It'll probably just be another exercise in futility, but the more information like this makes it into the media the more the rest of the 23% will finally admit we were misled into an unnecessary invasion of Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080605/pl_nm/iraq_usa_intelligence_dc

"The president and his advisors undertook a relentless public campaign in the aftermath of the (September 11) attacks to use the war against al Qaeda as a justification for overthrowing Saddam Hussein," Rockefeller said in written commentary on the report.

"Representing to the American people that the two had an operational partnership and posed a single, indistinguishable threat was fundamentally misleading and led the nation to war on false premises."

A statement to Congress by then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld that the Iraqi government hid weapons of mass destruction in facilities underground was not backed up by intelligence information, the report said. Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon said Rumsfeld's comments should be investigated further, but he stopped short of urging a criminal probe.

The committee voted 10-5 to approve the report, with two Republican lawmakers supporting it. Sen. Christopher Bond of Missouri and three other Republican panel members denounced the study in an attached dissent.

Bookemdono, this is only the beginning of the crap you will gobble up. That's what it's intended for, gullible people like you who hears what they want and believes what they want to.

After the election, when the Dumocrats have clear control Congress and Obomba is in the White House, you will see massive amounts of time and money spent on political hammering of Bush, instead of getting on with the country's business.

Remember this post.

Yep. You will see that hammering. It will be awesome. We will learn lessons from talking about it out loud. And it can be done while getting on with the country's business too. We can do both.

I have already forgotten your post.

Are you saying we were NOT misled going into Iraq?

Or are you saying it's history, get over it?

The latter. But admitting that would mean that " someone may get the best of Deane. And nobody does that - although many have tried." So admitting that is part of history is best ignored.

Besides, Deane has never actually said he was sorry. So until he does, he gets to hear all the griping that we want to dish out.

Suck it up, big boy. Take your lumps.

Yep. We all are accountable for our actions.

The Republicans are gonna get hammered HUGE for what they have done. Remember too, the Republicans rubber stamped, and are still trying to rubber stamp, this crap through.

All of them, accomplices. Deserve every lick for selling our future and killing our kids.

Bastards.

...and if you still support it all, then that applies to you, right now, here, today.

Deane, the gullible people are the ones that bought Bush's bullshit, hook, line, and sinker. Hint, you're one of them.

"Bookemdono, this is only the beginning of the crap you will gobble up."

If its more evidence demonstrating we were duped and changing the opinion of even more of the 23%'ers then all I can say is "mmmm...it tastes delicious."

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should have been impeached by the US House and found guilty in the US Senate for high crimes and misdemeanors and removed from office. If having sex and then lying about it warranted Clinton’s impeachment, then lying repeatedly to the American people about the need for war coupled with the senseless killing of thousands of US troops and Iraqi citizens should warrant the harshest punishment possible. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should both be rotting away in Leavenworth, Kansas.

When the Democrats do have control of both the executive and the US Congress, it will be interesting to see just how much money Dick Cheney’s former employer Halliburton has fleeced from the American taxpayer. If Harry S Truman was able to investigate war profiteers as a member of the US Senate during World War 2, then why shouldn’t members of the next US Congress do the same? I mean really, this war has lasted longer than World War 2 and cost nearly a trillion dollars. It’s time for a full scale investigation – so when there is a legitimate need to go to war, we know what not to do.

Deane_johnson:
After the election, when the Dumocrats have clear control Congress and Obomba is in the White House, you will see massive amounts of time and money spent on political hammering of Bush, instead of getting on with the country's business.

Remember this post.

I certainly will the next time you go off about name calling.

"I certainly will the next time you go off about name calling."

I didn't call anybody any names. There are no personal insults. Only comments on political activities and thinking. Can you point to a place in this thread where I did? I leave the name calling to the radical liberal members who are short on verbiage but long on bitterness.

Short on verbiage but long on bitterness.

