Author: Alfredo_t Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 1:20 pm |
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In 2001, KJUN moved to Portland from Tillamook. Now, things are in the works for KBNW and KTIL to move to Portland. Do we really need this many FM radio stations? Will the market be better served with these extra signals? How will the markets losing these signals be impacted? |
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Author: Broadway Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 4:10 pm |
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someone do a report on past/future coastal/mountain move-in's to PDX...I would think quite a list...come on you kids have plenty of time to do! |
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Author: Skeptical Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:27 pm |
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Craig has his hands full already. Since you are in need of a new hobby, perhaps you can undertake this mission! |
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Author: Roger Friday, August 29, 2008 - 4:07 am |
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Do we really need this many FM radio stations? |
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Author: Broadway Friday, August 29, 2008 - 4:10 am |
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>>Since you are in need of a new hobby |
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Author: Jr_tech Friday, August 29, 2008 - 12:50 pm |
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Back to the original question: |
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Author: Field_strength Friday, August 29, 2008 - 10:38 pm |
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Don't forget KWLZ 96.3 and KNRQ 97.9, both with CPs to move into Portland. That makes at least four new move-ins. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 12:27 am |
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> Look at the schedule for KTIL... lots of good local stuff that the residents will never hear from > a Portland station: |
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Author: Roger Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 6:53 am |
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AND THIS IS WHY THE FCC IS ALL FAQ-ed TUP. |
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Author: Kjunguy Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 8:48 am |
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They are still going to have an FM station down in the Tillamook area in Netarts on the same frequency, I believe. That was in the proposal which I have part of below: |
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Author: Theedger Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 9:52 pm |
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Do we need more FM's? Yes. Why? Cuz I can't find anything to listen to now. Maybe a new station will take a chance on a format tha ISN'T offered in the market. That could send people like me to listen to the radio. Not taking away from other stations, but keeping the ipod off a bit longer. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Monday, September 01, 2008 - 3:10 am |
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Maybe the format wheel will stop spinning somewhere where it hasn't yet, and that might be a good thing. What I am worried might happen is that these stations will cost so much that the buyers will decide to "play it safe" and go up against an existing station instead of trying something different. |
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Author: Roger Monday, September 01, 2008 - 8:39 am |
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OK, what format is viable from a revenue standpoint and how do you want it staffed? |
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Author: Kjunguy Monday, September 01, 2008 - 9:01 am |
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I still maintain the Russian folk music is the way to go. I couldn't get it on KSND no matter how hard I tried. |
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Author: Roger Monday, September 01, 2008 - 2:05 pm |
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.......Russian folk music....... |
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Author: Kjunguy Monday, September 01, 2008 - 7:19 pm |
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Yeah, I should apply for one of those LPFM's that are going to be 10 watts. That should about cover the area needed. |
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Author: Rongallagher Monday, September 01, 2008 - 8:17 pm |
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two words: Punk Country |
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Author: Nitefly Monday, September 01, 2008 - 9:25 pm |
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How about a station that plays only cylinder records (c.1890-1920)? |
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Author: Roger Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 4:21 am |
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two words: Punk Country |
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Author: Broadway Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 5:04 am |
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>>Punk Country |
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Author: Alfredo_t Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 12:38 pm |
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> two words: Punk Country |
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Author: Greenway Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 8:55 pm |
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Hey there radioheads,let's take Punk Country seriously here....Call it what you want--Americana,alt.country--in my feeble mind it's the best new music format there is,encompassing quite a wide variety--Son Volt,the Jayhawks,some Neil Young,even the latest work by Loretta Lynn...there are many others...A few years ago on this board I wrote that my burning ambition in life was to be for Americana on this board what Wayne was for Smoooth Jazz--its primary advocate,its chief honk,if you will, |
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Author: The_dude2 Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 7:05 am |
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I'll agree with you, Greenway. |
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Author: Billboise Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 6:01 pm |
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The sign in a vet's office reads "You can never have too many cats." |
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Author: Notalent Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 12:05 pm |
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Punk Country... |
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Author: Greenway Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 3:50 pm |
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There is also a KPIG translator from Monterey,I think,at 1670 AM. Kinda fun to DX it |
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Author: Jr_tech Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 4:15 pm |
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Great! The KPIG website lists KNRO 1670 in Redding. I have logged that station before, will give it a try tonight. |
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Author: Newflyer Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 7:11 pm |
