
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When I watch local TV broadcasts of the Ducks (and, sometimes Beavers), I like to turn down the TV sound and listen to the radio broadcast as the announcers are better. Yesterday, while watching the Ducks game on the local Eugene station, I also had 95.5 on in the background. I noticed about a 5 second delay between the TV and the radio (the radio broadcast was 5 seconds behind the TV). Usually it is the TV that is later, but I'll save that for another thread. I then turned the radio to the local Eugene station (KUGN) and noticed the delay was only about a second behind the TV. I understand some delay from satellite hops and things like that, but what would cause a full 5 second delay? Is this to protect the station from something being said that would have to be bleeped out for some reason or is this just normal technology now. When I worked in radio back in the late 70's, we had a tape delay system that was an actual audio tape. The program was recorded on audio tape through a record head and then the audio tape looped around a playback head that was about two feet from the record head... about 7 seconds lag time. I would hear the item said that needed to be bleeped on the record head and would have time to lower the volume on the "on air" portion which was the playback head.

Author: Craig_adams
Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 8:26 pm
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Now a days most live talk stations are in delay because of hefty FCC fines. They're covering their butt. Even some music stations are in delay.

Author: Theedger
Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 9:43 pm
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The digital age.

Author: Dberichon
Monday, September 22, 2008 - 5:28 am
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When I worked at entercom, we had delay on all the stations. Usually it was in place for times when live phone calls would be taken on air.

The delay was usually left on through out the day, just because there really is no reason to turn it off. With everything working, the listener has no idea that what they are hearing is 7-15 seconds delayed. (It also can sound kinda funny as the delay "speeds up" to catch up to real time.)

My guess is that's what's going at 95.5. The delay is in place for the local programming involving phones, and they just leave the delay in.

Author: Darkstar
Monday, September 22, 2008 - 6:34 am
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My experience is that most radio stations have a policy of leaving delay in all the time. 7 seconds seems to be the norm.

Just wait until you watch the games over DTV... With the radio stations using a delay, they might actually be closer to matching :-)

Author: Radioboy
Monday, September 22, 2008 - 6:59 am
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I fear that the days of watching live television and listening to the superiour audio coverage on live radio of the same event are long gone.

Both your local station and the television coverage you're watching can be "live" while being out of synch. Blame satellite hops. From the TV truck up to the bird, down to the Earth station, relayed via microwave to MCR, produced through a studio, back to the Earth station, up on the bird, downlink on the bird to "wherever." Wherever could be your local TV station. If you watch your local TV station on DirectTV it goes up one one time to earth synchronous orbit, then down to your dish at home. While transmissions travel at the speed of light, the speed of light in broadcasting is somewhat slower.

There was a also a time not that long ago when you could tune to your local news radio station and synch your watch to the network "top of the hour tone." While you may still hear that tone now, there's no telling if your local station is delaying it along with everything else.

I find the only way to fetch "real time" is to synch your computer clock by right clicking it and going to "adjust day/time." The other way is to tune WWV/WWVH on shortwave.

We're screwed. We're just screwed. Ain't we just screwed no matter what we do? They got us where they want us. Bent over.

Author: Stevethedj
Monday, September 22, 2008 - 7:49 am
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When I worked for kvan and the fan a few years ago. we would take the station out of delay for the game. sometimes kiro would forget to do that. i would have to call them to take it out of delay, just for the game. for the mariners. now with cheeper help, most stations don't bother, or know what we are talking about. yes the quality of help has gone downhill the last few years.

Author: Radio_it_pro
Monday, September 22, 2008 - 8:14 am
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10-40 seconds delay is the norm.

Author: Jimbo
Monday, September 22, 2008 - 8:21 am
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TV Delays are due to all the digital processing more than satellite hops and microwave hops.

Author: Triforce
Monday, September 22, 2008 - 10:14 am
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The Game probably didn't take the feed out of delay. They go to delay during pre-game, but should exit out before the game starts.

Author: Kent_randles
Monday, September 22, 2008 - 12:31 pm
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TV and radio game audio being in sync is just a happy coincidence.

Gone are the days where the sportscaster sat in the press box, and his audio went undelayed all the way to your radio (except maybe for high school games on KBPS or KFXX).

Digital video, as mentioned above, throws off the timing, and not always predictably!

Practically speaking here in 2008, there is going to be a profanity delay for both the TV and the radio programming.

If the radio station is FM HD then there is going to be an additional 8 seconds of delay.

By the way, I believe the speed of light is pretty much the same everywhere in the universe. There is not enough wire involved these days for the velocity factor to matter (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_factor), and it still takes about 1/4 second for a signal to go through a satellite in geosynchronous orbit.

Author: Alfredo_t
Monday, September 22, 2008 - 12:53 pm
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When Phil Hendrie was on KPAM in the 10 PM - 1 AM slot, I could often hear the show playing on another 860 kHz station. The audio would first play on the out of town station, and a few seconds later, it would be broadcast on KPAM. Thus, yes, it does seem like some stations run the delay full-time.

Author: Radionut
Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 12:42 am
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Where you listening to 95.5 direct or on the Internet? Internet broadcasts are delayed anywhere from 5 to 60 seconds from what is on the radio.

Author: Richjohnson
Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 9:50 am
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A couple of years ago I was able to synch up a Ducks game on ESPN with Jerry Allen's call on XM by pausing my Tivo. It took 2-3 attempts, but it worked out.

Attending a U of Maryland game last season, the home radio was a full play behind live action thanks to delay.

But the Georgia Tech radio crew was using a one-watt FM transmitter dialed into a gap on the commercial FM band for their on-field reporter. A real-time play-by-play that came in better than the Terps' home radio station!

RJ

Author: Outsider
Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 11:36 am
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Google radio delay. There are several free ware programs you can download that you can use to sync audio with video. I have one called Radio Delay that works great, but for the life of me, can't remember the url for the site I downloaded it from.

Author: Saveitnow
Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 5:08 pm
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The delay on radio depends if they are using phone line or Short Wave Signal. Phone lines take longer and that's why what you see on TV is ahead of radio.

However if it's shortwave it is ahead of TV. If the Duck game is behind on radio somebody is trying to save money as it use to always be ahead of TV.


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