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Author: Justin_timberfake
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 4:48 pm
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As everyone knows, I am OBSESSED with the latest album from The Scorpions Called "Humanity Hour 1". What REALLY irritates me is that the primary reason why this CD is getting limited air play is because these guys are pushing 50. It seems that the music industry is obsessed with Vanity and less about Music content, that is why we have no talent hacks like brittney Spears Polluting the airwaves with her verbal diarrhea. Lets face it, Brittney Spears is talentless, she can't sing and brings nothing to the table except for the fact that she is a pretty face, which makes her marketable.
I've even heard some of these new bands that Kufo is playing, and I look at them and they are barely 25 years old. There music is nothing great BUT because they are young and marketable, they are getting airplay.

Why is "Humanity Hour 1" by The Scorpions not as big of a record as Linkin Park's new cd "minutes to midnight".??????
"Humanity Hour 1" is just as strong as "minutes to Midnight, if not better. Why is it not getting the same amount of airplay as Linkin Parks new CD??
Simple, the Scorpions are too damn old!! They have sold MILLIONS and MILLIONS of Records, BUT because most of the members are in their 50's, RADIO is ignoring them! I really wish the whole Vanity Concept would go away because it is CRAP, it is not right and Kids are missing out on a lot of great material because of the "Vanity" theory that radio seems to hold. I really wish PD's would take a stand and play new Albums that are good, regardless if the member of the band are not in their 20's!

Here is another example, Neil Diamond put a new album out a few years back, and I thought It was a great album. The songs were Really strong, Yet again Radio IGNORED his new album because he is in his 50's. SUCH CRAP!

Lets take a 17 year old guy, as an example. We will call him Tony Bologna. Lets say TONY just finds about a New album that is really good, he LOVES the music and wants to go buy the CD.
Do you think Tony Bologna will look at the album and go "WAIT A MINUTE, THESE GUYS ARE 53 YEARD OLD?, THERE IS NO WAY IM BUYING THIS ALBUM. THEY ARE TOO OLD"

That would never happen, because a 17 year old guy could care less about Vanity, he just wants some good music. But I think programmers and Record companies think otherwise.
We live in a sad world of a really shady music industry!
Although look at Johnny Cash, Look how Trendy he has become in the music scene! That guy looks like a wrinkled prune, yet kids are digging his music. Im glad to see that happening.

Author: Trixter
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 4:54 pm
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Why is "Humanity Hour 1" by The Scorpions not as big of a record as Linkin Park's new cd "minutes to midnight".??????

Ask anyone under the age of 25 who the Scorpions are. Check out the CD sales in America. WHO is selling CD's.... Hanna Montana?

Author: Brianl
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 4:56 pm
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Maybe it's that the younger generation, CHR-type stuff gets play amongst the younger crowd, and those of us who enjoy classic rock/metal get the older classic rock/metal from artists like the Scorpions, because God forbid if a radio station wants to piss off its P-1s and waver away from the old classics.

I agree Justin. Snakes and Arrows is a brilliant piece of work by Rush, and it's received next to no airplay. Same with Humanity Hour 1. Another recent one that I really like is United Abominations from Megadeth, their best work IMHO in ten years ... and I've heard NOTHING on any AOR stations.

Author: Trixter
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 5:00 pm
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Disposable income.....
My money is budgeted for the family and what we have to do for the month. Kids buy what they want with OUR money. DOWNLOADS kill CD sales and thus downloads of single songs rule.

Author: Justin_timberfake
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 5:08 pm
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Trixter. GIVE ME AN F'ing BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you telling me that if you were to go to a local High School and ask a 15 year old guy who the scorpions are, they will have no idea who they are???

