So my cousin who just moved into a new house 3 months ago, just found out today that they will be building a porn shop right down the street from him, not even a block away from his house.
He seems to be ok with it, and he has 3 little kids.

Now I will admit, I like porn, I do watch it BUT I don't think I would like to live near a porn store. I've heard horror stories of what REALLY goes on inside a porn store. Plus the type of people that hang around porn stores can be scary.

So here is my question, would you be ok if a porn store opened up within a few blocks from your house?? Would this be a big deal to you OR would you be horrified!
Comments?

Along related lines...a strip club is opening down in these parts in downtown Springfield and the locals are none too pleased about it, especially since it is located 125 feet from an alternative high school:

Springfield piles upheap of complaints against club owner


To answer your question...yeah I guess it would feel a little seedy/weird if a porn store or strip club were to open in my neighborhood...especially in the above instance where it is so close to a school.

I think a porn store is relatively harmless, as long as it's not one of those seedy kinds with booths for private videos, etc. A strip club is a different issue, because they will be serving alcohol and would undoubtedly cause more issues in the surrounding neighborhood.

Check out N. Ainsworth and N. Interstate. There is a grade school literally right across the street from an adult video store. The neighbors were pissed when it located there, but the ownership didn't care. The story was covered by the local media when the neighborhood association held meetings to protest the location. But again, supporters of the store (yes there were) made a stink about the Oregon Constitutions position on adult video stores and strip clubs – which is pretty liberal compared to most places in the country.

call your local police precinct ,and they will tell you Police calls to topless bars are signifincatly lower then calls to other local watering holes.Also if you do not want a Porn store in your neighborhood DONT frequent the place!!!if no one shows up they will close or move,saw the owner of fantasy adult video on "town hall" years ago he said the exact same words no customers and i am closed. everywhere he put one business is great

There's your free market in action right there.

Porn stores do not seem to be created equal. As someone else noted, there are the "sleazy" kind with booths, etc. and there are stores that are simply selling merchandise. It's not like the stores that go up in nice neighborhoods are being patronized only by perverts in raincoats. Porn is something like a $10Billion/year business. That means a lot of those nice people in your neighborhood must be customers, too.

Andrew

You would also think that with porn so easily accessible on the internet that we would see less and less store fronts.

It comes down to one thing folks. Owner's and the Management they choose! If the owner of the strip club or porn store care about there investment and employee's as a whole they will take all steps to insure that there business and customers are taken care of and that includes the security and safety of the said employees and customers. In turn this usually means that the surronding neighborhood also are safe and secure from that said business.

First off, What porn store doesn't have the "Booths"?? THEY ALL DO! Second, Porn shops bring out the Sleaze bags, which menas they would be hanging around my cousins neighborhood. Does he really want the "Dirtbags" hanging around close to his neighborhood. Now Im not saying that all people that frequent porn stores are dirt bags, because most are not, BUT what about the small 2% of their cunstomers that are dirt bags. What about Pedophilers, rapists, sex, adicts, meth heads. Don't you think those people frequent porn shops?? Infact I heard that the meth heads go into those "Booths" and cook their meth in those "booths."
Again, for the most part, most of the customers are normal every day people who frequent porn shops, Heck i ran into my Uncle at a "Fantasy" Adult store 10 years ago. (He was much more embarrassed than I was to be seen in an adult porn store) Its the small 2% of the customers I do Worry about.

You'd have the same worries if instead of a porn shop going in, a 7-11 or Plaid Pantry went in.

I think you can look at this from two different viewpoints. Of course, no one wants a porn store in their neighborhood. I'm a self admitted NIMBY, just like most if you. However, if the zoning (meaning commercial/retail/industrial) allows for it, then the onus is on YOU for buying a home and not knowing the zoning of the immediate area. I don't think adult businesses should be regulated any differently than if it were a retail clothes store.

I would think the owners of these businesses would take aggressive stands against some of the malarkey that comes with an adult video store. Let's not fool ourselves, with these sorts of businesses comes drugs and prostitution. And given that many operate on a 24/7 schedule, they draw all sorts of “interesting” folks. But again, I would think the owners of these businesses would do everything they can to minimize the illegal activities and work closely with police/sheriff's departments to keep unacceptable behavior to a minimum. Just the cost of doing this sort of business.

Much of that can be said of your Plaid Pantry too.

I disagree 100% Yes, Plaid Pantry/711 can have its share of Shady People, BUT Your going to get a lor more wackos in a porn shop than a plaid pantry! Plus if I had a kid and he was out riding his bike around, I would feel more comfortable with a Plaid Pantry than Nancy's Porn Palace in close distance.

I think that depends on the Plaid Pantry.

I think more wackos go to Plaid Pantry than porn stores.

That's been my experience.

