I was just checking the web for information on the numbers of people attending the Obama Rally in Tom McCall Waterfront Park. KOIN.com is reporting tens of thousands. Couldn't be happier!!! Given that John McCain held his most recent Portland area meet and greet in a hotel ballroom near the airport, I think things are looking up for the Democrats this fall. Happy days are here again!!!

I was just down there at 3 30 and I didnt see that many claimed.

You must not have been looking at the right part of the waterfront. I just returned from there and there were easily tens of thousands of people gathered to hear him speak. I heard some estimating 80,000, but Obama mentioned 30,000. Whichever the number, an impressive turnout by any measure.

We arrived at Broadway and Salmon at 12:00 and found a line that had snaked from the waterfront, through the streets of Portland to the West, then south down through the Park blocks and ending south of the Art Museum. That alone tells me tens of thousands of people attended.

KATU.com is reporting 50,000 people at today's Obama rally. Quite impressive.

I was at the Kerry rally four years ago, does anyone remember how big that was?

I got down there at about 1:15 and the line to get in was easily 20 blocks long snaking around the city. I decided to gamble and tried to get as close as I could without getting in. I ended up right under the Hawthorne Bridge where I could see Obama speaking (I was to his back) the audio was a tad spotty sometimes. Not as great of a view as I had hoped, but I had no idea how jam packed the area would be. I have never seen so many people in downtown Portland. I feel very confident in my prediction of Obama by 14 points, that I may raise it to 17 after what I saw today. Amazing!!!

KGW.com is reporting 75,000 people at the Obama rally. I'm so proud to be a Portlander. This is absolutely wonderful -- and simply amazing. We've lived under the tyrannical rule of King George for far too long. It's time for a REAL change – and Senator Barack Obama is the person to do it. Years of lies and deceit will make way for a president who embodies the best America has to offer – honesty, integrity and a bold vision that speaks to values discarded under the current regime.

Channel 2 is saying 75K as well. And I believe it. Downtown was nuts!

Channel 8 is saying 75K as well

Check out the pictures here

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/obama-draws-record-crowd-in-oregon /

That first picture is good.

That second picture doesn't even look real.( In a good way ).

That third picture will get a prize.

The most striking thing to me at the rally was the number of young, or relatively young, people there. Don't get me wrong, there were people of all ages (a lot of the youth I saw may or may not have been of voting age). but I can't see Hillary or McCain drawing that many young people to a rally.

What it says to me is the people of this country are saying the old guys have had their chance to run the country, and they failed, and it's time to hand the torch off to a younger generation.

Yep. We all deserve a chance like this.

Holy Crap..

That second picture..
I didn't know downtown could hold that may people!!!

Can you imagine being in the middle of that crowd and needing to go potty?

I agree with CJ! The first picture is very touching! I got kind of choked up.

I've driven over the Marquam bridge a million times during events; Race For The Cure, Rose Fest, Blues Fest, Doggie Dash, etc.. Today it was "Holy Crowd-O-Rama-Bama, Batman"!

Because:

a. I forgot and missed it.
b. It was hot and I would've needed to go potty with Baby M in tow.
c. I have NEVER seen so many people in downtown Portland in my entire life. Just an aisle of green grass up the middle, with a sea of color on either side. And lots of boats!

It was simply an amazing sight to see from afar.

I would loved to have attended. (I think I may know someone in the third pictures - they are great pics.) But I'm out of town til Monday night. And I've seen Obama three times now. Looks like a great event, though!

Andrew

I agree with you Mrs. Merkin, I have never seen a crowd like that in Portland. To put it in perspective, John Kerry drew 45,000 in 2004. For you, or anyone else who missed it, here is the video of the rally as well as a slideshow that I ran across. The crowd of 75,000 was also reported in the Washington Post and Baltimore Sun.

Mimicking Portlanders on a typical Sunday, Bill and Chelsea did some yard work and went out together for brunch. To paraphrase Tom McCall, I hope they enjoyed their visit.

Kudos to the photographer for the second shot. He took it at the best spot with a decent lens, and kept it tight. I didn't know that end of the park could handle a crowd of 75,000.