Newsflash Trixter, A LOT OF HIGH SCHOOL KIDS ARE LISTENING TO CLASSIC ROCK BECAUSE THE NEW ROCK SCENE TODAY SUCKS ASS!!!
I think your theory is FLAWED!!! The only reason why Kids are not buying the new Scorpions or the new RUSH is because nobody knows they have new albums out! Their record companies are doing a SHITTY job of promoting their new albums and Radio is Ignoring them. (If you are a band, and you don't have radio playing your album, you will have a very hard time selling records! Thank god their are other options for finding out new albums besides radio.
I didn't even know The Scorpions had a new album out! Darktemper was the one that was bragging about how good the new Scorpions album was, so I went to the Record store, checked it out and now its my favorite new album. Even the guy at the register said and I quote "This is a fuckin awesome CD, Its too bad more people don't know about it."

Author: Trixter
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 5:35 pm
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Newsflash Trixter, A LOT OF HIGH SCHOOL KIDS ARE LISTENING TO CLASSIC ROCK BECAUSE THE NEW ROCK SCENE TODAY SUCKS ASS!!!

THAT is NOT being reflected in DOWNLOADS and Sales. Sorry if the truth hurts. YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHY The Scorpions are NOT selling CDs and being played on the radio.
If MY THEORY was flawed then the Scorpions would be EVERYWHERE!
Saying that they don't know the album is out there is BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!! The Internet is EVERYWHERE!
If you don't want the truth then don't ask....

Author: Justin_timberfake
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 5:41 pm
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The internet is everywhere, but if you look at the top selling singles that kids are downloading, they are all OVERPLAYED songs that radio is playing non stop. Don't you think if Radio was playing some of these bands that they would be downloaded more often??

I think kids (Especially women) don't know what they like, so they turn to radio to TELL THEM WHAT IS COOL! Well Geeze, since Top 40 radio is playing that Brittney spears Crap non stop, it must be good, so I should probably go download it.

Author: Mc74
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 6:42 pm
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Motely Crue just released its new single, sold about 10,000 on Itunes but it sold over 40,000 on the video game Rock Star.

That is considered a download and yes, those are kids.

Author: Darktemper
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 7:49 pm
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The album is not selling or being played on air probably because the Scorpions could care less about CD sales and have absolutely no problem selling out every venue they play at! Face it, groups make money from touring and not the puny royalties from CD sales! I'd like to see Stinkin Park sell out the Clark County Amp let alone the Schnitz!

The Scorpions generation is all about the live concerts and the show while today's youth would probably rather sit at home and stream it!

End-of-Line!

Author: Chris_taylor
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 8:10 pm
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Justin- Scorpions and Neil Diamond in your library. Now that's pretty cool.

Just so you know Diamond hasn't seen his 50's in about 8 years. He's 67. But I'm sure he appreciates it. "Hot August Night" from 1973 was my favorite ND album.

Author: Darktemper
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 8:27 pm
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I always liked "Brooklyn Roads".

How about Journey "Trial by Fire" Perrys last Journey album I believe. Excellent!
Rush "Snakes and Arrows". Most Excellent!
Scorpions "Unbreakable" is another solid album!
Tons of Sammy Hagar after Three Lock Box and none of it gets any airplay and it is some damn fine music!

This stuff is "Classic Rock" not due to it's age but due to the group and/or artist. It's almost a death sentence as far as airplay goes for classic rock bands to put out new material.

If you are a classic rock fan I cannot tell you in words how awesome "Humanity Hour 1" actually is. You need to get the CD and I recommend Best Buy due to the fact that the copy they sell has a bonus track "Cold" on it.

Go to www.the-scorpions.com and check out the Humanity Vidoe for yourself and "Praise the Lord Thou Shalt See the Light and be STUNG"!

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 8:36 pm
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This is a pure money play.

Those albums are relevant today. The slightly smarter kids are listening. The rest are not.

If you are promoting music, which do you promote?

Very solid and likely tough to deal with musicians, who are gonna sunset fairly soon, and have earned their right to deal and not be so owned, or...

The newbie, looks hot, can be totally owned, has the greatest appeal, and might go a good long time?

No brainer.

That back catalog has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is the top 40.

You are getting older man. Sucks doesn't it?

