Here it comes. You guys are going to get your wish. It's starting. The government having more information about you than ever and Obomba's involved.

http://blog.heritage.org/2008/06/09/obama-among-supporters-of-national-fingerpri nt-registry/

Can anyone answer how a fingerprint system of loan originators will ensure some kind of safety for consumers?

There are already background checks required for anyone that is wishing to become licensed. What is a fingerprint database going to show or guard against?

And how could this be abused?

Pick a question. Any question.

I truly don't think we have anybody watching out for us. I too can't figure out of what usefulness this is.

Bad call, IMHO.

So, we should vote for McCain then?

Even if I took this out to the furthest I could imagine, I don't understand how it could be used OR abused. I mean, fingerprints are only checkable against a database of people who have supplied them. So what would they actually DO with my fingerprints once they have them? Look to see if I am a felon? Is that it? They already know that. There is already a system in place. Are they really going to use a cumbersome, probably expensive and often faulty system of checking my fingerprints in a computerized system?

Ridiculous.

I must be missing something really obvious.

This just smacks of " We are going to protect you." But once again, it's just the appearance of protection and it's only the appearance of a threat. Is it really mortgage brokers that are some kind of threat to something? And how does having a fingerprint check stave that threat off?

Honestly, I'd love for someone to explain this one to me.

And I'd still like to hear how something like this ( The Big Brother argument ) could be abused. Just plainly. How could this be used against me? The Government has my fingerprints. OK. So now how am I at risk of being....what?...I don't even know what I am at risk for by them having my fingerprints.

Well, go and ask the German Statesman, who advocated for this kind of thing, and ended up with his own finger print widely published for all to abuse.

There is the fairly long running standard we have for people, who hold positions of authority or power, to be finger printed. Is originating a loan being in a position of authority and or power?

I see a case for those, but not too big of one. The real checks lie farther up the chain.

Will having a finger print on file prevent Bob the shady loan guy from being shady? Probably not, making this security theater more than anything.

It could be abused, as in somebody knows you do loans, lifts your print, then does something nasty, leaving you with the house call to sort things out.

BTW: If you think this sucks, let the Obama campaign know. Now is the time for that. I think I just might, after we see where this thread goes.

So, we should vote for McCain then?

F that! If this is the turning point then McSAME calling his wife a CUN# should negate him 100%!

" Well, go and ask the German Statesman, who advocated for this kind of thing, and ended up with his own finger print widely published for all to abuse."

I feel kind of stupid for asking this, but I do not know to whom you are referring when you say " German Statesman." Is it a particular case study that happened once?

His fingerprint was published for all to abuse.

But HOW? HOW was it abused? How could someone take my fingerprint and do ANYthing with it? Or even the Government. How would they abuse my fingerprint? Plant evidence? Seriously, HOW?

How would they abuse my fingerprint? Plant evidence? Seriously, HOW?

CJ...
DJ is grasping at straws for ANYTHING.... They (RADICAL EXTREMISTS REICH) have NOTHING except for a 72 yr old wrinkled prune for a candidate and it's got them on the offensive.

Well he doesn't want it either. ( At least, that's how I read it ) But I don't see what anyone could do with my fingerprint. It's not like I can't get about 50 of them a day.

Yeah, that was a recent case where an activist group published a high officials finger print, in a format and on media that could easily fool the proposed state biometric readers.

(he's fucked, in that nobody can ever know it was him that authenticated the system)

There is no revoking personal biometrics, short of disfigurement or amputation. Using them is a bad idea for that reason.

In the case of your finger print, people could put them on checks they cash, stolen from your mail box, commit crimes leaving yours at the scene maybe?

Right now, I don't think the potential for abuse is high, in this case. However, if we continue down this path, we really are surrendering anonymonity and privacy for the perception of greater security.

I don't think fingerprinting loan people is going to materially impact our overall security, so it's just show. There are lots of foolish decisions like this being made, and a lot of data collected, that falls in the same not any more secure hole.

First of all, Deane, you look like an idiot (again) for using "Obomba" as his name. What are you, 12 years old?

Secondly, you cite a super conservative website, as usual. Have we seen this story in a legitimate media source?

You're really looking desparate, and it's so early. You're going to burn out before the conventions.

The Heritage Foundation -- now that's what I call an objective source. It's about as objective as Newsmax.com and FOX News.

Fox News...just the most viewed cable/satellite network.

What would be a credible conservative news outlet?

I don't know that there are that many right now, left or right.

There is a very big corporate bias in the traditional media sources. Lots of stuff is just getting ignored, edited, manupulated.

"First of all, Deane, you look like an idiot (again) for using "Obomba" as his name. What are you, 12 years old?"

I'm trying to communicate with Trixter. You lefties have been calling Republicans names for months now. I decided you needed to see what it was like to get some back. I plan to continue.

Besides, anyone who isn't a socialist is an idiot in your view.


"Secondly, you cite a super conservative website, as usual. Have we seen this story in a legitimate media source?"

Google the following and take your pick of sources:

"national fingerprint legislation"

I know facts are scary for you, but it's happening.

Broadway, in the broad scheme of things, a scintilla of the US population watches FOX News. It's barely a smidge of the television viewing public.

A legitimate conservative publication -- perhaps "The Economist".

Facts aren't scary. People who try and use a bit of information to scare others are scary.

This appears to be pretty non-impacting, unless you are in the mortgage industry, which has been submitting to these type of things for years.

Not a big deal. And, co-sponsored by a Republican.

Bet you a dollar, it's on the McCain comment troll action club list.

Deane, I will agree to not use goofy names for McCain if you do the same for Obama.

"Deane, I will agree to not use goofy names for McCain if you do the same for Obama."

It has to be universal across all forum members, then I'll agree.

Fuck that.

Then no complaining.

I have a better idea. How about not listening to the people who use goofy names for people who are not "their" candidates or on "their" side of the debate? I think that this would improve the quality of the discussion greatly.

Hey, I'm perfectly happy with using plain old language for McCain.

Let's see:

old, stumbler, bumbler, inconsistent, suck up, owned, corporate, Republican (heh, that one sucks doesn't it?), plain, boring, slow, false, etc...

I completely reserve the right to complain too.

McSame refers to him being basically a Bush third term. Hey, this is fairly well substantiated.

Obomba isn't substantiated. Nobody here has demonstrated that we are in danger by electing him. It's a fear monger tactic that has no support behind it.

Most all of the McCain stuff I just wrote has support!

That's the difference.

Both are cheap shots and somewhat juvenile. No question on that. The McCain characterizations do however have solid support for them.

Given just how horrible the Republicans have been at governing, the huge amount of corruption, cronyism, lies, theft, you name it, I see very little reason to defer to supporters on any of this stuff.

By comparison, there is little to nothing on Obama, which puts the name calling comparisons on different levels.

If you are gonna do this, just support it and all is good.

With the Republicans, Bush, McCain, et al. that support exists over a sustained period of time.

That is not currently the case for Obama and many Democrats --and specifically, not there for the party in general.

McBush and McSame are here to stay.

So have we determined that fingerprinting mortgage brokers will not do a single thing on any level?

If so, then I need to call Obama and tell him. I have his direct line.