Author: Radiohustla Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 4:18 pm |
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if you to allacess .com they report the fcc has fined kbms radio |
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Author: Alfredo_t Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 5:03 pm |
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Here is a link to the FCC forfeiture order: |
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Author: Itsvern Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 5:17 pm |
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FCC needs an appointment! LOL! |
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Author: Semoochie Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 5:27 pm |
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That's a little like a dog needing an appointment to scratch behind its left ear. |
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Author: Broadway Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 6:39 pm |
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>>FCC agent was told that he would have to set up an appointment to gain access to the station |
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Author: Radioxpert Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 12:37 am |
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What kind of clueless idiots are running KBMS? "Party Blues" in Portland? The Urban AC format was much more logical! |
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Author: Newflyer Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 8:12 pm |
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I wasn't going to bash them based on format; but comment that I thought the FCC posted their guidelines for radio stations on their website, which would make it easy for just about anyone that can read to be able to understand the rules. |
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Author: Semoochie Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 8:34 pm |
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I love the idea of needing an appointment for a surprise inspection! |
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Author: Alfredo_t Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 9:17 pm |
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I won't bash the "Party Blues & Oldies" programming that is on during the weekends because I like it, and the personalities, albeit satellite delivered, are pretty entertaining. However, since KBMS's owners can't even keep one person working in the offices during regular business hours, I wonder who or what is controlling their transmitter? What are the FCC's requirements for transmitter telemetry and station log keeping? |
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Author: Craig_adams Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 9:56 pm |
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I believe I know the reason why there are no personnel working at the site. There is no running water or toilet, unless that's changed. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 10:41 pm |
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As I understand it, at one time that would have been considered an FCC rules violation, as well!! |
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Author: Craig_adams Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 11:00 pm |
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I don't think that's true. 1480 has been at the site since 1969 and has never had plumbing. However KVAN at the time used the toilet in the "St. John's Gun Club & Dog Motel" and it's address was the same: 11197 N. Portland Rd. Maybe that's how they got around the rules. |
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Author: Kkb Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 11:51 pm |
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Is it located where KAAR radio was? |
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Author: Craig_adams Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 11:57 pm |
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Yes! Same transmitter site. |
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Author: Tadc Friday, August 08, 2008 - 12:45 pm |
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So just out of curiosity, what might I find in a public file? Is there anything interesting? |
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Author: Andy_brown Friday, August 08, 2008 - 1:01 pm |
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The most interesting part of the history is the forfeiture of the license by Ada Murphy and her daugher Kathryn? Brown after they relocated the station without permission. The Big B.A. probably knows more about this than anyone. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Friday, August 08, 2008 - 1:16 pm |
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> Even a receptionist meets the requirement. |
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Author: Billboise Friday, August 08, 2008 - 7:39 pm |
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A little thing called a "Main Studio Waver" would cost $$$. |
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Author: Craig_adams Friday, August 08, 2008 - 7:52 pm |
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I believe Mr. Bennett lives in the Seattle area. |
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Author: Magic_eye Friday, August 08, 2008 - 8:17 pm |
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"A little thing called a 'Main Studio Waver' would cost $$$." |
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Author: Kennewickman Friday, August 08, 2008 - 9:42 pm |
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Ya, we had a legal solution to such a conundrum with a 4 channel Russco mixer a mic and some thrown together STL xmiter and a Sat reciever ...for this Religious class A FM KGDN at the last 6 station cluster I worked for. KGDN is owned by a guy named Tom Smith ( I think )who lives in Spokane. |
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Author: Semoochie Friday, August 08, 2008 - 10:45 pm |
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I was under the impression that the KISN Corner was a glorified shopping center remote and not a main studio at all. The transmitter site was the main studio and a certain amount of their broadcasts had to originate from there. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Friday, August 08, 2008 - 11:23 pm |
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Agreed--the transmitter site studio was in the city of license, Vancouver, WA. |
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Author: Semoochie Friday, August 08, 2008 - 11:37 pm |
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...and for more on this story, we take you to Craig Adams. |