Unlike YOU and YOUR people who are short on HONESTY and long on make-believe.

"Dumocrats" and "Obomba" aren't name calling?

Not that I'm against name calling, but at least admit that you're a hypocrite when you chide someone else for name calling whilst doing it yourself.

More of the same "do as I say, not as I do" mantra from the right.

I don't believe Obomba is a member of this forum, and Dumocrats refers to a political party that has it all wrong.

Oh, and the current Reichlicans have it right!

Give me a F'n break.

Name calling is name calling, hypocrite.

"Name calling is name calling, hypocrite."

For months now I have watched members of the Republican party being called every vile name imaginable. I thought I'd try a couple rather gentle ones. Seems some of the little immature lefties don't like it.

I think it's time the Conservatives on this forum began handing some of it back.

"I think it's time the Conservatives on this forum began handing some of it back."

You don't have the chops. Rhetoric and twisted facts is all that you can produce, with racist and elitist undertones. The rise and fall of the RWA's has turned all you hollow conservatives into a gang full of blathering numbskulls. When presented with accuracy, you reply with rhetoric. When presented with opinion, you reply with twisted facts and misleading tripe. If we boiled down everything the conservatives have to offer, there would be nothing left in the pot sans a few particles of saturated evil.
Conservatives that can no longer defend the actions of their champions should point no finger in any direction but themselves for the misery index we live within, thanks to the morons in the Republican party that have been running the show since the anointment.

Yeah Deane, it sucks to be held accountable to your own words, right?

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Andy, when you get into the racist stuff, it means you have nothing useful to say, so you resort to that.

Deane, you've posted more racist stuff than anyone else combined. The fact that you don't see it for yourself is what's the saddest.

Deane: "I don't believe Obomba is a member of this forum, and Dumocrats refers to a political party that has it all wrong."

Was it not that long ago that you Deane posted how the left name calls when they have nothing worthwhile to post?

This post of yours is certainly worthless.

"Deane, you've posted more racist stuff than anyone else combined. The fact that you don't see it for yourself is what's the saddest."

Show me some.

I've already discussed it with you on a previous thread regarding Obama, go through the archives. If your memory is that short, then don't ask me to waste my time to show you what I've already shown you.

I can dish it out and I can take being called a name. Apparently, so can Deane now too. That's good.

So what is " Obomba " meant to connotate? "Dumocrats " I get. ( Democats are dumb. Is that right? ) " Obomba " I don't. Are you putting some kind of pseudo-African tribal accent on it or something?

Deane's remarks about Senator Obama and the Democrats are similar to Rush Limbaugh's pronunciation of the names of Reverend Jesse Jackson and Governor Mario Cuomo. It's part of Rush's stock and trade; remarks made with racist overtones. At least ESPN fired Rush for his Donavan McNabb remarks.

Yeah Deane, it sucks to be held accountable to your own words, right?

She NEVER will be....

"I've already discussed it with you on a previous thread regarding Obama, go through the archives. If your memory is that short, then don't ask me to waste my time to show you what I've already shown you."

It's as I thought. More of your BS.

"" Obomba " I don't. Are you putting some kind of pseudo-African tribal accent on it or something?"

Bomb, as in a loser or dud.

Or a Nebraskan goat that gives sour milk.

Ahhhh. Bomb.

Cute.

As in: Obama is "Da Bomb!"

Obama-nation...our country if he is elected.

Abomination...anything greatly disliked or abhorred.

A sorry future for our country if elected and I'm not even playing on words here!

The only people I hear this from are bigots, issue voters (axe grinders), pro-big corporate business people, and some religious people, who are probably really just issue voters.

Everybody else, working their asses off to tread water and stay afloat in this horrible economy, is getting pretty stoked about our prospects.

All plays on those that are lazy.

I say: "Deane, you've posted more racist stuff than anyone else combined. The fact that you don't see it for yourself is what's the saddest."

Deane says: "Show me some."