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Cool that you could receive the station... I've received both KPIG and KGED "Legends 1680" Fresno for a few nights about a month or two ago with just a simple walkman-style digital tuning radio. |
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Author: Jr_tech Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 8:02 pm |
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By 6:15 or so, KPIG/KNRO Redding was an easy catch from Hillsboro with almost any small battery-operated radio. At 7:45 they dropped to night power, and are mostly covered by another station. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 11:12 pm |
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I think that I'm hearing the pig on 1670 right now. They announced, "The Hog Call number is 724-PORK!" |
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Author: Alfredo_t Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 11:52 pm |
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The Pig is now playing Timbuk3's "The Future's So Bright (I Gotta Wear Shades)!" :-0 |
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Author: Jr_tech Friday, September 05, 2008 - 12:10 am |
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Yep! I just heard them on a 1940 RCA 45x1 "Little Nipper", that I was aligning. Many sets of this era tune past 1700 kc, as local Police departments used these frequencies. The 5-tube little nipper indicates 172 (1720 kc) at the top end of the dial. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Friday, September 05, 2008 - 10:43 am |
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At first, I was listening to them on a DX-390 connected to a 45' folded monopole vertical. The DX-390s sensitivity with its built-in ferrite rod is so lousy that nothing intelligible could be heard on 1670 without the aid of an external antenna. The vertical brought in a strong signal but its non-directional pattern caused some co-channel interference to be heard. I switched to the modified Technics SA-929 on an outdoor loop, pointed south. This cleaned up the co-channel interference, but the adjacent channel signals were still strong enough that I had to listen with a narrow IF (about 3kHz audio response). |
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Author: Craig_adams Friday, September 05, 2008 - 6:21 pm |
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Jr tech: Is this your radio? |
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Author: Jr_tech Friday, September 05, 2008 - 6:48 pm |
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I wish... The fancy Catalin cabinets are very expensive now. Mine is the plain old brown Bakelite: |
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Author: Alfredo_t Friday, September 05, 2008 - 6:56 pm |
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I'm impressed that they could pack that much performance into a five-tube radio!! |
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Author: Newflyer Friday, September 05, 2008 - 9:08 pm |
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KPIG just played... "Treetop Flier..." |
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Author: Seguedad Friday, September 05, 2008 - 11:14 pm |
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As someone who has been listening to The Pig for seven years now online, and have the Lard Card to prove it, I can highly recommend the format. The free-spirited "free-range DJs" get to pull their own music, and have wide latitude: alt-country, roots, blues, zydeco, folk, reggae, vintage rock, bluegrass, et-freaking-cetera, not to mention comedy bits, fake commercials and live music in the studio. |
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Author: Waynes_world Monday, September 15, 2008 - 11:05 am |
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Yes we need more FM's we have too many stations on here with the same formats. I know that smooth jazz has been tried but the format hasn't worked because it wasn't promoted and it didn't have much variety. Maybe one of the new stations could try it. I am back by the way. |
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Author: Semoochie Monday, September 15, 2008 - 11:41 am |
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Smooth Jazz is running into the age factor that killed B/EZ, Standards and Oldies. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Monday, September 15, 2008 - 2:04 pm |
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If Smooth Jazz is a relic of the 1990s, due to its audience becoming too old, then what, if anything, will fill the niche for instrumental background music? |
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Author: Waynes_world Monday, September 15, 2008 - 2:21 pm |
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but who is to say that the younger listeners only like modern contemporary rock? I bet many of them want something else. I remember when I was in high school I listened to KYXI and later KPOL in LA when it played standards. I bet an FM with that would be a welcom change. Maybe also some station could have an accoustic format that would cover the old and the newer music like what BoomerRadio plays. |
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Author: Warner Monday, September 15, 2008 - 2:55 pm |
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"I remember when I was in high school I listened to KYXI and later KPOL in LA when it played standards." |
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Author: Alfredo_t Monday, September 15, 2008 - 2:56 pm |
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Also, don't forget about the new AM 1130 construction permit. |
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Author: Jr_tech Monday, September 15, 2008 - 3:08 pm |
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Smooth jazz is broadcast on KKCW HD-2 (103.3) .. perhaps it is time to buy a HD radio? |
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Author: Broadway Monday, September 15, 2008 - 3:31 pm |
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>>the new AM 1130 construction permit |
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Author: Waynes_world Monday, September 15, 2008 - 4:45 pm |
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Thanks Warner, I missed everybody! I just get tired of rock and roll on the radio. I listen to the internet anyway because there is too much garbage on the radio. I don't know why 105.9 needed to play the exact same music as K Hits. I have heard the same songs at the same time. If Kool played the earlier hits they might have more variety. |
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Author: Semoochie Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 1:39 am |
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It isn't the same music! 75% of the music on Kool is from the 60s. K-Hits usually plays between 3 and 5 per hour. K-Hits has more variety but mostly from the 70s. I'm pretty sure K-Hits would play even fewer 60s at this point, if it weren't for Kool. Anything before 1962 is really vague for me and I'm now over the age limit so anything pre-Beatles is mostly out of the question and the mid-60s don't have much time left either! |
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Author: E_dawg Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 5:07 pm |
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Now......if we can move KFIS from 104.1 to 104.3 and KKCW from 103.3 to 103.5, we can easily add KYTE 102.7 from Newport to PDX area. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 5:33 pm |