I used to take my lunch down there and eat outside quite often. I used to visually compare the space with other outdoor venues I used for different events, but heard that space could not handle more than 15,000. That's amazing.

I saw it today as well. Same bridge. The kids were just amazed at all the people. There was literally NO room at all left.

Here are some more shots

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/18/20037/6285/661/518011

LOVE the pix of the American Indian women in their regalia.

(Dang it Andrew! Would've loved to have seen yours!)

mc74 said: "I was just down there at 3 30 and I didnt see that many claimed."

This is pretty much par for the course for you.

I bicycled down and got there just in time to cozy up to the fire truck parked at Clay and Front in the SW corner of the bowl.
Sounded great. Couldn't see a whole heck of a lot. Caught the whole speech. Clearly the state should fare well under an Obama administration.

I think we impressed Obie and his family. I am so anticipating the joy brought by the further squashing of the GOP in 08 like in 06. They deserve to get their head handed to them. Never has a bigger group of thieving autocrats, led by plutocrat shrub, trashed the Constitution of the United States, told lies of paradigm extreme and generally trampled on the majority of Americans. Those of you that feel like me know that until we get our country back, every day has the potential for further evil at the hands of this administration. To those that don't feel about the same, I relish your dismay.

It was nice to see a reunion of the former followers of the Baghwan Shree Rajneesh.

The "Keep Portland Weird" folks are still the same- they'll fall for anything. . .

"Never has a bigger group of thieving autocrats, led by plutocrat shrub, trashed the Constitution of the United States, told lies of paradigm extreme and generally trampled on the majority of Americans."

Amen!

I was wondering what that smell coming from the river today was, figured it was the sewage overflow in the water but now it all makes sense.

I think Obi-Wan said it best..."You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious"

This seems to have turned out to be sort of the Oregon version of Woodstock. I wonder how many babies were born in the crowd?

Deane and Mc74, what's it like not to have a candidate running that you are excited about? That must suck for you! Helps me understand the sour grapes.

Andrew

Andrew, "excited" and "capable" are two different things. People would get "excited" about Harrison Ford running, especially right after they saw the new Indiana Jones movie. There would even be a some that got "excited" over Scott Peterson running.

There's a bit more to be leader of the free world than "excitement".

McCain is far from exciting, but he is safe. You can't say that for Obama.

Yep, he's the safe bet to help maintain those record profit's for the oil companies.

"Yep, he's the safe bet to help maintain those record profit's for the oil companies."

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

"McCain is far from exciting, but he is safe. You can't say that for Obama."

I see McCain as "Bush dangerous" and hardly safe.

Experience is crucial in leadership especially involving the office of the presidency. It's pretty astounding that the masses are just gravitating toward the mantra of "change"...we just want change!

Pretty shallow, weak, unwise, and a scary survey of (yesterdays) Obama rally(s).

McCain is an improvement over Bush for sure, but he's certainly not "safe." The guy has a temper and has clearly indicated he has no real reservations about getting America into even more wars.

Andrew

"he has no real reservations about getting America into even more wars."

McCain probably knows the downside of wars better than anyone. Just being "against war" is hardly a sustainable position. It's more of a naive position.

Yeah and being used to that impacts his value judgments in a negative way.

He's a Republican and he's running to keep Republicans relevant. Elect him, and all the crap that the Republican George W. Bush pulled is ok.

It's not ok.

"McCain probably knows the downside of wars better than anyone. Just being "against war" is hardly a sustainable position. It's more of a naive position."

You're right. He more than anyone should understand firsthand the ramifications of conducting an unjust war on false pretenses in a land where the people don't WANT us there.

So why the hell is he calling for "100 years in Iraq"??

GWB certainly had little experience to be President. And astoundingly he got elected twice.

McCain's "experience" I take with a grain of salt. Obama has been pretty classy in his appreciation of McCain's service to our country not only militarily but in government.

But McCain's time is up. Sometimes old school is the best school, but not in this case. Let Obama shake things up a bit. He'll make his mistakes but not to the degree Bush has and not to the total detriment of our country.

I was just down there at 3 30 and I didnt see that many claimed.

Was that after your first or second round of drinks?

I like that idea Chris.