I say: "I've already discussed it with you on a previous thread regarding Obama, go through the archives. If your memory is that short, then don't ask me to waste my time to show you what I've already shown you."

Deane says: "It's as I thought. More of your BS."

Oh yeah? I like nothing more than nailing people's asses to the wall when requested.

From the "Obama's passport file breached thread":

"The reasons Obama doesn't want anything about him seen is that it may not look so great."

-What might not look so great, in relation to his passport records? This is a purposeful statement to smear Obama casting doubt on his backround as a black man who has lived in Muslim nations. This would not be in play if Obama was white and grew up in the midwest.

"Brainl, you're not paying attention to what's really been going on with Obama. His support for 20 years of a radical anti-American pastor, his involvement with the Weather Underground, with Louis Farrakan.

Where there's smoke, there's fire."

-This is among the most racist stuff Deane has posted. This is meant to scare old, white America. White churches are filled with hate mongers as well, but because this is a black church, it's different. Black fear!!!

"Do we really want the Presdient of the United States to be someone who has been attracted to individuals who hate America, who are involved in terrorism, who hate Jews, etc?"

-Now Deane is tying Obama to terrorists and people who are anti-jew. People that live in fear of the differences between races EAT THIS SHIT UP!

"Missing, this association with questionable elements has been going on with Obama for decades. Only now, while running for President does he denounce the Rev Wright's radical anti-American, anti-white ramblings. Only now, while it's necessary for his candidacy for President.

His wife recently let slip their anti-American views which are apparently pretty deep seated.

I'm telling you, where there's smoke, there's fire."

-In other words, because Obama goes to a black church, he's anti-American and anti-white.

"Andrew, when I started this thread way back when, I knew very little about Obama and really wondered what everyone thought. It was since that time I began to realize he has a history of gravitating towards anti-American and anti-white individuals. Since I started this thread, his wife has made her anti-American position known."

-More of the same race baiting using black fear.

"It's not possible to move forward TOGETHER with the member of the Senate who has the most liberal voting record of any Senator, and who throughout his life has gravitated toward friendship with those who are anti-white, anti-Jew, and anti-American."

-If you say it enough, it becomes true, right?

"If you want to move forward together, pick someone closer to the middle of the spectrum, not a radical who early in his life got involved with the Weather Underground who stood for the violent overthrow of the U.S. Government."

-Obama want to overthrow the US Government? Maybe it's YOU that's smoking the Oregon Gold.

"So far, it appears he isn't beholding to anyone except perhaps that Chicago gangster that he's been more involved with than has come out yet."

-Ah yes, let's bring the term "gangster" into play. Is Obama a gang banger now??

"Chris, if he associates with anti-white and anti-American individuals, and hangs around with Farrakan and the Weather Underground, how can he lead America to greatness?"

-Anti-white, anti-American, Farrakan...I'm surprised we aren't talking about the Black Panthers!

"I'm saying this is a person who as aligned himself with anti-white, anti-American, anti-Jew persons and movements. More than one alliance. More than just now and then. A 2 decade leaning in that direction. Is that what you want for the leader of the free world? Do you really want Louis Farrakan and Jesse Jackson running freely through the White House?"

-Okay, now we bring Jesse Jackson into the mix, that will raise some white eyebrows.

Judge for yourself whether or not race is an issue with Deane's comments. He may not be a racist in his own mind, but I see his comments as playing on racial fears in white America.

You just got served old man. I guess your memory is pretty short.

If your memory is that short.

Your the one that wants to re-write history to suite YOUR needs and conveniently forget things when it's something pressing (like Reagan did) or might not fit into YOUR narrow mind.