Author: Darktemper
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 8:54 pm
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Take a look:

Humanity Video

What do you think?

Author: Darktemper
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 9:08 pm
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You wanna hear my theory?

Well to bad here it is.

I've read the lyrics, listened to the whole CD 50 times, and am just totally impressed how good the lyrics truly are and that they may just be a little to political or reveal "Humanity's" Dark side to much. I really think though that todays electronic youth would and could rally behind this CD as I think the lyrics would actually get through to them. This planet is on the brink and it's gonna be up to them to bring it back from there. "New Generation" the first track off of Unbreakable Should have been on "Hour 1".

To cut the stream of blood
I hear voices that spin inside my head
It's your voice that counts so much

Here comes the young,
the new generation
You are the only ones
You are the only ones who can make a change

The world looks kind of small from way up there
Through the window of our time
The shuttle broke into a million pieces
In the bluest sky

The world is spinning `round way too fast
And New York City went all dark
There's a message that goes out tonight
From the bottom of my heart

Here comes the young, the new generation
You are the only ones
You are the only ones who can make a change
Here comes the young, the new generation
You are the only ones
You are the only ones who can make a change

Always hold on to your dreams
Because the world is not the same
The day your hope will die
Just carry on for you and me
`Cause it's the spark inside that flame
That gives your visions life

Here comes the young, the new generation
You are the only ones
You are the only ones who can make a change
Here comes the young, the new generation
You are the only ones
You are the only ones who can make a change

We are we are the new generation
We are the only ones
We are the only ones who can make a change

This tune SCREAMS out to today's youth! It's a shame they can't here it on air!

Author: Trixter
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 9:20 pm
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The album is not selling or being played on air probably because the Scorpions could care less about CD sales and have absolutely no problem selling out every venue they play at!

BINGO!

Author: Justin_timberfake
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 10:27 pm
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The album is not selling or being played on air probably because the Scorpions could care less about CD sales and have absolutely no problem selling out every venue they play at!

I disagree!! Yes, The Scorpions will make most of their money from touring. BUT If you watch any interview with lead singer Klause Meine, HE ALWAYS talks about how he is hoping "Humanity Hour 1" Will be the album that gets them back on the radio!! You can tell that he has been worried and can't understand why radio has ignored the last few Scorpions albums. Infact if You watch the making of "Humanity Hour 1" they brag about how they got one of the best song writers (Desmond Child) and one of the best producers (James Michael) to help them write and produce an album that will be so good that radio won't ignore. Its plain and simple, They want this album to get played on the radio. Im not saying it, THEY are saying it. Infact they said they wanted to make an album that has ZERO FILLER in it, an album where every single song can potentially be a radio hit. They even went as far as getting Billy Corgan and John 5 from Maralyn manson to help them update their sound.
One more quick point about the Scorpions new album. This album was designed to be played on rock stations, NOT classic rock stations. They have updated their sound on the new album to make them sound more contemporary and less 80's metal.
Its amazing that rock stations are playing the new Motley Crue single "Saints of Las Angelos, which is CRAP, yet they are ignoring a very solid album from the Scorpions. It makes no sense, absolutely NONE!
And by the way, radio has not been compeltely ignoring the album, stations are playing some of their new material, but not very much, I guess some is better than none!
Klause Meine also wasn't sure if "Humanity Hour 1" will be the last Scorpions album or not. HE even said, "If radio continues to ignore us, than there is no point of making a new album." That is coming from the mouth of Klause himself, not me.
The new album is HUGE over in Europe, the new Scorpions album in Europe is what Green Day is here in the states.
I guess European's have better taste in rock music than here in the states!

Author: Chris_taylor
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 10:41 pm
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Justin I love your passion for this group. But sadly radio is in a different place now. 20-25 years ago this album probably would have been number 1 on the rock charts. Selling thousands of units daily and giving the band another reason to tour.

Radio just doesn't have the power it once did. Other established bands are probably feeling it too.

Rock and Roll fans are also the most fickle. Why one album sores and another fails depends on so many variables it's really hard to nail down.