A changing of the guard is in the air. Could be a great thing. At the very least it won't be the same thing we are dealing with now.

Smart wager.

"Elect him, and all the crap that the Republican George W. Bush pulled is ok. "

So, it's all about revenge. Great basis on which to elect the next President.


"McCain's "experience" I take with a grain of salt."

I wonder which of us would have had the fiber to handle being a POW as well as he did? Certainly not me. It's times like that you find out what someone is made of, not hanging out with Farrakhan, Wright and the Weather Underground dude (aka terrorist).

So, it's all about revenge. Great basis on which to elect the next President.

Like it was for you guys with DUHbya.


I wonder which of us would have had the fiber to handle being a POW as well as he did?

And that will make him a good Pres? YOUR side threw him UNDER the bus in 2000 and left him COMPLETELY out of anything in 2004. Now ALL of a sudden his is good enough for America?
COME ON!

Not at all Deane.

It's about not affirming that our current direction was or is a solid one to carry forward.

If we elect McCain, then we are saying the Republican party is a viable, solid choice for us over this next term.

That's just not the case, given the current state of the party right now.

Remember too, I was a registered Republican for many years. There are plenty of solid, real Republican values and ideas I think are very worthy of greater consideration.

We can't get there from here. Some party rebuilding has got to happen first.

"Remember too, I was a registered Republican for many years."

Some of us who aren't happy with the way things have been handled retain our core values and work to get things back on track. Others wave a white flag and join the enemy.

"Some of us who aren't happy with the way things have been handled retain our core values and work to get things back on track. Others wave a white flag and join the enemy."

Deane, I also am a registered Republican.

I don't call my dissention of the current adminstration and the disdain of the direction of this nation "waving a white flag". I call it being fed up and pissed off, and the partisanship and bickering and infighting is doing NOTHING to alleviate the problem.

Maybe getting outside of some of our core values and beliefs is necessary to get things back on track. This is why I support Obama. Certainly not for his liberal record economically, I disagree with him on many of those issues. He is the ONE candidate that can get past all of this partisan horseshit and get people together for the betterment of the United States.

Sometimes we have to put aside our core values and philosophies to some extent and look at the big picture here. We have an opportunity here to have that. Let's seize it and move forward.

"He is the ONE candidate that can get past all of this partisan horseshit"

That certainly remains to be seen.


"Sometimes we have to put aside our core values and philosophies"

Not me.

Can't rebuild unless there is sufficient pain to drive that effort.

Staying with the party isn't going to cut it, largely due to how it's been structured and administered.

The more prominent top-down heirachical structure, combined with all the UGLY promises made to the axe grinder base, constrain the party too much.

The numbers need to drop, current thought refuted, then build from there.

Sorry, but that's how it is.

Deane, calling the Democratic Party "the enemy".

That is exactly what we need to CHANGE. That attitude. We are all one country, one world, and we need to start working TOGETHER.

I feel sorry for Deane and all those who feel the way he apparently does. That is how we got into the mess we are in. I pray we can come together someday.

Good point Warner. I'd hate to see Bush or McCain not seek to negotiate with the Democrats for fear of being dubbed "appeasers".

Deane, your statement is exactly why I cannot vote for ANY Republican right now.

Now, to be clear, McCain wouldn't get the vote over Obama anyway. That's a moot issue.

The current party leaders and key members all continue to believe the problems are in execution or perception. You name it, the excuses are aired regularly, most often in the form of "Democrats, Liberals, etc..." obstructing, blocking, lying, cheating, etc...

There comes a time when perhaps it makes sense to revisit the ideas themselves, or more importantly, the newer ones and see what really didn't work.

Maybe, just maybe the movers and shakers in this were just wrong.

It happens.

The types of personalities that drive this stuff do not accept personal failure like that; therefore, they must just be removed, or the environment changed such that continuing to contribute is not a worthy value proposition for them.

From that point, the remaining Republicans can build a better party, or put one back together from elements that did work. Whatever works there.

That's accountability.

Had the party policed itself better, we wouldn't be here at all! But, it didn't. There was no accountability in the Congress, none in the courts, so that leaves the people, or if we don't do it, other nations and that's ugly.

This is for the greater good.