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Author: Craig_adams Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 1:26 am |
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This is something Robin Mitchell knows more about. |
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Author: 62kgw Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 9:02 am |
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is the kbms antenna site at the same place as origional 91kisn?same place as 1480kvan monomania?? |
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Author: Stevethedj Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 9:05 am |
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yes, it's at the same place as 1480 kvan monomanics site. and it still dosent have a working bathroom. |
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Author: Broadway Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 10:40 am |
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>>still dosent have a working bathroom. |
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Author: Semoochie Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 11:20 am |
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I'll put it another way: Was the 910 transmitter site ever in Vancouver? I'm only aware of the 2 locations, (what is now) Airport Way and Smith Lake in Norh Portland. |
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Author: Stevethedj Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 11:56 am |
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Is ron, the former CE of KKEY still around. He would know. |
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Author: Andy_brown Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 12:36 pm |
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KVAN (910 or 1480 or both ... when did 910 switch from KVAN to KISN? ) was once located on Smith Lake, slightly WNW of the present KBMS site (up the dirt road beyond Rusty's Gun Club). |
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Author: Kennewickman Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 5:37 pm |
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KISN transmitter site with auxilliary studios were built just east of the Portland Airport ( Troutdale ) in 1965-66. That is when they got to raise power to 5KW with a 4 tower inline' array. |
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Author: Craig_adams Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 10:00 pm |
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Man, where do I begin? First thanks Semoochie for restating your question, I miss understood. Kennewickman is correct. The original KVAN 910 had its first transmitter site at 2915 Fruit Valley Rd. in Vancouver, which was the main studio. KVAN had an additional studio at The Evergreen Hotel at 504 Main St. |
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Author: Semoochie Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 11:44 pm |
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Ron Hudson is alive and well and enjoying his retirement. One more thing about Ron: His father-in-law was one of the original engineers of KGW! |
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Author: Craig_adams Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 12:12 am |
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What is his father-in-laws name? |
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Author: Semoochie Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 1:47 am |
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I'll ask. |
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Author: Outsider Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 6:56 am |
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Nice to know that the "Duck Club" (as those of us who worked at KARadiO when it moved back over there from Orchards in 1981 called it)still lives. Last time I drove by the location, about 3 to 5 years ago, the gate was locked, and the weeds, trees and bushes were so overgrown, that you couldn't see the buildings from the street. |
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Author: Kennewickman Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 7:50 pm |
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Ok, where is Smith lake? Is that off N.W.Marine drive aka the Duck Club? So I guess 910 as KISN was first at Smith Lake then moved out to Troutdale in 65' and increased to 5kw...Do I have that right? |
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Author: Andy_brown Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 8:12 pm |
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Smith/Bybee Lakes: |
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Author: Kennewickman Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 8:22 pm |
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Ok, Andy, I gotcha...thanx for the link...I have been out there a few times on my way to somewhere else... |
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Author: Andy_brown Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 8:36 pm |
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Here's a scan I just did of the 1961 USGS map. |
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Author: Andy_brown Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 8:45 pm |
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I also have the Vancouver USGS map, also 1961, and the location you refer to shows no radio towers. When I hit town in '76 1550 was in the process of moving east to along the 205 freeway, on the west side of 205, between RT 500 and NE 28th which is where they were until taking over the four tower array further west at 162nd and 34th when 1480 abandoned it as I previously detailed. I do recall but can't confirm that 1550 was operating from a short tower located at a school as they were preparing for this move. That would possibly be the Fruit Valley School located near that address, but again, I don't know for sure. The Fruit Valley address is about 6 or 7 miles west of the 205 Freeway, in fact it is west of the I-5 freeway as well. |
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Author: Radiopinion Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 9:55 pm |
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The KAAR studios were in Hazel Dell in 1983. I did mornings there. Ric Elgin followed me in middays. It was great. Michael Jack Kirby became the PD, which was cool. Later, they moved to Tower Mall. I think Craig maybe worked there then and BA was running the show for awhile. I had another job, but BA let me do Sundays, which I really appreciated. Lots of great memories, but a whacky world some days. |
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Author: Markandrews Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 10:11 pm |
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The address for KGAR in their 1kw daytimer days was 2808 Walnut St... Definitely in the Fruit Valley neighborhood, along the railroad tracks. |