I would hope Klause and the guys would just stay true to their stuff and control what they can control...making a great album and outstanding concerts. Beyond that it's out of their hands.

Author: Justin_timberfake
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 10:43 pm
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Hey Chris, thats a great point! You Rock Brotha!

And yes I do Love Neil Diamond, and im proud to admit it. "Solitary man" is my favorite Neil Diamond song!
I love music, and find good in just about every type of music including country. I love hip hop and everything in between.

Author: Chris_taylor
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 10:46 pm
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Sometimes I do get it. Not often. Probably due to being a mid-lifer like the Scorpions.

Author: Darktemper
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 11:50 pm
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Besides that, how would it look for a bunch of old dudes to walk away with album of the year over all of these young wanna be's but ain't? Not good considering the amount of cash being spent to hype them! Scorp's ROCK plain and simple and that album should be in the top two for album of the year along with Snakes and Arrows.

Scorp's might be old but like a fine wine just keep improving with age!

Author: Skeptical
Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 11:55 pm
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Wow, some people are talking like my grandpa in this thread. Thank God the "New Kids On The Block" have regrouped for a tour so the grandpas can relive the golden days.

Author: Justin_timberfake
Friday, May 30, 2008 - 2:09 am
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Here is an interesting point.

Motley crues new album is getting airplay. Every time Ozzy puts out a new album it gets lots of airplay. Ozzy is an old fart and his new music is getting a lot of airplay on rock radio. Bon jovis new music is getting airplay on AC stations.
If all these 80's acts are getting their new material played on the radio, I don't see why the Scorpions new album can't.
This is an interesting topic, but it does make you wonder why the new Motley Crue album is getting so much airplay, yet the new scorpions album is not.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm.

Give Pearl Jam a few more years and radio will be ignoring their new music, NO MATTER HOW GOOD IT IS!

Author: Trixter
Friday, May 30, 2008 - 4:54 pm
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Justin I love your passion for this group. But sadly radio is in a different place now. 20-25 years ago this album probably would have been number 1 on the rock charts. Selling thousands of units daily and giving the band another reason to tour.


Kinda what I said and got my Fin' head bit off... GEEZ!

Author: Alfredo_t
Friday, May 30, 2008 - 5:23 pm
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> I think kids (Especially women) don't know what they like, so they turn to radio to TELL THEM
> WHAT IS COOL!

Is there anything inherently wrong with people who "don't know what they like?" This is part of why people try new things; they want to see what is out there. I think that--unfortunately--the way that radio is programmed today makes it generally ill-suited to cater to such people. Years ago, it used to be that music radio programming might feature album reviews and comments from the DJs about the songs, new releases, or concerts. Today, features like that can only be found on a few niche outlets like KMHD (if you want to listen to Jazz) or KNRK.

Author: Chris_taylor
Friday, May 30, 2008 - 5:56 pm
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Trix...It's all in the delivery.

Author: Beano
Friday, May 30, 2008 - 6:09 pm
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Whats interesting about the Scorpions new album is that, judging from the art work on the cover, to the whole themed concept, to the big named producers and song writers on the album, its amazing they spent all this time, money and effort on the album and the record label does nothing to promote the album. I listened to "Humanity Hour 1" album by the Scorpions the other day, and the one thing I noticed is that it has a VERY CONTEMPORARY SOUND. It sounds less like a Scorpions album and more like a Linkin Park album. Its definetely not an 80's metal sounding album. While they do have some power ballads on the album(which are very good) a lot of the album focuses on the Numetal sound. If you're looking for songs like "Rock you like a hurricane" on this album you will be very disapointed. It is a good album, I enjoyed it very much. But I digress, anybody hear the new album from Gnarles Barkley?? My wife turned me onto him, he is really good, and his new album is great.

Author: Bunsofsteel
Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 6:16 pm
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Aren't the Scorpions and Judus Priest coming to town soon?

Author: Darktemper
Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 6:26 pm
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I WISH.

