Mystery 104.5

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Author: Alfredo_t
Monday, June 09, 2008 - 9:31 pm
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Around 7:30 PM today, I heard a news broadcaster on 104.5, narrated by a man with a British sounding accent. The station broadcast in mono. For the entire time that I was listening, a story was running about the economy of Brazil. As I approached the Sylvan hills, the signal was wiped out by intermod, and when I got far enough away for the interference to disappear, the mystery 104.5 was also gone.

What was I hearing? A search of radio-locator does not show any stations or translators within a 300 mile radius that would be likely to carry BBC World Service or any other long-form newscasts.

Author: Craig_adams
Monday, June 09, 2008 - 10:38 pm
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KOPB-FM skip. You were close to the transmitter site.

Author: Dberichon
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 5:51 am
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Speaking of mystery signals, there's a pirate up in my neck of the woods that's carrying a stereo feed of WCBS-FM from NY!

Imagine my surprise on the way home from work last night to hear WCBS jingles and news updates!

Author: Alfredo_t
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 9:33 am
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My first suspicion was that the 104.5 could somehow be television audio. I quickly dismissed that because the signal was just as loud as other FM broadcast signals. I didn't think to check 91.5 to see if it was running the same program. Since I suspect that this could be a pirate (or an overpowered "Part 15" station), I'm keeping the exact location vague. If some guy is rebroadcasting BBC World service for himself and a few of his neighbors, I don't want to get that guy in trouble.

Author: Jr_tech
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 10:23 am
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Could have been some ducting from Canada, perhaps. Last Monday afternoon, while monitoring KQAC 88.1 (Gleneden Beach), I was treated to about 20 minutes of good solid jazz, and a pledge drive from K-jazz (KKJZ) from Long Beach California. Stable long-haul conditions can exist this time of year...it sounded like a local! Good first DX catch for a Sony XDR-F1HD that had just arrived hours before.

Author: Broadway
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 10:35 am
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>>KQAC 88.1 (Gleneden Beach)

In Salem I am now picking them up over the 88.1 in Lebanon.

Author: Alfredo_t
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 10:38 am
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CBC Radio 1 stations broadcast in mono, so that is a definite possibility.

Author: Kkb
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 11:35 am
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heres one for you....KQEN - am 1240 in Roseburg got a fax this morning from someone who picked us up in Virginia while driving to work this morning.....loud and clear....all 5 lites on his radio lit up.....sounded like a local station....quite the "skip"

Author: Semoochie
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 12:05 pm
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It IS a local station! :-) No kidding, that's amazing! I didn't think that would happen on a graveyard frequency.

Author: Alfredo_t
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 12:15 pm
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No kidding! That's one kilowatt that went a LOOOOOONG way.

Author: Kkb
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 2:48 pm
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We are flying a rep out to sell ads....(!)

Author: Alfredo_t
Monday, June 16, 2008 - 11:47 pm
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The plot thickens on the mystery 104.5. Today, I went to the part of town where I last heard this station (I do volunteer work on Mondays in that area). I got out there around 6:15 PM, and I heard a dead carrier on 104.5. The next time that I listened was on the way home, shortly after 9:00 PM. I heard PBS television audio, with "American Experience." The modulation levels seemed low this time.

The next time that I'm over there, I need to take one or more extra radios in order to try to eliminate the possibility that I'm hearing channel 10 audio due, for instance, to a harmonic of the local oscillator in my car radio.

Author: Jr_tech
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 10:36 am
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So it is not a rare skip or ducting (you heard it again in the same place), not a real pirate (risking discovery broadcasting dead air rather than turning off the transmitter when programming is finished), I don't think it is channel 10 (they usually don't broadcast dead air)... Perhaps somebody with a powerful set of cordless headphones tied to their stereo?
Do you hear Mix 104.5 The Dalles while driving around?

Author: Alfredo_t
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 1:51 pm
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I did hear the mystery station fighting with a music station that might have been Mix 104.5. I didn't hear any IDs from the music station in the brief time I was listening. On the off chance that it is a pirate or a "neighborhood" station, it must be running very low power, likely 1 watt or less because I could only hear it for about 1 1/2 miles or so. I only heard the dead air for about 5 minutes or so, so is possible that whatever program source they were playing (Internet stream? mp3s? CD?) died for some reason.

Some weeks ago, while visiting Colorado, a former college classmate demonstrated for me how far a 10 mW FM broadcast band signal could be heard, if one is willing to put up with a very weak signal. This is why I could easily picture a 0.5-1W transmitter, like those that Ramsey sells, being the source of the mystery 104.5 MHz signal.

Author: Craig_adams
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 4:54 pm
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Check out KOPB-TV's Broadcast Auxiliary listing at the bottom of the page.

http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/fmq.php?call=KOPB-TV&city=&state=&country=US

Author: Monkeyboy
Monday, June 23, 2008 - 4:52 pm
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"This is why I could easily picture a 0.5-1W transmitter, like those that Ramsey sells, being the source of the mystery 104.5 MHz signal."

There are several people that I know about in Portland with those,or similar small kits.
I've got one myself. (I'm not on 104.5 though.)

The Belmont/Hawthorne area seemed to be a sort of "hot spot" a year or two ago.I'd drive around and hear several different signals.

Author: Alfredo_t
Monday, June 23, 2008 - 11:50 pm
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On Saturday afternoon, I did a little more hunting around. The mystery station was only transmitting a very faint whine at this time. I brought a Radio Shack DX-390, which has a 7-bar signal strength meter.

In the first location that I tried getting out of the car and walking around with the DX-390, all that I could hear on 104.5 was interference from local stations overloading the radio.

I drove about 1/4 mile down the road, where the 104.5 signal sounded a little more solid on the car radio. I got out and walked around. In this location, multipath caused the signal strength display to go all the way to 7 bars if I stood in the right place. If I walked into a place where the signal cancelled, the interference took over.

I then drove to a point about 1 mile away. On this drive, I noticed that the signal became more stable, and I also noticed that I was near a school campus. Aha--this must be a campus station, I thought. However, as I reached the campus, the signal started getting weaker, and there was more multipath. A walk-around with the DX-390 showed that the signal went from 7 bars to being buried in noise, depending on where I stood. My best guess is that the transmitter is located in a residence somewhere between points #2 and #3 in my little hunt.

This evening, I picked up 104.5 again, but there was no audio, just a faint whine.

Author: Alfredo_t
Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 7:02 pm
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Tuesday evening, I heard programming once again on the mystery 104.5 station. The first time that I tuned in, around 6:30 PM, Blues music was playing. It sounded like the program source was segueing out of some of the songs halfway through the song. Thus, this program source is something a bit more sophisticated than a CD changer. The second time I tuned in was around 8:30 PM. What was now playing sounded like the audio of some documentary TV show. The first segment was on a luxury hotel; the second was about the Stanley Steamer; the final one that I heard before losing the signal was about the Grand Canyon park. I took a different route this time, and I was able to get the signal for a few miles, with spotty reception. I suspect that the transmitter power is approximately 1-5 Watts, with the antenna at a fairly low elevation.

Author: Craig_adams
Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 7:47 pm
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It's gotta be a TV station audio.

Author: Notalent
Thursday, July 10, 2008 - 8:25 pm
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Sounds like someone has an FM modulator hooked up to their home PC... Maybe they live high on a hill... maybe they have broadband and watch streaming video... then play some tunes they happen to like.. all intended to be picked up on their home stereo... or around their neighborhood.

I tried one of these and it went about a block around my place with no special antenna setup.


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