Come and listen to my story 'bout the GOP,
Led the country into war thanks to G.W.B.,
Then one day end of term drew near,
And the last 18% that liked him felt impending fear.

Big oil, and the Texas moron, over soon.

Well the next thing you know McSame is in the game,
Jettisoned his positions for a chance at fame,
Embraced the shrubs agenda, more war, more greed,
Fuck the middle class no matter what they need.

Yes my friends, McSame flops, say anything.

Well the Dem folk said, not gonna happen here,
Not a chance in hell for Republicans this year,
Look what happened in Mississippi, it's just the beginning
Of a Democratic landslide in Colorado and Virginny.

Redraw the map, move mountains.

Well the GOP is nervous, doubts they try to foment,
McSame keeps bellowing lies, when not in a senior moment,
The Democrats will kick ass, check the Vegas line,
President Obama, 1-20-09.

This is great!

Fun.

Is that the theme to "The Capitol Hill Bullies"?

Me think's Jethro is in the oval office!

""Sometimes we have to put aside our core values and philosophies"

Not me."

I notice that you only take PART of my quote there, and not the main point of it.

With all due respect Deane, it is the close-minded nearsightedness and partisanship exactly like what you are displaying that is the problem here.

We need to collectively be the SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM, not the problem! We can be proactive or reactive. Right now, we're in a reactive mode, letting things happen and reacting accordingly. And, we're losing our collectice asses because of it.

It's no different than in business. I've been in restaurant management for 15 years. Whenever the new kids on the block were opening up, I have always been faced with two choices: Being proactive, hammering the community and letting them know what I can do for them and minimalizing the effects of a grand opening and the loss of customers and chances to make a difference in the community, or I can be reactive, let them open and put their foot in that door that the community I have busted my butt to serve walk through into their door. I've always taken the former approach, and it has worked every single time.

The United States of America is at that crossroads. We have been REactive instead of PROactive for entirely too long, and look at the problems we have now because of it. Our standing in the world order is muddied. Many of our allies think less of us and trust us less, and our adversaries have a greater stake in our own future. Domestically is no better, we're in a recession by all accounts, the employment market is flat at best, the dollar is at record lows, the outsourcing continues unabated, the deficit is at record highs, inflation keeps creeping up, the housing market is flat on its butt right now, energy costs continue to skyrocket. Instead of getting results from our elected officials, and especially the President and his drive to be REactive instead of PROactive, we're getting grandstanding and stonewalling.

Do you really think that McCain, who I personally really like once again, is the man to spearhead that change? As much as I like him in many regards, he simply is not the man for the job at this time. We need drastic changes in the White House, not four more years of largely the same crap.

Actually Brian, I agree with about everything you said above. That list of problems we have is pretty accurate. It will be a herculean task to straigten them out.

I don't think we have a good choice for President. McCain is indeed a little old, but that's a notch better then too young. Obama is too inexperienced and the last thing we need is a "learn on the job" President. Hillary just doesn't count. Even the Democrats in DC are fed up with the Clintons.

As I said above, we don't have a good choice this time around. And, unfortunately, it goes beyond the Presidency. Congress isn't worth spit either.

I agree that it's going to take both the White House and Congress, TOGETHER, to make this thing work. No matter what party is in control of Congress, or who is in the White House.

It's happened before. Reagan did a masterful job of working with a Democratic Congress for the betterment of the country. Love him or loathe him, I think most in here would agree with that assessment. The best thing that happened to the Clinton administration was the 1994 Republican Revolution; Clinton was PROactive in reaching some very positive, bipartisan legislation agreement with a freshly Republican Congress. In both instances, all sides were willing to work together for the cause of the whole.

George W. Bush might go down as one of the most divisive Presidents in history. He really had a chance to make the best of a bad situation for the GOP by working together with the Democratic-controlled Congress after the 2006 election cycle. Instead, it's been almost two years of absolutely nothing worthwhile being done. And while, yes, some of the blame can be pointed at Congress and some of the reactive folks there (the Feinsteins and Teddy Kennedys and their ilk), a lot of it goes squarely on the shoulders of Dubya.