They are doing a couple of shows in California and one in Arizona around August but thats it for now. They have been touring mostly in Europe and Asia so far but am looking for them to be back in the USA maybe late summer for a limited amount of shows. But I bet you wont see an extensive tour until 2009.

I think we need a Scorpions AC/DC concert. That way both could tour to promote their new albums!!!!!!

If it's not worth listening to loud it's no worth listening to!

Author: Justin_timberfake
Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 7:33 pm
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If You want to plan a roadtrip Temper, I will drive down to California in a heartbeat to see the Scorpions.

I don't blame The Scorpions for touring mostly in Europe and Asia. I heard that "Humanity Hour 1" is HUGE in Europe, its played non stop on the radio in Europe.

I think I understand why rock stations are playing Motley Crue's new single- Saints of Los Angelos, They are touring, that is why. I guess it doesn't matter that Motley Crues new single is a complete piece of shit, the fact that they are touring in the states, gives them airplay.
Now. lets say the Scorpions Kicked off their Tour here in the states, would radio be playing more of their new music?? I think YES!

I heard the best quote from a reviewer on Amazon.com.
They said, "The Scorpions do not need Radio, BUT Radio needs the Scorpions." Amen!

And don't get me wrong, I love Motley Crue! My Favorite Crue album was "Dr. Feelgood". BUT over the last 12 years, Motley Crue have been releasing albums that are absolute dog crap! Yet its getting airplay. Then you have a band like the Scorpions that release an absolute Genius album and radio ignores it. Go figure!

Author: Vitalogy
Saturday, May 31, 2008 - 7:58 pm
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I think the new Crue song rocks.

Author: Darktemper
Sunday, June 01, 2008 - 1:01 pm
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Just got Def Leppard "Songs from the Sparkle Lounge". I think you will be hearing this on a lot of stations. While a good CD, it's not, in my opinion, as good as Scorpions. But the reason it will play better is that their new sound is completely up to speed with today. I think they did a good job with it. It's more marketable to a broader audience.

Author: Trixter
Sunday, June 01, 2008 - 1:14 pm
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Old names don't get much air play. What station in Portland are going to play Def Leppard??? Z100? KRSK? 103? NRK? KINK? Jammin'?
Ck out Allaccess and look for Def Leppard's Nine Lives song.... 13 Stations in the whole US and ONLY ONE of those stations is west of the Mississippi....
Don't get me wrong I'm a ROCK fan and loved DL, Scorps and The Crue in High School but these days Stations and in that matter BIG CORPORATIONS won't touch the Rock acts of the 80's.
I'm just telling it like it is.... Flame away but the TRUTH is staring us right in the face with the numbers.

Author: Beano
Sunday, June 01, 2008 - 2:20 pm
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Just heard The new Scorpions track on Kufo the other night. Im 99.9 Percent sure it was there new material because Cort and Fatboy were talking about the new album. Also Kgon is playing Their latest single. Although I havent heard it in a while, I know for a FACT they have played tracks off the new Scorpions CD.
Some Cd's take longer than others to get airplay.
"When Appetite for destruction By Guns N roses First came out and they released the single "welcome to the jungle". RADIO IGNORED IT! It took a good 4-5 months of Sitting on the shelf at music Stores before radio started to notice the album. Plus the fact that the original cover for "appetite For Destruction" was a picture of a woman getting raped by robot, and that didn't go over too well with Tipper Gore. SO they had to go back and change the album Cover. If anybody has the original "appetite" album with the Robot on the cover it is worth a ton of dough!
Trixter loves to think he is the expert on Metal bands from the 80's but I don't think he knows squat. I think Timberfakes theory is a bit more realistic. The Scorpions are touring in Europe and Asia first. As they should be. Would you start in the states when radio is ignoring your album or go to a place where they are playing the CD non stop on the radio?? If the Scorpions kicked off their tour here in the states I would bet you radio would be playing the new Scorpions cd more often!I've been hearing a lot of good things about the Cd. Best Buy is playing the hell out of the new CD amd promoting the extra bonus song that you can only get at best buy. I guess the only promotion for the Scorpions latest album was from Best buy.(Pretty pathetic, but at least Best Buy is promoting the new album)
It has been out almost a year, and Best Buy is still promoting the album.

