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should have held the concession until the convention... back room politics DNC put the pressure on... HATE the cloak and dagger stuff...

Also, if she was good enough to vote for in the primaries, why wouldn't ALL of her supporters write her in in November?

Why vote for your second choice?

For debate, with all things now known, If there were to be a national primary in two weeks with all states voting at the same time, do you think Mrs. C would draw more votes or less than she totalled. I would think more just for the fact that the caucus states would have a bigger turn out..... Not sure the current system is best way to choose a candidate. We all like to back a winner so the early bird gets the cash fix and some of the candidates drop out too early to get their message out and fine tune it....

Plenty of people think McCain and Obama are ideal Candidates for their parties........

Others think these are not the best we could have come up with...........

Question if race is not an issue, and we are past that, we are all just people, then there is no need to refer to Obama as the FIRST black candidate. As soon as the term "FIRST" afro american, black..... is used, doesn't that denote "separate but equal?" didn't the civil rights movement fight like hell to get rid of that way of thinking? Then why promote it?

Democrat vs Republican ought to suffice, Not black guy vs war hero, not young vs old......

Just democratic nominee with this position vs republican nominee with this position.......

BTW referring to McCain as running for BOOSHes third term is a cheap shot. I can't agree that Big Mac is a Boosh puppet......

Mac and Bam Bam are definitely on different sides of the fence.... just stick to those points please... Both of y'all!!!

Its a scare tactic. Trying to trick the voters into thinking it would be a third Bush term cause you fear that your guy can not win on his own merit.

No.

He can't win on his own merit. That's a given. If McCain wins, it will be through manupulation, lies and fear being exploited to get people to vote against their own interests.

Nobody has anything significant on Obama. By comparison, McCain has demonstrated he will go where Bush did, 90 percent of the time. Can't hide from the public record, only lie and manupulate about it.

BTW: Clinton did a great job today. The party will be strong and will benefit from Obama showing how to leverage people powered politics.

Looking forward to watching it all happen. We need the change of the guard to happen.

McCain will be a third term of Bush.

-Same war policy
-Same warrantless wiretaps
-Same economic policy
-Same conservative judges

There's very little that Bush and McCain disagree on, which is why Bush has endorsed McCain and is doing all he can to get him elected.

It's not fear, it's reality.

I can't see how you wouldn't find a McCain presidency anything sort of a 3rd George W. Bush term. From his continued support of the war in Iraq, to warrantless wiretaps to the Bush billionaire stimulus package, it’s all vintage George W. Bush. Republicans have nothing of merit to call a success of late, so they go back to their original playbook, trotting out tax cuts for the wealthy, continued support for the failed war in Iraq and radically conservative judiciary. I honestly can’t think of anything new or original Senator McCain has proposed since becoming the presumptive GOP presidential nominee. In order to placate the most vociferous members of his party, Senator McCain’s got to run on the same old issues which in the past worked. These folks are his bread and butter.

Senator Obama would be full hearty not to point out the similarities between President Bush’s and Senator McCain’s position on the issues. George W. Bush has an approval rating of 25 percent, why not exploit it?

Senator Obama would be full hearty not to point out the similarities between President Bush’s and Senator McCain’s position on the issues. George W. Bush has an approval rating of 25 percent, why not exploit it?

Wait till they go one on one in a debate. The punches are going to come out of nowhere and old man McSame is goin' down....

Yep. Did you catch McCain wanting a long series of town hall, unmoderated meetings with Obama?

He's wanting to get to the big crowds on Obama's dime.

John McCain probably gets more protesters at his events than he does supporters.

agreed on a change, but I fear such a drastic shift will be the same as somebody making a right turn in the middle of Daytona, looking at the same kind of pileup if we turn too sharp too fast. wouldn't the political scene be more interesting if Obama had to deliver his message at the Republican convention and McCain to the
Dems? Neither fellow has convinced me.......

As to Iraq.... as much as I would love to pull the plug and come home... who fills the vacuum? the U.N.? Iran? How about Afghanistan? Do you move everyone there for a final push for Bin Loaded? Say screw it and pull out? Hell, I'm all for dismantling the whole Homeland security thing as well. Passport to Canada, can't accompany wife to plane, WW II vets doing the shoe inspection as they head for their free flight to visit the memorial..... What Bullshit did we get pushed into, and if you can tell me Obama or McCain will make it all better then I'm onboard, otherwise I think either way we will not be better off than before the BOOSHman. I want a candidate to solve our problems THEN tackle the world......boosh did neither, and frankly we're tapped out........

Roger writes:

Also, if she was good enough to vote for in the primaries, why wouldn't ALL of her supporters write her in in November?

Why vote for your second choice?

Let's see all the Republicans do the same and you'll see Obama and Clinton coming in #1 and #2 in November. McCain was already everyone's second choice. Think the Romney and Huckabee donors got refunds?

(Of course, if everyone wrote in their favorite candidate, no candidate would get 270 electoral votes and the election would go to the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives, which is unlikely to pick a Republican president.)

Andrew

but I get the satisfaction of voting my convictions. Some will get satisfaction in "picking the winner" like a horse race, and for others you don't even have to put the candidates name on the ballot:

President..........D
..........R
Senator ..........D
..........R

Congress ......D
1st district ......R

Judge ..........D
..........R
..........pick 'em

More Taxes.........Yes
.........No

Random LEVY........Yes
........No


....."if everyone wrote in their favorite candidate"........