Maybe if we elect the one person who is most likely to be that proactive go-getter, things will be done. Remember, Bill Clinton didn't have a ton of experience, and ZERO experience working with Congress whatsoever or any other national matters, and his Presidency turned out okay in the grand scheme of things.

"Bill Clinton didn't have a ton of experience, and ZERO experience working with Congress whatsoever or any other national matters, and his Presidency turned out okay in the grand scheme of things."

Didn't he have a Republican Congress? I've sort of forgotten.

Sorry to be the one to re-inform you, Deane, that your argument just doesn't carry water. If history is a guide, political experience does not translate into success in the Oval Office.


http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/03/post_3.html

http://www.showmenews.com/2008/Apr/20080427Comm006.asp

Whether or not you agree with everything in those two articles is not the point. The point is simply there is no precursor for success in politics, and to condemn choices because they do not meet your likings should be based on a solid reason. No experience does not meet that criteria. Other presidents have taken office in tough times and done well regardless of their level of experience. Currently, the president came to power in relatively average times and made things worse. There is no escaping the problems you acknowledged, and they are all problems created, exacerbated or ignored by this administration.

Also, don't assume that because YOU think we do not have a good choice that there aren't many others whom think WE do.

Andy

"Also, don't assume that because YOU think we do not have a good choice that there aren't many others whom think WE do."

I'm certainly aware of that, but that doesn't make you right. Hell, why don't we see if Mick Jagger is available. He could really get some excitement going (he is still alive isn't he?).

That is a perfect example of your dismay I referred to in an early post in this thread. No, a pile of affirmative evidence doesn't make me right, but it dwarfs your showing by a country mile.

Andy, I think where the problem is would be in the basic ideology. Many shallow voters go for whomever gives them good vibes without thinking about what they stand for and what their election means. Hell, Hitler did that for his folks, so much for surface impressions. Castro even did it to the US back in the late 50s and we now know what he really stood for.

Obama is the most liberal, the most socialist member of the Senate. Alarm bell anybody?

McCain is too liberal for most conservatives, including me.

Clinton really doesn't count except to her core group.

That leaves us with no good alternatives. McCain is the least harmful of the bunch. I don't care how smooth Obama is, I don't care how beautiful his voice is, I don't care how nice a frame he has around his Harvard diploma, I can't support a socialist. Liberalism has never been successful anywhere.

Bushism is even less successful!

Deane when's the last time you have been outside of the US, not counting Canada and Mexico? Have you lived anywhere else besides the US?

Where has "Liberalism" been unsuccessful?

"Where has "Liberalism" been unsuccessful?"

Russia, Cuba, France, Sweden, North Korea to name a few.

Now, how about you naming somewhere it has been successful. That would be a better exercise.

How do you know it was liberalism?

"How do you know it was liberalism?"

Well, it sure wasn't conservatism.

That didn't answer my question Deane.

So Obama scares you because he is so liberal.

You know, you righties need a shot of liberalism to get you back to reality. 7 plus years of Bush has put you all in a perpetual state of "looney."

Where has conservatism been successful? If the past 7 years are any indication, it sure hasn't been the United States. Even the Reagan/Bush years endured a near disastrous stock market crash, double-digit inflation rates and a recession. Not exactly the results worth bragging about.

IMHO..

What we're experiencing now, is the results of Capitalism with the regulations put in place after the last Republican Great Depression relaxed.

Ed posted a link here a while back about media bias and how it related to what average Americans think.

On many issues, a very substantial percentage of the nation is at least centrist, if not left, meaning "most liberal in the senate", which is false BTW, isn't that scary.

Dono: Exactly. The ideology running at it's peak right now, started with Reagan! It's done it's harm, now it's time for some real change. That effort is now old news, didn't work, done.

There are some total security issues here. The biggest one being that MAYBE some approach other than hard ass right, MIGHT JUST WORK OUT FINE.

Once it does, it's all over for a good long time.

I, for one, need to see if that's the case. Been living under that crap for a while now. Time to change the guard and see, for real, how it all could go.

Again, given the state of things here right now today, it's hard to imagine being worse off.

That makes Obama a very smart wager.

Really interested in making the nation run better? Step up and vote Obama then. He is going to change things, he operates differently, he's not owned by the usual suspects.

