NYT: Talk of Clinton as VP grows

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Author: Itsvern
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 3:37 am
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24785209

Author: Deane_johnson
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 4:52 am
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It's Bill that's pushing this. He wants back in the limelight. Michelle Obama says no. It will be interesting.

Author: Edselehr
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 7:28 am
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I think it's a bad idea, but it would begin to mend fences with those rabid pro-Hillary supporters who think that this might be there only chance in a generation to get a woman in the White House. Hillary in the VP spot kills her chances for a run in '12 (unless Obama implodes for some reason) but sets her up nicely for '16, assuming people will want to vote for Gramma Hillary at that point (she will be 69).

Author: Amus
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 10:16 am
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I'm hoping for complete domination all 3 branches of Government, for an unimpeded seating of of Supreme Court Justice Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Author: Vitalogy
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 11:46 am
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I don't see Obama picking her as VP. He can win without her and he can win with her, so either way, I'm okay with it. Personally, I'd rather see her stay in the Senate and take over Harry Reid's position as majority leader.

Author: Talpdx
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 3:39 pm
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People forget in the summer of 1980 that conservative former California Governor Ronald Reagan and pro-choice (up until the nomination) former CIA Director Ambassador George H. W. Bush buried the hatchet in Detroit, became running mates and went on to decisively defeat President Carter and Vice President Mondale later that same year. To say an Obama-Clinton ticket isn’t out of the question flies in the face of good politics – but by no means is it a done deal. And I do think handling Bill Clinton will be an issue.

But again, Clinton has won states in the Democratic primary that Obama MUST win in order to win the presidency. And Clinton does better in certain Democratic constituencies than Obama, including white people who earn less than $50,000, older women, people with less than a college education, older Jewish Americans and Hispanics.

Too, even though Clinton has raised less money than Obama, she's raised over a $100,000,000 this campaign cycle. Let us not forget how success the Republicans are at raising money. Obama is going to need someone who can raise copious amounts of money this fall campaign.

Author: Andrew2
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 3:55 pm
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Up until recently I felt there was little chance that Clinton would be the VP or even accept if offered. But I'm starting to change my mind. IF he would offer it and IF she would accept, I think that ticket would beat McCain easily. Just look at the huge number of voters both of them brought out in all these states. And while many Clinton voters have said they would never vote for Obama, I can't imagine they could vote for McCain with Clinton as VP.

If Hillary wants the VP and Obama denies it, I think he's going to have a huge problem on his hands. I don't think he has a chance to win the general election unless Hillary enthusiastically supports him.

Andrew

Author: Trixter
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 4:19 pm
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ABSOLUTLY NO!
I will NOT vote for Obama if Hillary and Bill are going to be back in the White House.
Sorry guys but I can't vote for that! On the same note I can't vote for McSame unless he changes his DUHbya ways.

Author: Skeptical
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 10:11 pm
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"I'm hoping for complete domination all 3 branches of Government, for an unimpeded seating of of Supreme Court Justice Hillary Rodham Clinton."

I can just see the troll and some conservatives here upchucking their entire stomach and a few feet of intestines if this were to happen! :-)


I'm in favor of the Hillary-Obama ticket. But if they were to agree to put her in the Supreme Court, I'm all for that.

Author: Chris_taylor
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 10:22 pm
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I have to agree with Trix on this. I'm not excited to have another Clinton in the White House.

Author: Littlesongs
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 10:23 pm
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I am completely opposed to the idea. It serves no purpose, adds no value and actually raises the downticket negatives quite a bit. The continual harping in the press by her lackeys is nothing short of extortion.

No sane woman is going to vote for John McCain knowing that the Supreme Court rests squarely on the shoulders of the next President. So, instead of Clinton continuing down the path of total destruction, she ought to say nice things about the Democrats, play out the string and be classy.