As a recovering addict, I know firsthand that the drug trade in adult video stores in the Portland metro area was HUGE when I was in my active addiction. At one location I would visit, there was literally a line of people waiting to get into a booth to see the drug dealer. And I have plenty of others examples of this. Given the physical design of these places, they are great places to buy and sell illegal drugs out of plain view. And many of the employees were well aware of what was occurring -- in fact some participated in the behavior, paid off by drug dealers and drug users doing business in their establishments.

As for Plaid Pantry, I am not familiar with the drug trade at these locations but I would be very surprised if the volume of drugs bought and sold at Plaid Pantry locations is comparable to what was bought and sold in some of the places I visited.

I don't have an issue with adult video stores. If you like porn, that's fine – whatever floats your boat. But thank God I’m out of it because it’s a quick road to hell.

I don't really like either one near the house.

Once lived on a street where a new small market went in. Crime, trash, vandalism went up and stayed up right after the place opened.

Lots of losers walk or ride to these places, and many of them could care less about the way there.

Sure, drug deals go on inside the porn shops. They go on outside the poorly run markets too.

So, do you want to see the deal happening on the street, or in a closed building? I prefer the latter.

Then you see these places get purchased by somebody that then puts knives, drug devices, stars and other nice goodies right at the front counter. Soon after, the shady element arrives, bars go up on the windows and you've got a crap center selling to the lowest common denominator.

Saw this happen to a very nice little market, owned by years by an Asian couple that worked pretty hard to make their market nice and not attract the scum.

Once it was purchased, it was garbage and has stayed garbage.

I think a well run niche business like this makes the difference, porn or not. Both can be well managed and decent. Both can be scum attractors too.

All depends on the owner and what expectations they want to set.

I would move, and consider the zoning carefully, as well as the neighbors, their ages, some history of the neighborhood, who is involved, etc...

Vitalogy is spot on with that comment.

Also, some really great house deals are really great for a reason. That's one of the bigger reasons.

In the Salem area T-Zone the local headshop chain leases some of there buildings to the Adult Store chain. I think actually that putting these two "undesirable" shops next to each other is an even further deterent sp? to crime because A) They both share in the costs of hiring a nighttime security person, and B) Neither store wants any trouble with law enforcement or the community.

I would also agree with earlier statements in regards to a higher crime % outside of certain mini markets than a porn or headshop.

"You would also think that with porn so easily accessible on the internet that we would see less and less store fronts."

Internet sites are yet unable to replicate the "glory hole" found in brick and mortar sites.

Whats a "glory hole" you ask? I think I'll defer to an expert: Trixter?

And the "wonderful" thing about this country is, in order to explain to people what's going in where, it's free advertising for the business that's going in, whether it be Crazy Bob's XXX-Rated Whatever or Wal-Mart.
I myself don't have any use for porn, images on paper or a TV/computer screen are just that, images. Most of them look the same anyhow.
However, we're very "pornaphobic" in this country, and the kids out there that are pulled out of every sex ed class throughout school by their parents, who only tell them "children come from God," have probably already heard everything and then some from peers, media viewed/read at said peers' homes, and so on and so forth.
I lived across the street from a Plaid Pantry once. Never had any problems with that place.

Skeptical please explain what a "glory hole" is because Know I'm curious to what the heck you're talking about.
Is a glory hole where you go and watch porn clips in the booths?? I'm not sure what the attraction of that would be, considering you could watch the same smut clips in the comfort of your own home.

Justin, from wikipedia:

A glory hole (also spelled gloryhole and glory-hole) is a hole in a wall, or other partition, often between public lavatory stalls or video booths for people to engage in sexual activity or observe the person in the next cubicle while one or both parties masturbate. The partition maintains anonymity . . .

Its not limited to just males with males . . . sometimes it can be females (or dog!), or perhaps you'll see female genitla but only to be grabbed by the boyfriend's hand (or worse!) the point is that if you stick yours in a glory hole, you'll never know what you'll be getting!

Skep: TMI for me.

I have never set foot in any porn store or strip club in my life. Believe me I got an eye full just being the DJ at the Cattle Company in Beaverton and the Red Lion Inn in Kelso many moons ago.

This might scare Justin away from porn shops!

I didn't need the gloryhole information to keep me away. Those places scared me years ago.

I havent been in a porn shop in over 6 years. And after hearing about "glory holes" I don't think I will ever step foot in a porn shop again.


Unless.....Im drunk

Our first ammendment being reduced to all this...sad days in America...but still the greatest country on Earth...God Bless America!

God bless the first amendment. Without it, people like Broadway would do their best to regulate what you say, what you read, and what you watch.

Totally!

Broadway, your statement actually encourages reducing the amendment.