Born-again Christians hitched their wagon to the most failed and corrupt presidency since Warren G. Harding, that being of course George W. Bush. They’d follow this man to the gates of hell if he asked them. It amazes me to no end how these people can behave like sheep. They place their fate in the hands of people who have acted in such unchristian fashion, yet they continue to serve as his biggest apologist and cheerleader. It’s appalling – and it shows a deep level of ignorance which doesn’t speak well to the born-again Christian set. If I were a born-again Christian with a brain, I’d be both embarrassed and mortified at how my religious movement could have been so royally duped.

If Adolph Hitler would have come out as a born-again Christian, they would have been out there supporting him in their storm trooper garb with bells on.

Vitalogy, you need some serious couch time with a shrink. The fact that not everyone is ready to bow down before your chosen Messiah seems to be more than you can handle. I have never seen such a concoction of gobbledygook trying to manufacture a situation.

Somehow, in your mind, if someone does not care for Obomba's radical liberal extremism and his association with questionable individuals over many years, they are a racists. I call bullshit.

Vitalogy, that was fucking brutal. You answered Deane's request. ( As is usually done - but with much less content or support ). That took work and effort. Even if I were coming from Deane's side, that would be recognized as a K.O. by me.

To use Herb's invariably incorrectly applied vernacular - TOUCHE'!

I'm sure you'll be mocked for having spent so much time on that ( marginalizing the message AND the messenger - yeah - I'm not following that this time ). But that's ok. The content you displayed for everyone to see will never be challenged on the same level. It was just a bluff and you called it.

You've simply won. No need to ever again indulge Deane when he plays dumb. He may have a short memory - or hope that we do - but you, Vitalogy, do not have a short memory.

Thank God.

Legendary response, man. And I would would give credit to anyone, on any side, if they responded as well as you just did. So don't try and tell me that I am including some political bias in my recognizing that Deane was just pummeled.

Maybe I need some serious couch time with the shrink as well. Obama is not the Messiah, but he’s much better suited to be president that than lightweight currently in office or the presumptive Republican nominee. After eight years of the current monstrosity, Obama will be like Heaven on Earth. Obama might not be perfect, but he possess something the current office holder seem to be desperately lacking, a brain. When I hear George W. Bush speak, it’s like listening to a drunk after his 5th boilermaker. Nothing but nonsensical dribble coming out of his mouth.

It's time for a change. Obama for President.

Add tongue-in-cheek "Messiah" reference to Vitalogy's list.

Nicely done, BTW.

(passes Missing's popcorn bowl to Vitalogy)

Maybe George Bush was The Anti-Christ.

All this is proving is that you libs will believe what you want to believe. If I say that Obomba hangs out with individuals with a history of questionable motives, it's racist. If you say Tom Delay does, it's objective. You should seriously review Vitalogy's bucket of garbage that you're anointing and think about what you're doing to yourself. Duh, I just want that "change" guy, what's his name. Anybody who doesn't fall for everything he says and does is a racist cause he's black. Duh.

Senator John McCain has gone on the legislative record as a racist. Senator Barack Obama has not. If you or your candidate do not like being called racists, do not act like one. It is a pretty simple rule my friend.

Think about what you're doing to yourself.

Voting for someone that isn't going to CONTINUE with the same old crap that DUHbya did! Don't you get it??? Is America in good shape all the way around??? Who's been in charge for the last 8 years??? You really think the American people are looking at McSame and thinking "This guy can turn things around FOLLOWING what DUHbya and Co. were doing??? COME ON!
WAKE THE F UP!
Are you happy the way America is looking??? Do you feel good about the state of OUR economy here in America and what DUHbya and Co. have done??? REALLY?
COME ON!

What this means is that your guy has nothing to offer. No resume, no experience, no credentials, no relationships. Nothing. That leaves you with just one thing to start screaming at anyone who doesn't buy his sainthood. Racism. I'd expect nothing else from liberals. It's part of their mantra.

Vitalogy, you need some serious couch time with a shrink.

WHO THE F are YOU? The only one that needs that is YOU! Mr. MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY....
DA YOU really need some time to yourself... Maybe some real loud feedback in your headphones will jar things loose.
It's time for you to wake the F up and join the rest of the WORLD.