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Author: Craig_adams Sunday, August 10, 2008 - 10:56 pm |
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Everyone should make a copy of the historic map the Andy posted. I've made a copy for my KVAN/Kisn file. Thanks Andy! |
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Author: Radioxpert Monday, August 11, 2008 - 12:31 am |
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"I've circled the old KVAN 910 site |
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Author: Craig_adams Monday, August 11, 2008 - 12:41 am |
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Yes. |
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Author: Semoochie Monday, August 11, 2008 - 2:08 am |
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I was under the impression that 1480 never moved its daytime transmitter site since moving to N. North Portland Road. They had a construction permit for 34th Street but never built it out. They had another CP for Government Island but that never saw the light of day(or night)either. |
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Author: Craig_adams Monday, August 11, 2008 - 2:20 am |
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It's confusing between the studio & transmitter moves plus I added the 1480 transmitters sites after doing the 1550 list and didn't catch all the updated transmitter corrections. Here's what it should have been: |
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Author: Semoochie Monday, August 11, 2008 - 10:05 am |
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Just so you'll know, it's North North Portland Road. |
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Author: Kennewickman Monday, August 11, 2008 - 3:11 pm |
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ha ha ha...well you learn something every day @ PDX.com....Ok,,Walnut street that sounds vaguely familiar now...yes I do remember 1550 KGAR very well because we lived up on the border of Telecaset and Columbia addition near 40th and Columbia up the hill to the NE from that station ..and the hetrodyne spurious radiations from KGAR were murder on the 40 meter ham band ! But all was well after sunset as 1550 was a daytimer in those days. |
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Author: Billboise Monday, August 11, 2008 - 7:03 pm |
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"Tower Mall, 5411 E. Mill Plain Blvd., Vancouver (studio 1985-87" |
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Author: Alfredo_t Monday, August 11, 2008 - 7:13 pm |
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Here's a link to the 1550 history: |
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"Just so you'll know, it's North North Portland Road." |
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Author: Semoochie Monday, August 11, 2008 - 11:55 pm |
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Unless they changed the name, it's in the north section and the street name is "North Portland", making it N. North Portland Rd. |
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Author: Jimbo Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 10:26 pm |
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"Ok, where is Smith lake? Is that off N.W.Marine drive aka the Duck Club? So I guess 910 as KISN was first at Smith Lake then moved out to Troutdale in 65' and increased to 5kw...Do I have that right?" |
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Author: Jeffreykopp Friday, August 15, 2008 - 1:47 am |
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Never heard it, nor been there, but I see the Timber Topper was in the Hotel Washington. |
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Author: Craig_adams Friday, August 15, 2008 - 6:55 am |
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Jimbo: I left out The Washington Hotel intentionally because I wasn't sure there was a studio at 1129 S.W. Washington St. There was a question mark by the information. This info was most likely from you. I figured I'd be safer not mentioning it. If there was a studio at the hotel it would have been around 1959. Any Vancouver station with a Portland address could be a sales office only. I've been lead astray by this kind of info before, labeling sales offices as studios. |
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Author: Jimbo Friday, August 15, 2008 - 2:10 pm |
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I remember looking for it back in that timeframe. I went up there but the door was locked and shut. You may be correct that it was just a sales office so they could have some Portland "presence". |
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Author: Andy_brown Friday, August 15, 2008 - 2:40 pm |
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"I was young so I don't remember details of the location" |
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Author: Craig_adams Friday, August 15, 2008 - 5:21 pm |
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The KWJJ transmitter address was: 4350 N. Suttle Rd. |
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Author: Jimbo Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 4:17 am |
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Andy, |
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Author: Roger Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 7:06 am |
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Back to the original.... and some added filler |
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Author: Stevethedj Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 9:14 am |
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That little old lady isn't the first and sure won't be the last fleced "in the name of the lord" sad. I wonder if GOD cries, when he looks down upon this earth. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 9:58 pm |
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Today, I went by the KBMS site. The gate was open, and there was a faded sign on the fence that said "KBMS" and "Office Hours 10AM-4PM." I didn't have the guts to go down the driveway (would this be trespassing?), but since it was before 4:00 PM, maybe I should have. |
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Author: Newflyer Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 10:16 pm |
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One of their liners says "From Hazel Dell, Washington, to Beaverton, Oregon, nobody plays a greater variety of hits. 1480, KBMS." |
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Author: Alfredo_t Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 11:56 pm |
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I see: the KBPS-AM transmitter is in a fairly central location. Thus, KBMS is stuck being in the outskirts of town, forcing at least one part of town to have a marginal signal. |
