http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html

McCain is toast

Not as long as the left continues their Battle Royale.

They're damaging their chances far better than Mr. McCain could. And a lot cheaper than what Mr. McCain would have to spend to get 'er done.

Herb

Hardly. The Democrats continue to add thousands of voters to the rolls EVERY DAY while the GOP's rate of registering voters is flat at best. This is about sheer numbers. McCain does not stand a chance.

Ha!

"Voters seem to care about the name-calling and the tackles. In a recent Gallup poll, almost 30 percent of Clinton supporters say they'd go for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., over Obama if Clinton loses the nomination; 19 percent of Obama supporters say the same."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=4534607&page=1

McCain is the weakest candidate the Republican’s have fielded since Barry Goldwater. Once the dust settles, I’m VERY confident the Democratic nominee will do a fine job presenting an affirmative agenda for change in America – while McCain will be forced to run on the failed record of the Bush presidency. From the war to recession, Bush’s legacy leaves McCain with little chance of victory. Happy days are here again. Thank you George W. Bush for proving your worth as the worst president since Warren G. Harding.

If you believe the result of that poll, I've got a great car to sell you originally from New Orleans.

Gallup as reported by ABC:

"In a recent Gallup poll, almost 30 percent of Clinton supporters say they'd go for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., over Obama if Clinton loses the nomination; 19 percent of Obama supporters say the same."

Shoot the messenger all you want.

The left is in a death spiral and this is before republicans even begin running campaign ads. Wait until Mr. Rove returns to work.

Talk about crash and burn, baby, burn.

Herb

“The left is in a death spiral”. Well, I look no further than the campaign stops of Senators Obama and Clinton in Oregon to take issue with that assessment. Capacity crowds with standing room only. The best McCain can do in Oregon is a $1000 a person fundraiser in an airport hotel ballroom. I’m sure the protesters will outnumber McCain supporters, hands down.

New voters will be little consolation when nearly a third of them defect to Mr. McCain.

Not only is the left in a death spiral.

In their pathetic attempts to deny the reality of polls and their own democrat split, the left is in a spin spiral, as well.

Herb

At long last Herb,

Have you no brains sir?

Herb has converted to a new religion - he is now a Rovian. Their mantra: take the greatest strength of your enemy and spin it as their greatest weakness. Worked in 2000, and again in 2004. In 2008, that dog won't hunt.

Naw, for all his good points, Mr. Rove is a tad left of centre for me.

Phyllis Schlafly makes him look like a liberal.

Herb

Herb writes:

Naw, for all his good points, Mr. Rove is a tad left of centre for me.


Centre? Isn't that the european way of spelling it? Europe where they are godless socialists? Is there something you aren't telling us Herbie?

A major part of Karl Rove's 2004 Republican Majority strategy was bringing new voters into the Republican fold. As evidenced by the most telling information to date, many of these voters are defecting in large numbers, with significant numbers re-registering as Democrats. This doesn’t include the all the new voters the Democrats have signed up since the beginning of the 2008 primary season.

Again, John McCain is in the worst possible position as the presumptive Republican nominee for president. The economy is in the tank, the financial services sector is awash in bad debt, the war lingers on, the country has been deferring payment on the an accumulated war debt of nearly $650 billion dollars, Osama bin Laden is still at large, the price of gas and food is through the roof, and George W. Bush, with Dick Cheney holding his sheet music, plays his fiddle as Rome burns.

"Europe where they are godless socialists?"

Naw, not any more since Monsieur Chirac is gone.

Mr. Sarkozy is a friend of America.

I lifted my personal French boycott when Chirac left office. I'm not so much into horse meat, but they do have some good wine.

Viva la France!

Herb

>>Bush most despised president in history

What's interesting is that...that was what the liberal press was saying about Reagan in his last term as President.

The left is all about despising.

They're the sour grapes party.

Herb

What's even more interesting is that there are still 28% out there that actually approve of Bush. It's staggering how many idiots live in this country.

He got the job done.

No homeland attacks since 9/11 and partial birth abortion is now illegal.

Herb

Except, when you consider his ENTIRE term, he allowed a pretty big attack on his watch. Contrary to popular belief among Bush apologists, his presidency DIDN'T start on 9/12/01. It started 8 months before.

Talk about revisionist history!

"He got the job done.

No homeland attacks since 9/11 and partial birth abortion is now illegal."

That's not saying much, especially when shrub was against the whole idea of Homeland Security and basically has underfunded that department. Part of that blame goes to the Republican Congress during the first years after 9/11.

No " attacks " during the Democrat controlled Congress either. They get the credit for that?

The Anthrax isn't an attack?

Thought so.