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I had forgotten that Clear Channel mooved the Smooth Jazz to a HD subchannel. They didn't give up on it after all! To be honest, it is my opinion that there are two kinds of people who ask about programming formats or styles on this board: |
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Author: Waynes_world Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 6:32 pm |
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Moochie I have heard the same songs on KOOL repeated at the same time on K-Hits. I wish one station would do the 70s and the other the 60s and late 50's. |
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Author: Waynes_world Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 6:34 pm |
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So Alfredo it sounds like there should be some room for smooth jazz on FM. At least KINK should start playing that again. That was what got me interested in it. |
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Author: Semoochie Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 2:16 am |
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Traditional Oldies time has passed. We will not be hearing anymore of it on a full powered FM and I'm quite surprised we even have Kool! |
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Author: Radioxpert Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 2:42 am |
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105.9 should be choosing a new format, under the direction of Tommy Austin! |
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Author: 1lossir Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 5:34 am |
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>>it sounds like there should be some room for smooth jazz on FM<< |
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Author: Waynes_world Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 8:05 am |
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Thats why I am on the internet listening there. I find a lot more variey there then on the radio.There are great stations on there like KD radio and NetOldies.com and Radio Bop. |
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Author: Chris_taylor Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 8:32 am |
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The station my wife and I voice track for is about 70 percent smooth jazz. The rest is classic R&B, A/C, and some oldies. We don't mention smooth jazz in any of the imaging. We're known as The Wave, which seems appropriate being a coastal city we broadcast from. |
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Author: Bryank Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 8:44 am |
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When I am old and sitting in the Senior Center listening to the radio, the radio will be playing "Music of your Life", or rather, of my life and the lives of those folks there. |
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Author: Waynes_world Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 10:36 am |
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Someday those guys will be old standards folks. They sound great compared to some of the new stuff I keep hearing. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 11:03 am |
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> So Alfredo it sounds like there should be some room for smooth jazz on FM. |
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Author: Waynes_world Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 11:27 am |
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I thought the reason KINK did so well earlier was that it added jazz in with the rest of their sound. My complaint is that the station plays way too many commercials. |
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Author: Randy_in_eugene Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 11:26 pm |
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Popular music in general has trended more uptempo. Perhaps "Smooth Jazz" killed itself off by moving in the opposite direction. |
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Author: Semoochie Friday, September 19, 2008 - 12:09 am |
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We have 88.7, 89.5, 90.3 and soon, 91.1 and 94.3 transmitting from Mt. Hood. How many more stations do you think will locate up there? By the way, I noticed that Cornelius is now over 10,000 in population. There's another possible COL for first local service. |
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Author: Radiogiant Friday, September 19, 2008 - 11:44 am |
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Soooo, when is KNRQ 97.9 scheduled to move to Portland ?? Will it be a Cumulus station ??Is it being bought by someone else ?? Is Cumulus buying other property in Portland ??? |
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Author: Alfredo_t Friday, September 19, 2008 - 1:24 pm |
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With all of these Portland move-ins, I think that the following lyrics from The Dead Milkmen are apropos: |
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Author: Waynes_world Friday, September 19, 2008 - 2:55 pm |
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The group must be from California. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Friday, September 19, 2008 - 4:20 pm |
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The Dead Milkmen were from Philadelphia, PA (I would have never guessed). In that song they were apparently satirizing some now-obscure news events of the mid 1980s, wherein Portland, OR became notorious for attracting psychopaths, murderers, and arsonists from other parts of the country. Some time ago, I was at a dinner, and somebody pointed out that Portland had gained that dubious distinction in the 80s. The person did not know about the Dead Milkmen's lyrics, so I was thrilled that after all these years, I finally understood what this song was about. Now, back to radio... |
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Author: Inthemiddle Friday, September 19, 2008 - 4:31 pm |
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We need more conservative-talk radio stations in Portland. There just isn't enough. Screw that! We need more conservative-talk all over the US. |
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Author: E_dawg Friday, September 19, 2008 - 4:41 pm |
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How about moving 95.1 KSND from Mommouth OR to Mt. Hood, 105.5 Hood River to Mt. Hood |
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Author: Radioxpert Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 1:54 am |
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Portland's 95.5 being a class C, would keep 95.1 at very low power. Longview's 105.5 KUKN would keep KCGB from covering Portland. |
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Author: Waynes_world Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 10:55 am |
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Maybe the group is talking about the Californians who moved up here. There have been many. |
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Author: Roger Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 1:22 pm |
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maybe they meant Portland Maine? |
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Author: Newflyer Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 1:33 pm |
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Actually, 95.5 KXTG is in the same type of situation as KZEL (as discussed in the other thread)... KXTG (as well as other stations on Stonehenge) is 100 kW at 386m, which technically puts it in class C0 territory: |
