Check out one of Obama's books from the public library and verify the quotes if you like…


From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

From Dreams of My Father: ; 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela.'

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'


And you libs are so sure this guy is electable. I think there's room for a little doubt when full scrutiny is focused on this guy in the general election.

Sounds like a pretty thoughtful guy, giving us a rare glimpse at his inner struggles. Sure would have been easier to paper it over with some BS about races getting along or something, huh? Can you imagine George W. Bush being so honest and forthright about his struggles like this?

Republicans in Mississippi learned the hard way that running ads tying your Democratic opponent to Obama will help, not hurt the opponent.

Andrew

DJ, obviously you haven't actually READ the book(s)!

Cherry-picking a few (6) out-of-context sentences from someone else's list is lame. Frankly, I (used to) expect better from you.

You should actually read the books.

He is a very scary man and he's running for President and many people are supporting him only...only because they are hearing this word "change"...that should not be the statement or question...it's what change I want to take the country and to that he has not been very specific. I am hopeing and praying the real truth will fully come out to all Americans for both candidates...fair and square!

Those are scary quotes, Deane. Wait until Mr. Rove sees those.

Herb

Broadway

Please share with us what actually is the "the real truth" that you are "hopeing" will "fully come out"?

I am so excited to find out what you know!

Broadway, Deane isn't running for president - Obama is. So no need to be scared!

Andrew

Deane,

For someone who usually prides in quickly dismissing news articles or quotes because they might've been taken out of context or there might be more to the story, it does seem out of character for you to pass off a few quotes as legitimate reasons to question Obama's electability.

But wait, it's because this time the supposed damning evidence is used against a democrat, so then it must be true.

The spirit of my statement is "futuristic". I don't claim to know any future political data...that would make me prophet. My only concern is that Americans will not be lied to.
1 Corinthians 13:6
It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out

"Sounds like a pretty thoughtful guy, giving us a rare glimpse at his inner struggles."

I don't question his honesty and openness. I question what they say about the thinking and instincts of the man as President. Add this to his gravitation towards terrorists, anti-Americans and anti-whites and I'm suggesting when this all gets packaged for the American people to see, he is not electable.


DJ, obviously you haven't actually READ the book(s)!

Cherry-picking a few (6) out-of-context sentences from someone else's list is lame. Frankly, I (used to) expect better from you.

You're right, I haven't read them and I don't plan to. There are a number of quotes here. All out of context? I doubt it.

Maybe my (very) staunch Republican MIL will loan you hers. She read 'Dreams of My Father' for her book group before Obama was even running and highly recommended it (both, actually) of them to me.

"I haven't read them and I don't plan to. There are a number of quotes here. All out of context? I doubt it."

But you're not willing to invest the time to educate yourself?

My dad has read Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope." My dad enjoyed getting to know Obama through that book.

Deane if you're looking for the real Obama you might want to read it, then you can bellyache all you want.

More race baiting by Deane the old white bigot. Did you learn those quotes from watching Hannity? You and Hannity have a lot in commmon: You're bigoted, ignorant, and scared to death of black people who are smarter and more likable than you. If the best you can do is rummage up quotes from when he was a 12 year old, good luck winning any elections this fall. And, I would say that Obama derangement syndrome is setting in on Hannity. All he can do is talk about the same things when it comes to Obama. It proves how afraid he is.

As Andrew said, the race baiting and smearing may work on the weakest minds out there, such as you, Broadway, and Herb, but as evidenced in both Mississippi and Louisiana, it won't work for the general public, which as a majority, will elect Obama to be our President.

Broadway and Deane, since you never are willing to actually talk about things that you post, no matter how many times I try and get you to do so, I'm just going to move on with the note that each of you embody the exact thing that most people are sick of for The United States. You can't discuss, you can only announce and imply. You can't rise to any intellectual, spiritual or moral challenge. You offer nothing. Nothing.

It's a flaw. Work on it.

( Although it should be noted that I am doing the very thing that I hate; Trying to shame you into making an effort to see a different perspective. Which never works. But since you each seem to only use and respond to that tactic, I figured I'd try and use your own vernacular to do it. Speak your language...and it makes me feel rotten inside. But it's only temporary, I think ).

Vitalogy, when all else fails, trot out the race card. Liberals favorite fall back position.

I assume this is going to be the liberal desperation attempt where Obama is concerned. The slogan will be "Vote for Obama or you're a Bigot".