If her track record is any indication, that is asking far too much of her as a candidate. She will continue her "oopsy daisy" approach to race relations, class separation, assassination and party rules. Her best bet is to make sure that women's issues are at the forefront and get out after Puerto Rico, but she secretly wants mayhem in Denver. She knows how much damage has been wrought by her campaign and it suits her just fine. In her fevered dreams, 2012 is looking more and more like a lock.

If the way New York sees this kind of behavior is any indication, her ship is sinking fast. After conversing at length with friends and relatives in her quasi-homestate, I believe that her future is mighty dim. I think at this point she will be lucky to beat a potential Michael Bloomberg run and keep her Senate seat.

A pro-choice Supreme Court justice who believes strongly in a unitary executive, corporate control, the Patriot Act and preemptive war is not a net gain. There are far better nominees than Hillary Clinton.

As for replacing Harry Reid, I think that is a bad idea too. With so many environmental and energy challenges in our near future, I do not want a junior senator from New York in charge of decisions that affect the west. I will continue to support the soft-spoken Nevada native until another western all-star steps up to the plate.

Author: Vitalogy
Friday, May 23, 2008 - 10:49 pm
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I think you underrate Hillary.

Author: Amus
Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 6:38 am
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"I can just see the troll and some conservatives here upchucking their entire stomach and a few feet of intestines if this were to happen!"

Exactly!!

Author: Trixter
Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 6:58 pm
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But if they were to agree to put her in the Supreme Court, I'm all for that.

YES! And Bill.....

Author: Talpdx
Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 7:43 pm
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The Republicans would go after Hillary Rodham Clinton if nominated to the US Supreme Court just like Senator Ted Kennedy and the Democrats went after Judge Robert Bork. Every conservative organization, from the pro-life movement to the Federalist Society and everything in between would throw everything they’ve got to derail her nomination. It would be filibuster city. So I think a nomination to the US Supreme Court is highly unlikely. It requires the expenditure of enormous political capital in the first place, and I doubt Barack Obama would want to waste it on Hillary Rodham Clinton. There are more pressing matters and worthwhile candidates to sit on the nation’s highest court. If the US Senate isn’t her bailiwick, then I’m sure she can find something else to do until Obama has served his eight years in office. Now wouldn’t that be a hoot.

But to vilify her is unfair. Whether Obama supporters want to realize it or not, she’s done extremely well in the primaries in relative terms compared to Senator Obama. And again, she’s carried states this primary season he absolutely needs to win in order to become president. She deserves a voice at the convention. A little less than 50 percent of the delegates at the convention will be supporting her. So to call her a spoiler I think is unfair to those who voted for her in their respective primary.

As for the vice presidency, Dick Cheney has completely written the rules on the role of Vice-President. I doubt Obama’s choice for vice-president will have nearly the influence that Cheney has had in the Bush Administration, but in thinking about it, I might be wrong. It’ll be truly interesting to see who he picks because I think he’ll need a steady head in the second chair. Some contend that an old hand might not work, given that Obama manta’s been about change. So whatever direction he goes, it’ll be fascinating to see. I think his core supporters have VERY high expectations, so we’ll have to see where things end up.

Author: Skeptical
Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 11:00 pm
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"she’s done extremely well in the primaries in relative terms compared to Senator Obama."

Exactly. Obama supporters are screaming "MANDATE" when it is actually close race delegate-total-wise. In addition, Hillary is still able to give Obama a pretty good whipping at times.

If there is a major split in the party, Obama supporters have to share the blame. Instead of calling for Hillary to quit all these months, they shoulda kept their mouths shut until the convention.

Author: Entre_nous
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 1:07 pm
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Call me crazy, but I wouldn't mind seeing Condi Rice getting her hat (and her ass) handed to her by Hillary...

Who'll get that spot, I wonder?

Author: Deane_johnson
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 1:49 pm
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"Call me crazy, but I wouldn't mind seeing Condi Rice getting her hat (and her ass) handed to her by Hillary...

Who'll get that spot, I wonder?"