Well, I blame Canada for that. So no.

Democrats “the party of sour grapes”. I have to respectfully disagree. Republicans are in serious denial. They had their chance and they blew it. Karl Rove’s dream of a Republican majority has gone up in smoke. Even with a primary fight, the Democratic candidates for president look head and shoulders better than John McCain. I can’t wait to see either Hillary Clinton or Barck Obama debate John McCain on the issues. It should be interesting.

WOW!
Herb BS is getting deeper!

Stop the drama, vote Obama.

Be a fool and vote for McTool!

Nicely done, and welcome Jwindus!

Herb's not quite square, more like a rhombus.

Why thank you.

I may be more like a rhombus, but I didn't vote for Mitt.

Herb

Let me guess....

"You don't carry WATER for Mitt"

http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=4862

or Ted Kennedy, either.

http://www.ytedk.com/

Herb

But you carry a whole sewer plant for Nixon.

Amazing!

And that plant smelled like POOP! Just like his administration and that's why Nixon was a wuss and ran screaming from office instead of stand tall and take on Congress. What a pussy!

Trixter, Mr. Nixon was twice the man you or I will ever be.

And thank your lucky stars he was our president.

Herb

"Mr. Nixon was twice the man you or I will ever be.

And thank your lucky stars he was our president. "


Utter and complete horseshit. Total nonsense. Nixon was a pariah.
Nixon was the most evil mofo to ever hold the highest office in this country. His anti-semitic ways, his total disregard for the people of the nation, his lies, his total disregard for anyone but himself clearly demonstrates what an asshole of a person he was. But hey, don't take my word for it.

In his memoirs Nixon declared that to achieve his ends the "institutions" of government had to be "reformed, replaced or circumvented. In my second term I was prepared to adopt whichever of these three methods — or whichever combination of them — was necessary."
Sidney Blumenthal in The Guardian (9 June 2005)

Richard Nixon was the most dishonest person I ever met in my entire life.
Barry Goldwater

Boys, I may not know much, but I know chicken shit from chicken salad.
Lyndon B. Johnson, to reporters after hearing a Nixon speech.

Do you realize the responsibility I carry? I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House.
John F. Kennedy, during the 1960 presidential campaign.

He was captured by TV, that was how he tried to connect with the American people. One of the few times I've met him was at Pompidou's funeral, right before the end. There was a TV in the church. He [Nixon] had a half-centimetre-thick layer of pancake, or make-up, because there could be TV-cameras around. It looked completely macabre, you could barely see the face. I was conversing with him, and it was like speaking to a mask.
Former Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme.

The President wants me to argue that he is as powerful a monarch as Louis XIV, only four years at a time, and is not subject to the processes of any court in the land except the court of impeachment.
James D. St. Clair, Richard Nixon's counsel, arguing before the Supreme Court

If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin.
Hunter S Thompson.

The kind of guy that could shake your hand and stab you in the back at the same time.
Hunter S Thompson.

I've been called worse things by better people.
Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau on hearing that he had been called "that asshole" by Nixon.

Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in.
Harry S. Truman

Nixon is a shifty-eyed goddamn liar. He's one of the few in the history of this country to run for high office talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and lying out of both sides.
Harry S. Truman

Of course, this is in addition to all my other anti-Nixon evidence and I am pretty sure I haven't repeated but a few quotes and definitely have not repeated articles.

The preponderance of the evidence is:

Nixon was evil reincarnate. Nothing he accomplished was in the interest of the nation, rather in his own self interest. Nixon was a liar and a crook. Nixon was the most miserable excuse for a president that ever held the office. The shrub may be a dumb shit and a lousy president, but at best his dismal record by itself does not win him the WPE prize. Nixon, in fact, had the intelligence, misguided as it was, to achieve progress in a few areas, but it is important to note that whatever he did to the positive was not, repeat not for America, it was for Richard Nixon. He knew he was doing wrong. The shrub on the other hand had gotten the country in a whole heap of trouble without the gift of intelligence. Makes you wonder.

But that's OK Herb, every time you post your admiration for Nixon, sleazebag that he was, I will find new quotes, new articles, and you can bet your crucifix they won't agree with your muttonheaded praise of the foulest human to ever hold an elected office.

As long as I can recall, I’ve been fascinated with Richard Nixon. Not sure why, but certainly Watergate has had much to do with my fascination. I still enjoy watching “All the President’s Men”.

Given the positive things he accomplished in the name of international policy, his abuse of power dwarfs the good. He and members of his staff engaged in such bold illegalities that to paper over this would be unfair to honest people everywhere. And to make the argument that other presidents engaged in the same conduct is absurd -- with the exception of Warren G. Harding. But his failings had more to do with corrupt cabinet officers and perhaps staff. To think that when he died, he was mourned as a hero. But once the truth about the conduct of some in his administration was revealed, the public soured on him quickly.