Owned. Totally and completely owned.

(I've got those little seasoning packets too, anybody want one?)

What this means is that your guy has nothing to offer. No resume, no experience, no credentials, no relationships. Nothing. That leaves you with just one thing to start screaming at anyone who doesn't buy his sainthood. Racism. I'd expect nothing else from liberals.

And what does yours have to offer? THE SAME TIRED OLD CRAP that DUHbya and Co. gave us???? KILL, FEAR, TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH, MORE DEAD KIDS IN IRAQ......
Your guy has NOTHING new and NOTHING good to offer as well. Get use to it!
Stick that in your juicebox and suck it!

I'd expect nothing else from liberals.

How about America? They are standing up and shouting from the highest mountain that they are NOT pleased with what YOUR EXTREME minority side is doing. In November you will see just how mad America is at what YOUR weasel of a Prez did in 8 years.

Trixter, you're always so cranky when you wake up from you nap.

Abraham Lincoln was a self taught lawyer with time in the Illinois state legislature and the US House of Representatives when he became president. So to contend that you need a resume full of experience doesn’t cut it. Look at George H. W. Bush, probably the best prepared person to be president considering the length of his resume yet his presidency wasn’t much of a success. There is a good deal more to leading than a polished political resume. Look at the presidential greats and it’s a good deal more than resume; depth of character, vision and leadership ability.

Presidential legacies take dozens if decades of years. What's interesting is that back in the 80's there was the same hate Reagan spirit from the liberial community as there is today hating Bush...and now Reagan is considered (now that's he's passed on) to be one of the greatest Presidents of all time...what gives?

When I think of great presidents, I think of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S Truman. Reagan, a hero to the conservative movement, doesn't deserve top tier placement. Perhaps upper middle, but by no means top tier.

As for George W. Bush, if I felt he deserved credit for something, I'd be the first one to offer an attaboy for effort. But when you look at his record, he is a supreme failure. The lies surrounding the Iraq War coupled with his complete lack of fiscal responsibility would place him towards the bottom of any objective list ranking American presidents. His record speaks for itself and I would expect that history will judge him rather harshly.

"and now Reagan is considered (now that's he's passed on) to be one of the greatest Presidents of all time"

By some.
To others his presidency began the decline of the middle class.

broadway: "and now Reagan is considered (now that's he's passed on) to be one of the greatest Presidents of all time."

He is???? Ha ha ha. Surely you're jesting aren't you?

Oh, here's a handy list of adminstration convictions for your amusement:

"By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal. The lobbying would not have been illegal had he not been White House Press Secretary.

2. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Chief of Staff, received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. Same as with Lyn Nofziger.

3. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

4. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...

5. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. Appointed by William Casey to assist Oliver North.

6. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush...

7. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush...

8. Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush...

9. Thomas G. Clines: convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the operations;

10. Carl R. Channel - Office of Public Diplomacy , partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States

11. Richard R. Miller - Partner with Oliver North in IBC, a Office of Public Diplomacy front group, convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States.

12. Frank Gomez

13.. Donald Fortier

14. Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush...

15. Rita Lavelle was indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three months of a six-month prison sentence.

16. Philip Winn - Assistant HUD Secretary. Pleaded guilty to one count of scheming to give illegal gratuities.

17. Thomas Demery - Assistand HUD Secretary - pleaded guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.

18. Deborah Gore Dean - executive assistant to Samuel Pierce - indicted on thirteen counts, three counts of conspiracy, one count of accepting an illegal gratuity, four counts of perjury, and five counts of concealing articles. She was convicted on twelve accounts. She appealed and prevailed on several accounts but the convictions for conspiracy remained.