Correct me If Im wrong but Didn't Sharon Ozzbourne start Ozzfest because she felt that Radio and Mtv were not playing his music as much as they used too and people were telling her that Ozzy was too old to still be releasing albums. I thought I heard that somewhere. And notice whenever Ozzy releases a new album, Radio eats it up like Pie and plays it non stop!!!

Author: Darktemper
Monday, June 02, 2008 - 7:13 am
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Hey Trixter, it's still pretty new yet. Give it a little time and I think you'll be hearing a couple different tracks on NRK and KUFO in the near future. It's a new sound for the guys that is sure to catch on with the younger crowd.

Author: Trixter
Monday, June 02, 2008 - 8:52 am
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Trixter loves to think he is the expert on Metal bands from the 80's but I don't think he knows squat.

OK.....
Thanks...
Expert???
Nope...
Just trying to keep it REAL.

Author: Darktemper
Monday, June 02, 2008 - 8:59 am
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If Trixter does not know metal bands, he more than likely knows his "Hair Bands"!

Author: Trixter
Monday, June 02, 2008 - 9:02 am
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Butt Rock
Hair Metal
Metal

Whatever....

Author: Darktemper
Monday, June 02, 2008 - 10:07 am
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Geeeeeez, lighten up, it was a joke!

Have a good one "Cinderella"!

Author: Justin_timberfake
Monday, June 02, 2008 - 2:26 pm
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Just don't slip up and say I'm an expert in "Butt Hair". Now that would be embarrassing!

Author: Mrs_merkin
Monday, June 02, 2008 - 3:36 pm
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You don't have any, do you?

Author: Justin_timberfake
Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:04 pm
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I do Merkin. I like to braid mine in the summer!

Doesn't everybody?

Author: Darktemper
Monday, June 02, 2008 - 8:04 pm
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T M I

Author: Justin_timberfake
Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 2:48 am
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Sorry Temper!

Author: Mrs_merkin
Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 8:14 am
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I wondered what that big lump in your pants was!

I donated mine to "Locks of Love"

Author: Justin_timberfake
Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 11:14 am
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LMAO!!!!
God must really hate me Mrs. Merkin! While I'm losing all my hair on my head, I have WAY too much hair in and around my "Rump Roast". Maybe I could get a hair transplant from one region to the other:-)

Author: Darktemper
Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 11:18 am
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What happened here? Merkin and Timberfake have hi-jacked this thread!!!!! It's gone WAY WAY off course!

Author: Skybill
Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 11:31 am
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Maybe I could get a hair transplant from one region to the other

Or maybe you could transplant your head!!!

Just messin with ya!

Author: Justin_timberfake
Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 11:35 am
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It's all Merkin's fault!!You're right I apologise, Now back to the Awesomeness of the new Scorpions CD.
I was listening to track #5 on Humanity Hour 1, and I still can't believe that song. For starters, the song gives me goosebumps. The song is called "The future never dies" and it is one of the only power ballads that actually gives me the goosebumps. Klause's vocals are so strong on this album that he puts Chris Cornell to Shame. And that is saying A LOT because I think Chris Cornell has one of the best voices in rock! Until Now! Not only does Klause have better Vocals than Chris Cornell, he is 25 years older than him. Now that is impressive. And to think of all the drugs and Partying that the Scorpions have done over the span of their career! I read that the producers ran out and hired vocal coach for Klause before they started the record because his vocals are so strong that they wanted to take advantage of his great voice. And they did! They purposely put some acustic type tracks on the album to show off how great his voice is. That guy CAN SING!!!!! Infact On song #5 I feel like Im listening to Freddie Mercury of Queen. His vocals and Freddies vocals sound a lot alike.


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