I do feel that it was in the national interest that President Ford pardoned Nixon. Had he allowed Nixon to stand trial for his illegal activities while in office, it would have prolonged an already miserable situation.

Nixon is dead, Do not care about his politics but this does remind me why Democrats loose elections.

"Nixon is dead, Do not care about his politics but this does remind me why Democrats loose elections."

You're right, he is dead.

It's also very important to remember what happened. When history is ignored, it is all too often repeated.

"Given the positive things he accomplished in the name of international policy, his abuse of power dwarfs the good."

Not really.

Mr. Nixon's strident anti-communist stance protected 300 million Americans from Soviet domination, whilst freeing hundreds of millions of eastern Europeans. This set up a situation where President Reagan was able to complete the project. It all dwarfs a third-rate hotel burglary...and only proves Mr. Nixon's prescience.

By giving these kinds of issues moral equivalency, the left shows it's all about hating Mr. Nixon, whether for his anti-communist stance, or plenty of other conservative positions...even though the EPA was created during his tenure!

So if the left is going to prattle on about Mr. Clinton's greatness whilst fondling young women, let's be intellectually honest. Instead of cheating on Hillary, committing perjury under oath and selling our military secrets, Mr. Clinton obviously had plenty of time on his hands. But rather than work for freeing others, it was classic Bill Clinton...all about himself.

"I do feel that it was in the national interest that President Ford pardoned Nixon."

Agreed.

Herb

Given the positive things he accomplished in the name of international policy, his abuse of power dwarfs the good.

Very true!


"I do feel that it was in the national interest that President Ford pardoned Nixon."

Just doing what they thought was good for the party.

It wasn't.... Nixon should have been IMPEACHED but he was too much of a wuss and ran away when the going got tough.

Herb, Herb, Herb.

Let's get the facts straight.

The population of the United States was under 200 million when Nixon was President. Don't exaggerate numbers just to make a point, because the point in and of itself is exaggerated. You make it sound as if he was the only US President to "stand up to those black-hearted Communists". Get over yourself.

And on that "third-rate hotal burglary", that burglary and the subsequent coverup and gross mishandling and dismissal of evidence is among the most egregious acts of an administration in the history of this nation, and the reprecussions are felt to this day.

You can deny it all you want, but it is what it is and it's important for us to, once again, remember history so it is not repeated.

Don't exaggerate numbers just to make a point, because the point in and of itself is exaggerated.

That's his way! That's what neo-CONers do!!!! Re-write history!!!!! Facts mean NOTHING to them unless it's to their advantage. Just think what LimBLAH and Hewitt are going to be brainwashing America with in 10 years.

If one is to compare Mr. Clinton with Mr. Nixon, I'm entirely happy to use straight facts.

If you want to use 100 million Americans, that's fine with me.

The point is that rather than sell our country short and strip our military, Mr. Nixon fought hard to keep us safer. Mr. Clinton did the opposite.

Would Mr. Nixon have been impeached? Maybe, maybe not. But even though Mr. Nixon was a deeply flawed man, at least he did not lie under oath. Mr. Clinton dragged our country through countless lies and obfuscations. Nor did Mr. Nixon wag his finger to all Americans and call us liars. Mr. Clinton was constantly proven to be the liar, whether it was under oath, or in his lying to the American people.

It's all about Bill and it's always been about Bill. However, in contrast to leftists who despise Mr. Nixon, I do not hate Mr. Clinton. I simply did not want him in office.

Mr. Nixon had the decency to bow out when the time had come. Considering what he had on his plate, both nationally and internationally, I would rate Mr. Nixon heads and shoulders above Mr. Clinton or Mr. G.W. Bush any day of the week. And historians are already realizing this.

Herbert Milhous

"Would Mr. Nixon have been impeached? Maybe, maybe not."

Absolutely WRONG.
He would most certainly have been Impeached.
He resigned only when he was assured of this fact.

It's irrelevant and akin to debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Neither side can be proven. So deal in a liberal alternative reality if you must. However, Mr. Nixon's accomplishments are concrete and far surpass any third-rate burglary which occured on his watch.

Herb

Nobody cares.

Right.

Once I pin you down, it's throw your hands into the air.

You sure seem to care when Mr. Nixon's name comes up. Then once I provide facts, you say it doesn't matter.

Classic leftist approach.

Herb

Why did he resign? What legitimate reason other than not wanting to be impeached is there? If there was no chance of impeachment, why resign?