Either it works well or it doesn't. Either way, we learn what is needed, or best case have what is needed, for improvement and growth.

Staying the course isn't gonna do that. That's a known fact being demonstrated to us, every waking moment.

---->Besides, there is a clear difference between this neo-conservatism and real conservatism.

Real conservatives are not bigots, theocrats, racists, sexists, etc... None of us need those people running things. The Republican party is bolstered by the 23 percenters, NOBODY ELSE GETS ALONG WITH.

The strategy employed to get us here was to cultivate the vote of every body that had an axe to grind. Has it occurred to anybody that the same kind of mind that would do that would be very likely to do it for their own ends and not ours?

These transactional politics (and I don't know what else to call them) do for me and i'll try and do for you deals we get today, combined with divisive issues seem like a total three card monty shell game.

I think we are being played and so does Obama. It's totally worth it to find out if he's right.

"That didn't answer my question Deane."

You didn't answer mine, so I guess we're even.

Referring to North Korea, Russia, and Cuba as examples of places "liberalism" has failed takes the cake for the dumbest comment ever. EVER!! Are kidding me?? Cuba, Russia, North Korea...liberal??

Seriously Deane, when I read garbage like that it's apparent that you're not intellectually capable having any credibility with what you spew out of your head, because you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

And, to think anyone that votes for Obama is "shallow" is just another example of your own shallowness as a person.

Lots of places this could go. Maybe they were bad liberals or conservatives.

Hell, I like good conservatives. I think most people do. Like good liberals too. Again, if you met one of these solid people on the street, or they were your neighbor, it wouldn't be a scary thing right?

I sure don't think so.

Deane, I hear you lament about how it's mostly crap with both parties. Obama agrees with you, BY THE WAY.

Maybe it's also safe to say the extremes both economic and social are not a good idea. That's four quadrants of potential directions to pursue across a very wide range of topics.

Picture your high school graph, origin at the center, with lots of colored lines of varying lengths and directions radiating out from the center.

Picture those as best fit solutions, given the parameters of the issue any given line represents.

I think if we could build such a graph, honestly, they would clump along various paths that resonate where there are common elements to problems and issues.

I also think that multiple solutions are possible, given how other problems are solved.

If we have good people, interested in forcing our elected and representative government into finding those by actually deliberating their different ideas, we are gonna see some come out of the chute that might actually be right --right as in solid, works for people, not horrible kind of solid.

This isn't going to happen with Clinton or McCain, and it isn't going to happen with established players of all kinds. It's gonna happen with somebody that is not owned, does not have the ties that bind them to specific outcomes based on god knows what deals over time.

IMHO, this is a part of what Obama was talking about when he said Reagan was transformational. I don't recall him having any vast bundle of experience, but he sure could sell ideas, couldn't he?

Damn right he could.

Now, Obama can do that too.

One of his primary ideas is to get some of the dollars and with them the back room dealing out of Washington. Change how it works.

This is what we need, or we are not going to see any of those potential paths even realized because they won't be discussed because the whole works is locked up, game set, match.

If that environment does come to pass, good conservative ideas will be posted up along with good libertarian ones, liberal ones and other ones.

Compared to the mess we've got now, that's not a bad thing.

What? Afraid that the conservative stuff won't stand up?

I'm not.

How many people are sick of government growth and waste? Most everybody. That's conservative and you can bet that topic is gonna hit the table.

How many people want the government out of their bedroom? Most everybody. That's gonna hit the table too.

I posted both of those to illustrate where there are two very different issues, different dynamics and thus differing ideologies where the best path might lie.

We need this. We need it more than to fear what it might bring.

Kick back, grab your popcorn and wonder if you get to gloat over "I told you so" as most of us have over this administration, or crunch on it, while watching that nice flat screen, and go "wow, who would have thought?"

It's just not that scary of a proposition. In fact, it's exactly as scary as you think it is and a whole lot of time and money are being spent to convince you it is exactly that times two.

Ignore them, watch some movies, go hassle your kids, grand kids, whatever.

No need to fear change from a very low position because there is little to lose. You know this, I know this. Why even pretend it's not reality then?