What does this mean? They are from different parties. They aren't running against each other for anything. Could you clarify.

Author: Talpdx
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 2:35 pm
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If Condoleezza Rice were nominated as McCain’s running mate, she’d be forced to spend an inordinate amount of time explaining her role in crafting the illegitimate reasons behind the war in Iraq. As National Security Advisor to President George W. Bush, she played a pivotal role inside the White House creating the policy which has led to five years of a very unpopular war. She’s as close to George W. Bush as you can get when it comes to war policy. She’s Richard Nixon’s Dr. Henry Kissinger, but not as adept. And her tenure as Secretary of State has been lackluster at best as compared to her contemporaries.

Author: Vitalogy
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 2:39 pm
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I would love nothing more than to have Condi nominated as VP for McCain.

Please god may this happen!!

Author: Deane_johnson
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 2:39 pm
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She will not be his running mate for some of the reasons you outlined.

Author: Entre_nous
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 2:41 pm
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Sure. That would be an appointed position, and if Obama is elected, Condi will certainly be out of a job...just looking past the immediate and speculating about what other jobs Hillary is qualified for, besides VP.

I hear plenty of speculation around who Obama will choose as cabinet members to balance his "youth and inexperience". VP is only one of those positions.

Author: Entre_nous
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 2:47 pm
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Oh, man...Vitalogy, that would be a slam dunk!

Talpdx: you are absolutely correct: the boys mess up the sandbox and she buries it for them. We cannot see the backside of that woman soon enough.

Author: Deane_johnson
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 2:53 pm
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Meow, Meow.

Author: Entre_nous
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 2:59 pm
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I'll go sharpen my claws, you go find a fire hydrant...

Author: Talpdx
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 3:11 pm
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Like most of those in the Bush Administration who have left under the specter of failure, Secretary Rice will write another bonafide piece of fiction on the rationale behind war with Iraq.

I can’t wait to see George W. Bush’s autobiography, written in a Big Chief tablet with a crayon.

Author: Missing_kskd
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 3:21 pm
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Heh!!

(passes popcorn bowl to Entre)

I'm sorry, but I'm absolutely loving the political shift right now. To think, all that work building up an organization, only to see greed and corruption smack it down hard.

If the Republicans had been even a little bit like Statesmen, they could have enjoyed a very long and profitable majority.

Now it's a dirty word. It's actually every bit as dirty as they have tried to make LIBERAL seem to be.

I'm socially liberal and very proud of it. I can't even imagine having to navigate the ugly mess of taboos, bigotry and general guardedness that comes with all of that.

(I think people die earlier because of all that crap)

Fiscally, I'm split. Conservative in that I really don't like seeing taxes that do not deliver value. Split though, because I haven't seen privatization work worth a damn. Maybe Republicans believe in it, but don't have the strength of character to make it work right.

Maybe it just does not work.

Anyway, strong regulation aimed at making damn sure that private enterprise, providing necessary services, does not over exploit people, is the only way I want to go on that score.

Such an entertaining bunch of contradictions coming from Republicans right now. Too much fun watching people say government does not work, while supporting the biggest one we've ever had, and seeing it really not work!

Author: Trixter
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 6:56 pm
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Meow, Meow.

What... YOUR a pussy?

Author: Littlesongs
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 7:23 pm
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Great popcorn as always Missing. How is it that EN never gets hulls in her teeth? Always with the radiance, and never with the picking and such.

Liberal is a dirty word to some folks. Rumor has it that Bill O'Reilly spends thousands of dollars a month on a woman who dresses up like a hippie, beats his bottom with a hemp cat o' nine tails and calls him "liberal" over and over until his tiny snail comes out of hiding. Apparently, he has a very very small government.

Author: Entre_nous
Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 8:29 pm
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That's my first bowl! And damn, it is good :-)

LMAO at that visual, Littlesongs! Funny, all of a sudden, I smell Patchouli...


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