Richard Nixon is consistantly ranked in the top ten worst presidents in US history. Nuff said.

Nixon's celebrated "detente" with Russia was more cosmetic than substantive--none of the key issues between the 2 superpowers were resolved, and Nixon failed in his drive for meaningful arms control agreements. The new policy toward China was inevitable, considering China's internal development and growing differences with the U.S.S.R. Nixon simply benefited from an inexorable trend in world affairs. In Vietnam, he willfully continued a tragic war for 4 unnecessary years, at a cost of thousands of lives and billions of dollars. When direct U.S. involvement was finally terminated, Nixon accepted the same settlement that war critics had been urging for years. His endless talk of peace with honor was only a sham. His invasion of Cambodia, his lies to the public and the Congress, his genocidal Christmas bombing of Vietnam in 1973 were all a tragic waste. Despite the intensive Nixon-Kissinger public relations efforts, the ruthless U.S. position in the India-Pakistan dispute, the threat of renewed fighting in the Middle East, the continuing bloodshed in Vietnam, and the CIA intervention in Chile, show that American policy is just as immoral--and the world situation is just as dangerous--as it has ever been.

Nixon's funding cutbacks crippled dozens of necessary programs providing health care, education and job training services, as the Government adopted a policy of "benign neglect" toward the nation's poor. Meanwhile, Nixon urged increased Federal spending for ill-considered military--industrial boondoggles like the ABM and SST. On the environment, he always put the interests of big corporations (like the oil companies, auto makers and lumber barons) ahead of the needs of the people. Most serious of all, his totally inept handling of the economy produced the most serious domestic crisis since the Great Depression--as inflation soared to unheard of levels and the country skidded in and out of "Nixon recessions." While corporate profits reached all-time highs, the Administration could offer the average citizen only 4 phases of economic waffling. By the time Nixon left office, all of America's most serious domestic problems had been notably aggravated.

Nixon's "law and order" Administration gave America the most lawless Government in its history. The criminal activity started at the very top of the ticket. Even leaving Watergate aside, Nixon was clearly guilty of tax fraud in cheating the IRS out of the tidy sum of $500,000. He also contributed $17 million in public funds to the improvement of his own resort homes. Meanwhile, Vice-President Spiro Agnew preferred more traditional forms of graft as he accepted thousands of dollars in bribes and payoffs. With these examples to inspire them, it is hardly surprising that Nixon appointees in every branch of Government (including Cabinet members who have pleaded guilty to or been indicted and convicted of Watergate-related crimes) disgraced themselves and abused the public trust. No one in America has done as much as Nixon to secure Washington's reputation as "The Crime Capital of the World."

It is hard to decide which is more amazing in Nixon's handling of Watergate--the President's immorality or his incompetence. Nixon will not only be remembered as the greatest liar in American history, he may also be remembered as the most inept administrator. The antics of Nixon and his palace guard would be simply laughable except that they came so close to achieving their objectives. His efforts to subvert the rights of citizens, spy on his opponents, smear his "enemies," intimidate the press, defy the courts, diminish Congress, and manipulate the FBI, CIA, and IRS all proved--at least partially-temporarily successful. As historian Henry Steele Commager put it: "Other things being equal, we haven't had a bad President before now. Mr. Nixon is the 1st dangerous and wicked President."

However, Mr. Nixon's accomplishments are concrete and far surpass any third-rate burglary which occurred on his watch.

HE ASKED THEM TO DO IT! He was going to be IMPEACHED and that is why he turned tail and ran. He DAMAGED America more than even DUHbya has!!!!!
If you want to re-write history Herb then do it on some EXTREME RIGHT leaning neo-CON blog.

"...none of the key issues between the 2 superpowers were resolved..."

As my French pals say, Au Contraire.

But even if one were to concede that we simply 'treaded water' during Mr. Nixon's Detente days, that was nuclear disaster averted and therefore hardly small potatoes...in addition to setting it up for Mr. Reagan for his coup de grâce of freeing eastern Europe.

Study your history deeper and you'll recall that it was the greens and other assorted radical leftists who wanted no NATO missiles protecting western Europe, and certainly no discussion of Star Wars, which came up later.

Yet Mr. Nixon prevailed...and it was that kind of Nixonian hard-nosed bargaining that fomented the Soviet meltdown. And unlike Mr. Clinton, at least Mr. Nixon didn't sell our military secrets to our mortal enemies.

As the Iron Lady Margaret Thatcher noted so well, we won the cold war without firing a shot.

Herb

"Other things being equal, we haven't had a bad President before now. Mr. Nixon is the 1st dangerous and wicked President."

And we all know who's in line for #2...