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Author: E_dawg Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 4:16 pm |
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88.3 KBVM |
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Author: Billboise Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 7:23 am |
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Awww, you're complaining about too many stations. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 10:20 am |
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...And that is only FM. |
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Author: Semoochie Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 11:07 am |
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1410 KBNP |
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Author: Alfredo_t Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 12:19 pm |
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Oops!! Make that 29 AM signals in the Portland metro area. |
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Author: E_dawg Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 5:15 pm |
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Would it be possible to add 91.9 FM in the Portland area? |
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Author: Alfredo_t Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 5:20 pm |
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We have translator K220IN on 91.9 at 5 Watts. |
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Author: Radioxpert Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 5:57 pm |
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E-dawg was referring to a class A (or higher) signal coming to the Portland area. This would bump the 91.9 translator off the air. |
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Author: E_dawg Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 12:09 pm |
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Should Portland radio station be like Mexico City(in terms of radio dial, not format)? |
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Author: Alfredo_t Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 3:02 pm |
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The way that those guys pack in the AM stations at 20 kHz intervals seems wacky! However, I don't know the geographic proximity of these stations to one another or anything about directional patterns that these stations might use. For instance, if we count some of our rimshots, we have 1390, 1410, 1430, and 1450 all as greater Portland stations. We will soon also have 1130 and 1150! |
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Author: Broadway Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 3:20 pm |
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Boy the power bills/coverage maps for those 100kw AM's! |
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Author: Yahmit Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 8:19 pm |
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Are too many radio stations moving to Portland...bottom line, Yes! |
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Author: Davemagruder Friday, October 03, 2008 - 4:32 pm |
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Is Van Moe (owner of TIL/MBD) gonna continue owning the station, or is he buying up the new station in Netarts in exchange? |
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Author: Trixter Friday, October 03, 2008 - 5:02 pm |
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What the frequency of the Netarts station? where will it be located? |
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Author: E_dawg Friday, October 03, 2008 - 5:34 pm |
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You think Portland has too many radio stations, lets try Rome, Italy and tell me about it. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Friday, October 03, 2008 - 6:05 pm |
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Are all of those Roman stations licensed operations, or are some of them pirates? Years ago, I saw multiple accounts that loopholes in Italian law had led to a large number of pirates going on the air, without the authorities being able to do much about them. With that kind of crowding on the FM band, are there a lot of AM broadcasters in Rome, as well? I couldn't find an AM list. |
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Author: Semoochie Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 12:15 am |
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It may not be as bad as it looks. Those channels might only be 100Khz wide but still... |
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Author: Waynes_world Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 11:00 am |
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We have too many stations that have the same format in Portland. We have way too many rock and talk stations. What would be wrong with a station with an accoustic format? It would be like the accoustic storm. That would be a nice change of pace. Plus with that format we could hear both the old and new music. |
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Author: Semoochie Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 2:12 pm |
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I can tell formatic differences between every music station in Portland and I'm way out of the demo for most of them! |
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Author: Motozak2 Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 2:20 pm |
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Alfredo-- |
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Author: Semoochie Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 3:12 pm |
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My take on a rimshot is a station that is located outside of a metro area but intentionally beams its signal that way and tries to program to its environs. A very good example would be 105.1, when the antenna was on a Cascade foothill. All of the stations on Mt Hood would qualify as will the 1130 in Mt Angel, since the signal will be beamed directly at us in the daytime. 1230 and 1360 don't count as they are simply suburban stations and the remaining Salem stations don't count either as they don't program to the metro area and barely reach it if at all. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 6:57 pm |
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With the AM stations, I was using the term simply to mean radio stations that are close enough that their groundwave signal reaches the Portland area and can be received reasonably well in some parts of the city but not in others. I the contexts where I have seen the term "rimshot" used before, this refers purely to the station's marketing or the management's wishful thinking. In other words, if a suburban station calls itself a "Portland" station, then it is a rimshot. I may have been using the term too loosely because only a few of the "rim-shots" that I listed try to identify themselves with the Portland area--namely KUIK and KOAC (years ago, the 550 frequency appeared in bus billboard ads for OPB radio). A directional signal that "beams" into a metro area is not really necessary. |
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Author: E_dawg Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 5:21 pm |
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You should be lucky to have plenty of radio stations in Portland. Try living in London England or Toronto Canada. |
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