Philosophies and core values in politics. If we follow the model of the past few years, the Republicans have failed themselves miserably on all fronts. They talk a big game about being fiscally responsibly, but instead they spend the public’s money like drunken sailors on shore leave. Then of course they play the “we’re more astute in international affairs” than the Democrats card. Well, let’s look at the facts. The war in Iraq. Our failures there go without saying. America’s most wanted fugitive, Osama bin Laden, is still on the run. The Middle East is a mess, and it takes George W. Bush 7 years to decide that engagement on the part of the US is necessary. Our standing in the world is in the toilet, and our leadership is the laughing stock of the world.

I think it’s time for a change. And too, I would think that most conservatives would be embarrassed and ashamed of their Republican leadership. George W. Bush is a dimwit. He should have never been elected president, and I think history will bear that out.

PS: It took the United States less than a decade to land a man on the moon once the call was set forth by John F. Kennedy. But George W. Bush, brilliant military strategist extraordinaire, can't find Osama bin Laden in roughly the same amount of time? I think the joke is on the American people for electing this moron.

Anyone else notice the lack of black men or women at the Obama rally? Hell look at the frontpage of the O, Its like a wheres Waldo. I see maybe two black people.

Thats a good thing Mc

Ya know of all those people down there I bet alot of them were down there for the same reason I was.

It was the first sunny hot day in Portland in months and a crowd draws a larger crowd. I was actually having lunch and walked over to see what the drama was all about.

Wait till McSame gets here. All 14 of the people at his rally will be drinking Ensure and changing their Depends.

Ah because he is old..I see, old people drink ensure and wear diapers.

You should work for SNL..Speaking of such did anyone see McCain on SNL?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuk-aqaBc2I

Very funny stuff.

" It was the first sunny hot day in Portland in months and a crowd draws a larger crowd. I was actually having lunch and walked over to see what the drama was all about."

Oh yeah - you always see 60K people eating lunch in the park, standing on their feet, while people on bridges watch you eat your lunch, holding signs for Obama. The news reports of this rally were probably not seen by anybody either, It was wholly a surprise and unscheduled. Yeah. I'm sure that was it. It was just a coincidence that Obama showed up. Or it was a TRICK to capture you. I came for the hackey-sack tournament, but I stayed to see the next President of the United States.

GOTCHA! Now go vote for Obama again.

No. You know what you get in a situation like that? You get a visit to Mothers Bistro and get a little gardening work done. And a free ticket to the Oregon Zoo for Chelsea. But then you have to work on your practicing of a Kentucky accent in a few hours. Better hurry, y'all.

" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuk-aqaBc2I

Very funny stuff."

Really? Did you think it was really funny? I thought it was uncomfortable with shades of James Stockdale all over again.

I thought the material was good and he had the guts to be self-effacing. I espicially liked the Gaydar jokes. While hardly a scandal, having a republican make any gay joke ( that they weren't directly involved in ) had to boost that votership, eh? People LOVE gay jokes from Republicans! LOVE them!

Not bad, at least we know he can read.

Last time I checked I was not eating lunch with 60 thousand people.

I was just saying that I could not have been the only one who walked over because of the crowd.

And yes I thought it was funny.

But I understand why you posted what you did, its what you do.

Good. Now you know.

Now vote Obama.

No. Voted for Clinton to keep this train wreck of a party going for a few months more.

Thank me later.

Oh, well, you'll lose twice then, I guess. But I understand, it's what you do.

Sounds like Mc74 followed Rush Limbaugh's orders to the Bunda.

Check out the big brain on Talpdx!

Give the boy a cookie.


Now go back to your make believe radio program nobody listens to.

What's Bunda?

I thought McCain on SNL was funny. He needs to do more of that stuff.

Oh, was that last line for me?

If it was, I can tell you that I have more people listening to me than you have listening to you. Both of them.

your mother and father dont count. hahahha


what station are you on?

A fake one. Don't worry your pretty little head. It's not for you. You'd hate it.

Internet radio. I tried to listen but I could never quit figure out what the hell was going on.

Its not bad, More then what I could do.(or want to)

McSame on SNL was about as funny as most of your posts Mc....

NOT GOOD!

McSame on SNL was about as funny as a POST!