Revisionism is Herb's specialty. Now he is giving Nixon credit for "avoiding nuclear disaster"
"Nixonian hard-nosed bargaining that fomented the Soviet meltdown"

That's a laugher. Nixon thought a secret, worldwide nuclear alert would remain unknown to the American public, and he was right. But his strategy--to threaten the Soviets into helping bring an end to the Vietnam war--was unsuccessful. They may not even have noticed.

Tape recordings of conversations between Richard Nixon, the disgraced former United States president, and some of his top advisers during the first six months of 1972 have revealed him excoriating Jews and liberals and musing about dropping a nuclear bomb on North Vietnam.

Tape recordings of conversations between Richard Nixon, the disgraced former United States president, and some of his top advisers during the first six months of 1972 have revealed him excoriating Jews and liberals and musing about dropping a nuclear bomb on North Vietnam.

In one segment of about 500 hours of discussions released by the National Archives, Nixon is heard discussing an extension of bombing raids over North Vietnam with Henry Kissinger, the national security adviser. Then, rather abruptly, he says: "I'd rather use the nuclear bomb." Whether Nixon was serious or trying to provoke Mr Kissinger is not clear. In his baritone voice, his adviser replies: "That, I think, would just be too much." But Nixon then goes on: "The nuclear bomb. Does that bother you? I just want you to think big."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nixon-wanted-to-drop-nuclear-bo mb-on-vietnam-654499.html

Think about it. Herb keeps flinging rhetoric of his own design whereas I keep posting a cornucopia of other peoples research and opinion. Clearly the majority of evidence shows Nixon was not anything like Herb would have you believe. Sorry Herb. Spin all you want. Almost every piece of commentary about Nixon is predominantly negative. Spin on, as you might say. Revise as you wish, the facts say otherwise.

I believe Margaret Thatcher more than any political hack with an agenda. Mr. Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot.

And Mr. Reagan succeeded in large part due to Mr. Nixon's great blocking prior to The Gipper's touchdown for European peace.

If the Quisling left would have had their way, we would have pulled a Neville Chamberlain and negotiated away Western Europe. That means we would have had to kick the bad guys out of France three times in one century. That's just too much for conservatives to have to repair the left's continued bumbling.

God bless Mr. Nixon, warts and all.

Herbert Milhous

Pray all you want. Nixon goes straight to (your) Hell. Your lopsided right wing driven analyses fools no one.

If Mrs. Thatcher is right wing, then I shall wear that label as a badge of honour and shan't worry at all.

Herb

Don't take my statement out of context.
I wrote "your analyses." Do I need to underline the word "your."

You give new meaning to the words "noise" and "distortion."

"...your analyses..."

I agree with Margaret Thatcher. She and I share a similar view.

And to suggest I'm the one distorting history, whilst you attempt a leftist, ham-fisted re-write of Mr. Nixon and Mr. Reagan's accomplishments in freeing hundreds of millions in eastern Europe, is beyond laughable. If the left would have had their way, we wouldn't even have freedom of speech. Instead, you'd be reading Pravda.

Herb

Repeat:

Why did he resign? What legitimate reason other than not wanting to be impeached is there? If there was no chance of impeachment, why resign?

Hey guys, get back on target.

Nixon comes across as a saint compared with Bush Jr.

You mean "Mini Bush": http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/O/7/minibush.jpg

Nope, Bush Sr. was a pretty good guy for a Republican. I think Barbara cheated on him with one of the ranch's donkeys when he was away.

NICE! LOL

Oh... that poor f*cking donkey!

The first time I ever saw Babs with Bush Sr I thought she was his mom!

What kind of jacka$$ would have a fling with her?

"And to suggest I'm the one distorting history, whilst you attempt a leftist, ham-fisted re-write of Mr. Nixon and Mr. Reagan's accomplishments in freeing hundreds of millions in eastern Europe, is beyond laughable."

Not according to so many others ... what is truly "laughable" is your misguided representation of the facts on the ground.

"Nixon fancied himself a "wartime" president in the manner of Franklin D. Roosevelt and therefore entitled to deference in the face of a national emergency -- a view at odds with how most Americans see these controversial, far-off conflicts. And while the oft-cited analogies between the Vietnam and Iraq wars tend to be glib, each conflict has significantly determined its president's reputation. Like Nixon, Bush has heeded Henry Kissinger's advice not to withdraw from a quagmire, preferring to brand critics cowards or traitors. Like Nixon, Bush has also sought to conceal from the public the full scope of the U.S. commitment. Under blanket assertions of "national security" meant to end public debate, he has used Nixonian wiretapping to achieve his ends. These decisions will surely stain his legacy.