19. Catalina Villaponda - Former US Treasurer

20. Joseph A. Strauss - Accepting kickbacks from developers

21. Oliver North - He was indicted on sixteen felony counts and on May 4, 1989, he was convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents (by his secretary, Fawn Hall, on his instructions). He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours community service. His conviction was later overturned.

So, Broadway, one of the greatest of all time? Hmm?

Trixter, you're always so cranky when you wake up from you nap.

Dj, has the Midol started working yet??? Those mood swings won't be go away with Prozac alone....

Reagan is considered to be one of the greatest Presidents of all time."

Your kidding right?? If so, then so should Carter and for that matter DUHbya.

Presidential legacies take dozens if decades of years. What's interesting is that back in the 80's there was the same hate Reagan spirit from the liberal community as there is today hating Bush...and now Reagan is considered (now that's he's passed on) to be one of the greatest Presidents of all time...what gives?

Same shit that YOUR EXTREME side did for 7 1/2 with Clinton and POUNDED Carter into submission. Don't give EVERYONE YOUR crying game because YOUR side did/does the same GD thing!
If Obama wins in November YOUR side will be the FIRST to start HAMMERING on him. It will be CONSTANT!
You'll have some photo shop pic of him snorting coke or standing on the street corner trying to pick up a hooker.
It's just what you do.... It's just your ROVE way of life.....

I didn’t realize so many Reagan Administration officials found themselves in trouble with the law. The way Reagan apologists spin it, his administration held to the highest ethical standards. But then I remember people like Jim Watt, Debra Gore Dean, Samuel Pierce and Richard V. Allen among others. And of course the Iran-Contra Affair and those nationally televised hearings. It makes me wonder about the character of people who enter public life then abuse the privilege. Most of these folks seem to get a slap on the wrist. I’m sure once they’ve served their time, friends and acquaintances find them work without regard for their conduct in public life.

Good grief...did'nt any of you watch/hear any general press after Reagan passed...his funeral...the commentators where "slobbering" all over him...accolade's ruled! Guess just paying their respects for him as a human and former president.

Maybe on FOX News and Newsmax.com...

Broadway - People ALWAYS point out the good when a President passes on. People were "slobbering" all over Gerald Ford when he passed.

Heck, I remember Richard Nixon's praises being sung when he passed away in 1994. If anyone was going to be kicked further to the ground on his deathbed, it would be Mr. Nixon, don't you think?

Not a fan of Nixon, strong fan of Reagan but don't remember the press accounts of Nixon's funeral...do remember Fords and your right...guess sign of the "press" times...and no...all over NBC/CBS/ABC/CNN...when a prez dies...he's a great guy...of course I hope they say that about me when I kick the mic.

I can remember watching Richard Nixon at the funeral of his wife, former first lady Patricia Nixon in California at the Nixon Library and Birthplace in 1993. Richard Nixon put her through hell and finally showed some emotion at her funeral. It’s the only time I ever saw Richard Nixon cry. He was a mess.

He was a "different bird" personality-wise as a person and president...wish all politicians/people would just live by the mantra..."honesty is the best policy"...hey..title of a new thread!

I'll give Reagan this: He LOOKED presidential.

I can remember when former President Ronald Reagan landed in southern California sometime after the inauguration of George H. W. Bush. He was greeted by some old time Hollywood types and the USC Marching Band. While on a modified reviewing stand, someone had him put on an oversized Etruscan helmet. Needless to say, the former president’s advance men had not vetted the arrival ceremony and Reagan looked pretty foolish. Where was Michael Deaver when he needed him?

I'll give Reagan this: He LOOKED presidential.

He ACTED the part good.

Question...describe what it means to look presidential?

An image percieved or real?

Reagan had a genius of a lead image maker during his first term – his deputy White House Chief of Staff Michael Deaver. He understood stagecraft better than nearly anyone in modern politics in the 1980’s (or modern history for that matter). If you look at Reagan's second term and some of the public relations blunders that followed, you'll see how much Deaver was missed.