Self-expression just isn't sad! It might not be in good taste, depending on our tastes, but it's a healthy thing!

We need people to push the envelope on expression in general. This is the fuel that drives culture. Without it, we stagnate.

Here's the interesting part. Humans are kind of ugly creatures. We say stuff, we do stuff, we produce a lot of waste, we do stupid things and we fight with each other.

This is who we are.

Is it better to deny that, then fail to thrive and grow for our own self-inhibitions, or is it better to come to full on self-acceptance and grow from there eyes wide open?

Case in point: Sheltered kids. What's the first thing they do when they are able?

Of course, they rebel like no other!

During that time of great ignorance, they are far more likely to get themselves into serious trouble, or have self-issues once they are confronted with who people really are.

On the other hand, some healthy awareness of these things --and for that to happen, we must have expression capable of it, means still rebelling, but now it's more informed. It might still be low brow, bad form, etc... but it's more likely not to be dangerous.

Many of us here are guys. The truth is we are designed to seek out beautiful women, desire sex and other things. Why fight that, when it can be managed instead?

I'm not a huge porn consumer, probably because of this. I'm married and quite happy. Neither of us are prudes, so we can do those things we crave with few worries, and the result is very little need to go off and engage in debauchery apart from one another.

I know plenty of people where this is just not the case. They end up in the porn shop to deal with desires considered bad form, uncouth, dirty, etc... away from their peers, and that's a lot like just living a lie.

Just lots of ways to look at this stuff, and few of them are really sad --just different.

Had sex before marriage, for example. How can seeking a mate be a dirty, sinful thing? It just isn't. Perhaps had I entertained the more "clean" norms, I might have ended up with someone that does not fit well.

Know people that went that route and either spend a lot of counsilling, divorice, or take lots of retreats --retreats from what? Their life, that's what!

All of us need the freedom to be who we are. From there, we can reach acceptance of that, then we can build on that to become better / different. When we take this path, it's a just and true one.

On the other hand, if we do not have this freedom, we may well not self-identify well, or having self-identified, be forced / encouraged to fear / loathe that person, living as actors instead.

That's hell on earth, if you ask me.

The first amendment is about this, as much as it is about keeping the people safe from government and other lofty things we recognize about it.

The real beauty of this is that we do have choices. One can move, live as they like, express themselves as they like, and live as they are, not who others would prefer they be.

I would shoot myself is Broadway was my neighbor!

Broadway needs to spend a few days in Iran and he'll soon back off some of his ideals.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Just have a huge problem of saying the founding fathers would ok pornography here. So you think they were thinking about naked people when they wrote "abridging of the press"...good grief.

Beware when you say you it's bad for children but ok for adults.

Porn is an abomination to society.

Broadway, when is the last time you masterbated?

You are a retard Broadway. Go preach somewhere else because nobody wants to hear it.

People who come on this board and preach religion is an abomination to society!

(snickering guffawing at CJ)

I'll donate sonme of the stuff that I won at a bachelorette party last night to Broadway, he needs it more than I do!

However, I'm keeping the Penis Pinata! It was gynormously huge and fully loaded with good stuff, and super hard...

...to bust!

(Idea!)

Hey, Broadway: If we do 'much sexy talk' to you, will you leave?

Broadway is not a retard. And I DO want to hear it. But I think it's reasonable to explore " WHY? " sometimes.

Other times I care less.

Depends on the day, I guess.

!!!

We are such heathens!

Maybe they will sell houses in Disneyland?

Seriously, if you have a problem with porn, well --don't go looking at the damn porn!

Laughing huge at Mrs_M. You are beautiful you know. Just gorgous.

Cj says "Broadway, when is the last time you masterbated?"

My guess is yesterday!

Talpdx,
Just curious, are you a recovering porn addict or a recovering drug addict, Or Both?
Hope you don't mind me asking. I had a friend who was addicted to both, he had to get his "High" from looking at porn on the internet and dong drugs.
I wonder if they have AA meetings that are porn specific. Where do porn addicts go if they are addicted to porn?

LOL -- just the drugs. I went to these places because drugs were easily accessible. Porn was an afterthought.

As for porn in general, it doesn't do much for me. I like the real deal.

There are meetings in Portland for people with addictions to internet sex and other sexual hang-ups but I'm not familiar with them.

"dong drugs"?

(Sorry, I know it's a serious topic, but I had to laugh)

Also, someone (HerrB?) please explain to Broadway that "masterbated" isn't the same thing as putting worms on a hook.

CJ meant "masturbated". I'm not sure if it's addressed in your bible, Broadway, so you may need to actually fondle and open another book, if you own one.

No, you won't go blind. Trust me.

LMAO! Dong Drugs, I like the sound of that.
Don't you hate it when you spell masturbated wrong.