Since he doesn't have a resume, no experience with anything, and an anti-American wife, it will take something to get him across the finish line.

Deane, uh, did you read your first post?

If you aren't implying that Obama is a racist because he is black, then what ARE you implying?

"when all else fails, trot out the race card."

Uh, pardon me, but you were the creator of this thread that is using the race card.

Obama has a resume, experience with plenty of things, and his wife is not anti-American. You are simply saying these things because you can't debate the issues. And when people can't debate the issues, they have nothing to offer.

I would say that his writings would indicate he has historically been a racist.

Too further support this possibility, he historically hangs out with such thugs as Farrakhan, Rev Wright and that ilk, all very vocal racists.

What conclusions could you draw from all of this?

The only conclusion I can draw is that you (and Hannity) are so desperate to smear someone that you must accuse a black person of being a racist, when there is ZERO evidence. Pathetic.

Like I said, when one can't debate the issues people stand for, they smear. It's all you got!

It seems to me that his own statements might add up to a bit more than ZERO. Than you add the people he gravitates towards as associates, friends and mentors, and you get a even further above ZERO.

I think you Obama supporters are in for some major frustrations in the upcoming campaign.

>>I think your Obama supporters are in for some major frustrations in the upcoming campaign.

as us radio geeks say...

"SPOT ON" DJ

hey...we need more of your like this side of pdxradio please!

Actually, I heard Deane once dropped Herb off at a birth clinic for an abortion. Here is a direct quote from his book:

"It was then I knew Herb could never deliver on the promises he made. We didn't really fit well together, and the child to be held no hope of either of us changing. When we decided to end it, we knew the fetus must be aborted. The pointed ears showed on the ultrasound. We couldn't have a zionist in the family, what would Uncle Charles Manson say?"

.... quoted from "Me, myself and Herb: Long Journey To Wealth" by D. Johnson.

" What conclusions could you draw from all of this? "

I conclude that he is not a racist and that you are reaching to try and make me think he is.

And I conclude that he will be our next President and nothing will ever come to fruition that is racist. And once again, you will be wrong.

Only one slight difference. Obama's words were written by Obama. Deane's words were written by Andy.

"I conclude that he is not a racist"

Walk me through how you reach this conclusion.

And the following numbers were generated by thousands of voters.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccai n_vs_obama-225.html

And remember, McSame has had a pretty unencumbered two months to spew his lies and juxtapositions while the Democrats go to the primary polls to vote.

The Republicans acknowledge they have a tough road ahead. But all Republicans aren't right wing racists. The right wingers can't debate with decorum. They only know one tactic which is composed of lies, slander, pandering to fears and most cretinous of all, proselytizing about white Christian America.

Don't believe me, just pick up a newspaper. Any newspaper.

"They only know one tactic which is composed of lies, slander, pandering to fears and most cretinous of all, proselytizing about white Christian America."

Don't hold back Andy, let it all out.

I said - "I conclude that he is not a racist"

Deane said - " Walk me through how you reach this conclusion."

No.

No, Deane, I have to reserve the best for later.

You like to drop by with a cut and paste post from one of your favorite right wing racist blogs just to try and stir up emotions.
Go back and read your initial post in the thread. Clearly, this is exactly what I am referring to. It's a free country, and you can post your drivel to your hearts content. Just don't expect us all to bite on your crap. In fact, you hang here because you enjoy unnerving some of the more reactive folks that like MOST OF THE COUNTRY do not feel anything like you do about this election. The fact that you have already demonstrated your racist tendencies and fascist leanings (aka Herbism) only makes it more entertaining for us.

Let me guess, a few old somebodies in these parts hoisted cold ones and celebrated 40 years ago on April 4th. What a glorious day for bigotry. Did you celebrate the anniversary too? Still nursing the hangover? Rather than parading around in your nice white sheets, why not tuck them under your chin and have a nap. A nice long nap.

Carrying the cross is not Christian if you are just gonna burn it on a lawn. Touting your long life of experience is a moot point if those years did not teach you anything. If you think his message is unclear, or you need more information, find it. In the meantime, do us all a favor and keep your antique apartheid ideals to yourself.

All I did was quote the man himself and you guys go ballistic. You feel his own words are racist.

You didn't quote Obama. Somebody else did and you copied and pasted it because you yourself wouldn't bother to research or read a book by Barack Obama. What we go "ballistic" over is your narrowness, not what you posted. Get it right.

I don't see an awful lot of racism in those quotes. I see a person who is trying to reconcile what its like for a person of mixed race to live in this country.