Wow wouldn't that open some eyes and do more to
change things than just using the word in a campaign slogan.....

I tend to look at my voting as a strategy. If there are three candidates, one which I really really like, one which I despise, and one which I'm okay with but maybe not ideal. If the one I really really like has no chance of winning, I will vote for the one that has the best chance of beating the person I despise. Voting my convictions by supporting a sure loser while giving the person I despise a vote by not voting against them, well, that's just fucking your self. I want my vote to carry the most power possible.

And then there is primary politics. This is a significant new development, enabled via the Internet.

Today, it's possible to unseat somebody with a primary challenger far easier than it used to be.

We are gonna be stuck with a two party system for a while yet. That means either not participating, or settling for a party, or changing one!

This is exactly what happened to the Republican party. It took them 20-30 years to reach their peak of change.

The next changes will be a factor shorter, say 5 years!

This is happening now in the Democratic party, with the progressive movement rapidly taking over and booting the older school Democrats. Obama, should he get elected will represent that movement taking it to the top and getting their change done.

That's about 10 years or so effort, and the path shown.

So, it's not hopeless at all Roger. They just want you to think it is.

We can vote out assholes. We can do it easier and quicker today than ever possible before.

I think the new wave dems are more liberal than their bretheren..... too far to either side scares me..........

Meanwhile the reps tossed aside fiscal responsibility and blew up their party in the process, with nothing to show for it

So I'm skeptical about the proposed change.

I'm not hearing rebuild economy, I'm hearing I have to be a good world citizen and do with less.

Well, I've used less for quite some time, I really don't want to pay more for the privilege just to bring those who were so greedy down a notch.

The truth is simply this – the economies of the world are growing and the resources that fuel this growth are becoming more precious and expensive. We are competing with economies that can do more for less and that leaves us in a bit of pickle. This means creating an economy less industrial and more technical. This also means transitioning our workforce with lifelong learning. As well, we need to work with industry to invest in finding new and innovative ways to compete globally. This is going to mean business and government working more closely together to educate the workforce and more fairly compete in the international marketplace.

For decades, we’ve been the envy of the industrialized world. It’s time we step it up and truly reinvent the corporation. Part of that is looking beyond oil. Companies which have been dependent on inexpensive energy sources need to seek alternatives. I know that might sound harsh, but we’re in the midst of a changing economy and oil is used in copious amounts in places where it was once used sparsely.

As for the liberal/conservative thing; well, in 1980, the conservatives took the reins of government and helped reshape the way we look at government, taxation, unions, and the role of the judiciary. It might be time for the liberals to have their turn. Whether modern liberals are themselves too liberal remains to be seen. But I think it’s time to fix much of what conservatives neglected to fix. That is a long term fix to Social Security, Medicare, federal aviation system and the Defense Department among others. The Republicans claimed that lowering taxes would create explosive growth in the economy. Well, the economy has fared well over all for a pretty long period of time. However, we’ve neglected to invest in critical areas of our nation’s infrastructure which have failed to keep up with the growth of the nation. Plus our population is graying and things are getting more and more expensive.

We’re at a point where we seriously need to lay out a long term plan for this country. From health care, to helping the our economy further transition from domestic to international in scope, to absorbing the costs associated with an aging population, much needs to be addressed, and soon.

I'm all for education......

I have a serious problem with people graduating buried in debt. If education is so important long term, then states ought to devote a goodly portion to ensure low cost in state tuition. Want to go to an out of state college, or private school? Fine, but THEN you pay the bill.

Maybe consideration to raise the upper bracket tax rates, but the lower rungs have paid and there isn't anymore. The under 50k a year crowd will find it hard to pay tuition, the new hybrid car payment, the solar upgrades and add on the room for a frail parent because the nursing home is out of reach financially.....

If there is no place in the new world order for these people, then figure a way to remove 2+ billion people from the planet. Think of it as trimming excess and unnecessary global expenses.
A corporate downsizing on a global scale.

Dear World citizen,

Due to recent economic dynamics, we regret to inform you that your services are not required at this time, and you have been selected for permanent removal from this world. Please understand that we did not make this decision hastily. Thank you for your dedication and services.

Please take this letter and report to the Excess Human Services Reclaimation Center in your district within 24 hours for final disposal.

Thank you for being an important part of NEW WORLD ORDER L.L.C. a Division of GLOBAL ECOSYS G.M.B.H.

"It's people. Soylent Green is made out of people. They're making our food out of people. Next thing they'll be breeding us like cattle for food. You've gotta tell them. You've gotta tell them!"

I'll have the Edward G. Robinson burger, cheese tomato and mayo please.



Do we really do a great thing when we send aid to starving masses, so that they can return to a barely survivable existence, or do we do it because it makes US feel good? does the guvmint of Burma (screw that Myanmar crap) give a toot about it's people?
Why not?
What are we gonna do about it?
Why not?

..."which is why Bush has endorsed McCain and is doing all he can to get him elected"....

And I thought it was a party thang.....

Maybe BOOSH ought to go all out for Obama if he really wants Mac in there.

Hell I was hoping for a Hillary win so BOOSH could campaign for her....

Georgie sez..... "keep that BOOSH/CLINTON thing going. vote for my friend Hillary"