But can we conclude that Bush's war policy is worse than Nixon's? However toxic the fallout from Iraq, it's hard to imagine that it could greatly exceed the damage wrought by Vietnam, the wounds from which are still raw 30 years later, as its role in the 2004 presidential election showed. (On the other hand, Nixon can't be blamed for starting his war, whereas Bush initiated his -- albeit with substantial backing from Democrats.) Bush's view of power and his iron-fisted manner of governance also come from the Nixon playbook. Karl Rove, who headed the College Republicans during Watergate, sought to complete Nixon's mission of building a permanent Republican majority. In Nixonian fashion, the Bush-Rove strategy has been to use bullying to stifle opposition: demonizing the news media, discrediting policy experts, disdaining the separation of powers. Bush's theory of a "unitary" executive power is little more than a restatement of a Nixon utterance: "When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.""

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/01/AR2006120101506. html

Face it Herbala, in spite of your personal affections for presidents that are miserable failures and non-performers, what is most upsetting is the underlying lack of moral values these heroes of yours had as expressed through actual historical facts about damage done to the country, the people of this country, and the freedoms that all of us including you enjoy. There is no excuse for an attitude of ignorance that you endear. Reagan was a puppet, a lousy actor, and an overrated president that got credit for many accomplishments that were planned and executed by Congress and its leaders. Bush is not as lucky. The country is not fooled by Bush's piss poor attitudes towards our freedoms and overall disdain for working class Americans. They are all outdone by Nixon who clearly had not only more intelligence than the aforementioned pair but also carried within him the darkness and evil of a true miscreant.

Repeat:

Why did he resign? What legitimate reason other than not wanting to be impeached is there? If there was no chance of impeachment, why resign?

I'm going to ask Herb AGAIN! the same thing that DT asked AGAIN!
Herb...
We're waiting for YOUR flovoUr on this.... SPIN IT!

"What legitimate reason other than not wanting to be impeached is there?"

By leaving office, Mr. Nixon wanted helped spare the nation further sidetracking. Tis' a pity Mr. Clinton didn't do the same, given that Mr. Clinton was impeached.

But alas, it's always been about Bill.

Herb

At least Bill had the Kahona's to take his "Licks" instead of tucking it and running!

...whilst dragging himself and many others through the mud.

It is indeed always about Bill.

Herb

And it not for that pardon Nixon would have been a convict.

Nixon left office in DISGRACE because his forced removal was imminent. Even though the pardon was the easy way out for our country, I would have liked to see him face charges and serve time like some of the other crooks involved.

Clinton didn't resign because he knew he would not be convicted on impeachment charges. Nixon resigned because he knew he would.

Occam's razor, Herb - the simplest answers are almost always the correct ones.

"Mr. Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot. "

Talk about revisionism.. that is bullshit beyond compare. ANYBODY with ANY knowledge of the facts realizes that the Soviet system was destined to collapse under its own inefficiency, it was only a matter of time.

The MOST credit due to Reagan was that he hastened the process by driving his own nation deeper into debt.

What a lefty haven this place is.

You guys haven't learned what Mr. Gorbachev already concedes: Communism doesn't work. Maybe you'll all learn that some day.

Pardon me whilst I continue to expose the radical left who would have surrendered our nation a la Neville Chamberlain.

Herbert Milhous Kissinger

Two things are true about Nixon.

1.) He would have been impeached had he not resigned.
2.) If not for the pardon he would have been convicted.

Well maybe 3.....

3.) He was a certifiable NUTJOB!

Frankly, Herb, you are not lucid.

Tadc:
"ANYBODY with ANY knowledge of the facts realizes that the Soviet system was destined to collapse under its own inefficiency, it was only a matter of time. "

Herb;
"You guys haven't learned what Mr. Gorbachev already concedes: Communism doesn't work. Maybe you'll all learn that some day."

Herb do you even read the shit you post?

Amus, with all due respect....Kindly consider that many, if not most liberal posters here consistently bash capitalism and its adherents, whilst espousing support for those who are borderline socialists.

I believe the whackos and extremists are those who are anti-voucher, anti-preborn child, and opposed to LNG/gas/coal/nuclear/logging and oil exploration.

Herb

Herb, kindly consider that you're a CHILD HATER! You ignore the perils of the BORN! Yep, face it, You HATE KIDS.

I’m a proud liberal who believes that vouchers offer a reasonable alternative, but I don’t think they’re a true solution to correcting deficiencies in our problematic public education system. Real reform will cost billions and is absolutely necessary if we are going to say competitive long-term.

Many in the pre-born lobby are terrorists without any regard to the sanctity of life, period. I find them appallingly hypocritical. Children die in the world daily, and they turn a blind eye to it. Ironically, many of these folks would be the first to justify the 84,000 people killed in Iraq since March 2003. Where’s the outrage?