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Author: E_dawg Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 3:34 pm |
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Should we get rid off 1480 format since there isn't that much *ethnic* group in Portland. I think they should flip from URBAN-AC to talk. What do you think? |
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Author: Roger Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 7:04 pm |
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URBAN TALK like Art McCoy on WTAM with Black on Black Crime....... |
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Author: Radiohustla Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 8:16 pm |
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i think uran talk will work in portland down with that format. |
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Author: Semoochie Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 11:10 pm |
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This is Semoochie(or someone similar)and I just thought I'd take this opportunity to hijack this thread: It occurred to me that today, I'm young and vibrant but in less than an hour, Madison Avenue will consider me old and set in my ways. I mentioned this to my wife, who reminded me that I was born "old and set in my ways"! Oh well, no use fighting it. Time to start listening to the "depends on us" station. Look, that joke worked so well last time, I thought I'd try it again! And still no comment about the new "Cripe Radio"! What a shameless plug for my birthday! |
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Author: Craig_adams Monday, August 18, 2008 - 12:11 am |
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Hey, Happy Birthday Semoochie! |
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Author: Stevethedj Monday, August 18, 2008 - 4:53 am |
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happy birthday semoochie...haven't seen you since our kkey days. hope your doing well. this next summer i will join the club too. |
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Author: Stevethedj Monday, August 18, 2008 - 7:44 am |
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linda also sends here birthday greetings. |
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Author: Roger Monday, August 18, 2008 - 9:22 am |
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here birthday greetings. |
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Author: Roger Monday, August 18, 2008 - 9:29 am |
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Urban talk in Portland, or uran talk. |
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Author: Semoochie Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:15 am |
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I knew your name sounded familiar! Unfortunately, I'm still not sure. I thought you were "Little Stephen" but if that's the case, you were just a kid. I went to your high school graduation with my wife. If that isn't you then who are you? |
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Author: Alfredo_t Monday, August 18, 2008 - 12:50 pm |
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Is the old-guy-sounding voice in the KBMS station IDs (such as "From North to South, East to West, we bring the best! 1480 KBMS") Mr. Bennett himself? |
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Author: Roger Monday, August 18, 2008 - 3:31 pm |
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What formats could get a larger listenership on the 1480 signal than what is currently on it? |
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Author: Chaplain Monday, August 18, 2008 - 3:41 pm |
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"i think uran talk will work in portland down with that format." |
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Author: Rongallagher Monday, August 18, 2008 - 6:47 pm |
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Besides, we already have urine talk in PDX. The "depends on us" station! |
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Author: E_dawg Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 5:26 pm |
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We should get rid of 1480 train wreck station. KBLX in San Francsico and WHUR in Washington DC sounds better than KBMS. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 7:34 pm |
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If somebody had bought 1480 ten years ago and flipped it to a Spanish format, I think that they would have enjoyed a few years of pretty good income. |
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Author: Radiohustla Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 10:24 pm |
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kbms is tax write off station chris bennet dont give fuck about it if he did he would put money in to it he need sale it to radio one or emmis maybe they put good format on there |
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Author: Semoochie Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 11:15 pm |
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Thank you for the birthday greetings! I see I survived another one. Years ago, I thought 1480 should appeal directly to the African-American community because their signal was basically limited to that core area. I think that time has passed and there aren't any other options. If something similar to their current format won't work then they should seriously consider going dark to help out another station that could do something with an improved coverage area. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 12:21 pm |
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Hypothetically speaking (of course), I wonder if the following scenario might be possible: the 1480 license is donated to KBPS. KBPS then turns in their license for 1450kHz and upgrades 1480 to 5 or 10kW directional. |
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Author: Alfredo_t Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 12:32 pm |
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Add: Here are some non-commercial format possibilities for 1480 if it were donated for a tax writeoff to somebody other than the KBPS foundation: |
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Author: Semoochie Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 3:19 pm |
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I like the idea but it would cost money that they don't have and aren't likely to ever be able to get back. Just protecting Salem and Longview and cutting off anything to the east would probably do the trick. |
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Author: Craig_adams Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 8:51 pm |
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R&R Reports: KVAN Under Debt Relief |
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