If you are interpreting those quotes to be racist, then you must have a thorough understanding of what it is like to be a minority in this country. But I seriously doubt you do.

Deane, where did you copy those quotes from? You've already said that you won't read his books, so just tell me where you got them.

"Deane, where did you copy those quotes from? You've already said that you won't read his books, so just tell me where you got them."

No

I'm sure he heard it from Hannity. Sean Hannity is on a personal mission to brand Obama as an anti-American, anti-jew, anti-white, racist, terrorist loving radical. And dipshits like Deane see it on TV or hear it on the radio and get scared. Old white people in this nation have a tendancy to be threatened by black people who are perfectly capable of holding high office. The less educated and informed, the higher the tendancy.

The quotes themselves are not racist. In fact, I think they are very thoughtful and impressive. The way Deane is using these quotes in an attempt to smear Obama is what's racist about them.

I used to have some respect for Deane with his past business accomplishments and whatnot, but this is over the top. This is the kind of crap I would expect to hear from groups like the KKK.

Wow! I dared raise questions about the Messiah. Quick, kill the messenger.

No messages from you are worth the light of day, for no other reason other than your personal track record.

You know you're on the right course, Deane when leftists attack you.

I'm kind of a Rodney King fan and often wonder why we can't all get along....but from this radical bunch, I'd be cautious if there was a tad more Kum-Bah-Yah.

Herb

Spoken like the true fascist whom thinks he has a "following."

Being anti-socialist, anti-Marxist and pro-American does draw a few detractors from time to time, especially from around Portland, Berkeley and Boulder. I wear the distinction with pride. Having Vitalogy attack me is the true high point of my day.

How one Republican sees it:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/32459

"How one Republican sees it:"

We have to have at least one loony-tune. Give us that much.

Yeah, one. George the shrub. Case closed.

"We have to have at least on loony-tune."

Well, We've exceeded our RDA here!

" Wow! I dared raise questions about the Messiah. Quick, kill the messenger."

No. We are killing the message - but from where it comes is apparently a secret. So if you want us to focus on the message, then cite the source. I don't need to go to the library and verify the quotes. I read the books and never took away what you are saying I should have taken away from those quotes. Frankly, I don't remember reading them like that. But I don't have perfect recollection - so if you are saying I should read them with a different bias, then it would help to know from where that bias stems. Otherwise, using your logic, I could take any passages from his books that speak to the opposite of what you claim and you'd just have to giev that MORE weight becasue I actually read the books.

But you won't.

Which chips away at your credibility.

"...when all else fails, trot out the race card."

He's also half white, dumbass!

LMAO.

That is extremely funny to me.

Deane_johnson:
We have to have at least one loony-tune. Give us that much.

AT LEAST?????????????????????????????????????????

The Republicans are at it again, playing their ace in the hole, the race card. Sounds like the GOP will trot out Jesse Helms to sing “Whistling Dixie” and hand out white sheets and matching hoods to the delegates at the GOP convention in Minneapolis – all the while renowned bigot and evangelical Christian Rev. Fred Phelps will do the opening invocation. Sounds like lots of love, evangelical Christian style with heaping helping of good old GOP politics. The two work so well together. And too, maybe they can raise Lee Atwater from the dead and he can use his bag of racist dirty tricks to rally the Bunda, I mean the base.

Again, the GOP is in the toilet. They failed their test of leadership under the corrupt demagogues George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. From fiscal policy to international affairs, the Butcher of Crawford and company is the laughing stock of the world. Bush, like the GOP, is increasing irrelevant this election cycle. Next, the GOP will use advertising designed to appeal to KKK types to scare the electorate into voting against Obama. But we’ve seen their dirty tricks over and over – the GOP is a one trick pony. It won’t work. Maybe the evangelical right will do the right and honorable thing and abandon its support of the discredited liar and morally repugnant George W. Bush and find faith with a man of true and abiding faith and courage, Barack Obama.

"And too, maybe they can raise Lee Atwater from the dead and he can use his bag of racist dirty tricks to rally the Bunda, I mean the base."

Shouldn't be hard to do. I'm sure the GOP is bloated with individuals who can communicate with "the other side".

"maybe they can raise Lee Atwater from the dead"

That would be Karl Rove.
Lee Atwater without the death bed conscience.

We have to have at least one loony-tune. Give us that much.

The EXTREME side is FULL of loony-tunes!

Pat Robertson comes to mind.