And to call people whackos because they want reasonably protections of the environment is just ridiculous. It’s hard to believe that Herb is such a vociferous Nixon supporter, given Nixon’s support of the Clean Air and Clear Water Acts. I’m sure Herb sees both acts as creeping socialism.

The timber industry has done more in the past 20 years to clean up their act. But if you want a logging policy that is truly scorched earth, just look at the third world as your template. Or perhaps move to Houston, Texas – where development is every man for himself. I’m sure living next to a garbage dump abutted by an oil refinery with an elementary school within walking distance would make most the ardent conservative on this board proud as a pro-life, wealth centric capitalist Christian holed up in his sprawling mega church – minus of course the poor, homeless, physically disabled, gay or tolerant minded.

"...reasonably protections of the environment..."

Reasonable is fine and I honour Mr. Nixon's foresight. The guy was clearly ahead of his time.

But we're talking $4 gas today and can now extract energy quite efficiently with minimal damage to the environment.

Ted Kennedy is a NIMBY with his family compound where he nixed wind energy.

And you guys may be willing to wait 40 years for solar. Fine. But in the meanwhile, you won't allow more offshore drilling...and you want to lock up the coal and timber...and your leftist brethren are anti-nuke...plus, bio-fuels often burn up more energy creating it than they provide.

How about helping the environment between now and then by Mr. Gore and Bobby Kennedy Jr. ceasing to spew carbon jet fuel in the atmosphere?

The bottom line: We're not seeing much from the left on energy except what NOT to do....and you guys aren't even proving to be very good at that.

Herb

And what do we see from the right, the same old song and dance. We provide billions in tax credits to the petrochemical industry and what do get in return, $4.00 a gallon gasoline.

Given the practices of the petrochemical industry as a whole, we should learn not to be so gullible. The only thing they care about is making a fast buck – no matter how badly the industry conducts itself as a whole. Look at their conduct abroad. They foster an environment of murder and exploitation. Just another form of blood diamonds.

And for the nuclear power industry, I’d like to meet the geniuses who decided where many of these plants would be located in the United States. I may not be a nuclear scientist, but it doesn’t take much to realize that the nuclear power industry doesn’t possess the sense God gave a brussel sprout. Had they used better judgment, maybe they might be trusted. But there again, trust is earned. Their failure to be honest cost them dearly. Homer Simpson would do a better job of picking appropriate locations for nuclear power plants than the nuclear lobby.

It’s all Teddy’s fault that George Bush’s answer to a tightening oil supply is war in Iraq. As the prices continue to rise, I’m sure George Bush, the Dick Cheney and company will try to convince us that invading Iran and occupying its oil facilities would be a responsible reaction to $4.00 a gallon gasoline, given that Iraq isn’t able to provide us with an adequate supply. And killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the process isn’t that far a stretch for failed oil tycoon George W. Bush, the butcher of Crawford.

Herb sez: "We're not seeing much from the left"

Thats because we're too busy hijacking threads and pointing out that you're a CHILD KILLER! Kids DIE every day and you do nothing to help the needs of the born.

Why did he resign? What legitimate reason other than not wanting to be impeached is there? If there was no chance of impeachment, why resign?

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Herb sez: "We're not seeing much from the left"


We're not seeing ANYTHING from the EXTREME RIGHT! The HUCKster isn't running anymore!!!!

"And what do we see from the right..."

Tad, don't answer the question with a question.

By doing so, you've conceded the inanity of the liberal view.

The bottom line is that we need to become more energy independent. That will take time. In the meanwhile, we need energy.

Cutting out nuclear, coal, LNG and timber won't cut it.

But the kinder and gentler Herb isn't being ham-fisted, either. Note I didn't mention hydroelectric. Were it my choice, that would be our final option. I say let the fish swim.

Herb

Tad, don't answer the question with false truth.

By doing so, you've conceded the inanity of the EXTREME REICH view.

Why did he resign? What legitimate reason other than not wanting to be impeached is there? If there was no chance of impeachment, why resign?




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So then, he knew he would be impeached so he resigned. Thanks for setting that straight HerbB.

And I guess he was just lucky that he received a pardon. But why would he need to be pardoned if he did nothing wrong?

Hmmmmmmmmmm......

So then, he knew he would be impeached so he resigned. Thanks for setting that straight HerbB.

Herbocrite hard at work!

"Anybody got a backhoe I can borrow?"

I offer my ex-wife. She's still living down there.

If McPain wins, i'm gonna go home, watch Dr. Strangelove, then build and stock my bomb shelter. Anybody got a backhoe I can borrow?