Yes. I spelled it wrong. I admit it. It's not like I can count on the spell checker here to be accurate - although it did alert me. ( It is also telling me that " spelled " is wrong. I rest my case ) So I did what I always do; Put the word in the Google toolbar ( because I WANTED to spell it with a " u " ) and see what kind of hits I get. It gave me enough websites to make me think I was right.

I was wrong. Damned Home Schooling!

It could have been worse. I could have been talking about my Analrapist, Tobias Funke, author of " The Man Inside Me."

Thought I would let the dust settle a bit on this thread before I would pipe in again.

The most recent comments prove my point.

Porn has no social redeeming value and demeans all society...especially children as a concern noted by the start of this thread. I have been happily married for over 31 years with 2 compliant children and 1 not so compliant 1 year old grandson(he'll get better!)...and an employee of radio broadcasting since high school...I am very blessed without the stuff.
Just avoid it at all times.

"The most recent comments prove my point."

Exactly which ones were those?

One man's trash is another man's treasure, so keep you hands off of my porn!

I would like to respond to Broadways last post, but I'm afraid if I do, Dan would probably kick me off PDXRadio.com, So I will say nothing.

Porn has no social redeeming value and demeans all society...especially children as a concern noted by the start of this thread. I have been happily married for over 31 years with 2 compliant children and 1 not so compliant 1 year old grandson(he'll get better!)...and an employee of radio broadcasting since high school...I am very blessed without the stuff.
Just avoid it at all times.

The most successful people I know watch porn and it hasn't caused any problems in their lives. So where is the problem? With you?

Let me say from the outset -- I have no issues with someone renting or owning adult pornography. If you feel it'll enhance your sex life, go for it. I do worry though about someone getting sucked into the world of internet pornography. It kind of reminds me of internet gambling. Once a person gets the itch, they can't stop. And from what I hear and read, it can become a very expensive obsession. I can’t imagine being the spouse of someone or a high school or college kid with this sort of addiction. Not pleasant I’m sure.

>>The most successful people I know watch porn and it hasn't caused any problems

I bet they could be more successful without it or they have other personal problems you don't know about that will eventually rise to the surface.

>>"The most recent comments prove my point."
Exactly which ones were those?

From this post forward...

Author: Chickenjuggler
Monday, July 07, 2008 - 4:08 pm

And it proves that porn debasses/demeans people.
I have never had comments/questions from anyone in my life like many posted here.

People have hang up of all types, including porn. That doesn't mean they're bad people. That's silly. Do I think the porn industry can be exploitive? Yes. Most actors in the porn biz make very little money and many are desperate people. I read an excellent article in Vanity Fair about 12 years ago on the subject and it didn't paint a very flattering picture of the business. And this was before internet porn came into vogue. It isn't a vehicle for wealth as it relates to the models, unless you're a star of some sort or a producer.

But I can think of other hang-ups, including religion. People can become obsessed with it to the point it rules their lives in a very unhealthy way. Balance is important, be it with porn or religion.

You can't even quote somebody asking when you last masturbated?

Good grief. It's a pretty basic question. Nothing demeaning about it. Either one does it, does not, and if they did, they had a last time they did it.

End of story.

And I don't know ANYBODY that doesn't.

Welcome to the real world, where people actually talk about stuff Broadway.

Everyone masturbates including Broadway. There is not a man who walks on this earth who has NEVER MASTURBATED! If a man like Broadway tells you he has nver masturbated, than he is full of shit!
Masturbating is completely normal, and healthy. Infact I would think its not normal to never masturbate or never think about sex, THAT IS NOT NORMAL BROADWAY!

Maybe if evangelicals talked openly and honestly about sex, they wouldn't have evangelical sex scandals. Their self proclaimed leaders seems to find themselves in all sorts of sexually inappropriate dalliances from time to time. Had they masturbated instead of memorized Bible verses, maybe they would have healthy sexual relationships and treat their spouses with respect.

I am masterbating right now and am also memorizing bible verses ,and watching Denise Richards and Neve Campbell in the pool scene from "wild things" ,while i drink white russians., What a great Afternoon!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoa! Now that's multi-tasking!!!

Amen, Brother!

all the while wondering where is my rug!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its on your head Thedude remember, YOU HAVE A HAIR PIECE!

"I could be just sitting at home with pee stains on my rug."

"I read an excellent article in Vanity Fair about 12 years ago on the subject and it didn't paint a very flattering picture of the [porno] business."

I wonder what kind "flattering" article a look into the "God" business would be like.

(Can you say RIP OFF????!!!! God is a Supreme Being. He has no use for cash. A relationship with God is FREE!!!! The 'money for God' thing is Man's work, not God's. Keep your pocketbook closed.)

Are we talking about Rugs or hair pieces?