This needs to be prior to Brians post........

You gotta tell me you're going to delete a message before I respond silly!

Now I look like an ass! Oh wait ... if ths shoe fits ..

Thanks for the offer, but I think i'll pass on that one!

Thanks for the laugh though....HO HO HO

I was gonna re-do it but you responded to quickly!

"So then, he knew he would be impeached so he resigned."

Wrong. Even warts and all, Mr. Nixon had enough dignity to spare our nation what Bill Clinton put it through.

And get used to it libs, the fact shall always stand: Mr. Nixon, the guy you love to hate, was NEVER impeached.

Your guy, the serial perjurer, pardoner of Marc Rich and seller of military secrets, Bill Clinton, WAS impeached.

Game.
Set.
Match.

Herbie wins again.

Yay.

[Runs victory lap around computer].

Herbert K. Milhous III

Your and idiot Herbert! Do you read your own shit! "Had enough dignity to spare the nation".....so basically.....avoid being impeached. What a Maroon! Your not even worth the time anymore interacting with. If ever you start seeing things through something other than brown eyes, (due to that fact that your full of shit), let me know would ya!

But don't get me wrong, I have no love for Clinton either. So in all fairness lets do a little comparison:

Nixon Vs. Clinton

Major Scandal during their presidency....
Nixon: Watergate
Clinton: Waterbed

The President's biggest fear....
Nixon: The Cold War
Clinton: The Cold Sore

Complaints toward the President.....
Nixon: Carpet-Bombing
Clinton: Carpet-Burns

Their Vice-Presidents...
Nixon: His was Greek
Clinton: His is a Geek.

Presidential qualities.....
Nixon: Couldn't stop Kissinger.
Clinton: Couldn't stop kissing her.

Things the President couldn't explain....
Nixon: The missing 18-minutes on the tapes
Clinton: The 36D bra in his briefcase

Job titles....
Nixon: Ex-President
Clinton: Sex-President

Slogans....
Nixon: Known for campaign slogan "Nixon's The One"
Clinton: Known for women pointing at him and saying "He's the one"

Known for....
Nixon: Famous for his widow's peak
Clinton: Famous for bringing widows to their peak

Acquaintances....
Nixon: Well acquainted with G. Gordon Liddy
Clinton: Well acquainted with G Spot

Famous feats....
Nixon: Took on Ho Chi Minh
Clinton: Took on Ho

Quoted as....
Nixon: Talked about achieving peace with honor
Clinton: Talked of getting a piece while on her

Presidential Nicknames....
Nixon: Tricky Dick
Clinton: Tricky Dick

and finally, Presidential excuses....
Nixon: I am not a crook!
Clinton: I did not do nook!

I have to admit, you're pretty much spot on with that, DarkTemper.

As my French pals say, Touche'.

Herb

Herb, Darktemper was also correct when he wrote:

"Your not even worth the time anymore interacting with."

Nixon was bigoted, a crook, a lying bastard and a self-serving slimeball. Herb will never agree with that but it is clear it is the opinion of most. He has even been disowned by the right wing.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,877188,00.html

Herb, what is worse for a president:

1. To be impeached but not convicted.
2. To resign in disgrace.

I can't imagine any scenario where #1 is WORSE than #2. Not only would Nixon have been impeached had he not ran away with his tail between his legs, he would have been convicted and removed from office. Resigning in disgrace was his BEST option to save face and avoid accountablity for his illegal and immoral behavior while serving as president.

3. To resign and spare the nation tawdry details of one's affair with a young intern.

Herb

The last time I checked, buggery isn't a crime, while burglary most certainly is.

A little light reading:

http://www.crimemagazine.com/04/richardnixon,0830.htm

Herb, you lose on this one. Facts are facts. While an impeachment is certainly a blemish on Clinton's presidency, it's nothing compared to a resignation in disgrace. So to even insinuate that somehow Clinton's impeachment is worse than Nixon resigning in disgrace is intellectually dishonest, and kind of a stupid point to keep hammering on.

And don't forget, Nixon required a pardon, Clinton didn't.

Monica Lewinsky was hardly the virginal saintly sweet "young intern" you'd like to portray, Herrbocrite.

Amen! Sex with the most powerful man in the world would be quite an aphrodisiac for some women...Miss Monica knew exactly what she was up to! Hopefully she didn't think she'd get herself a ring for her actions

Ah, classic Clinton tactic.

Call them nuts and sluts.

You're very quick to throw young women under the bus. In fact, that view is extreme even to the radical uber-leftist national organisation of women:

http://www.now.org/press/02-99/02-25-99.html

Herb

If the "HO" fits!

I think it safe to say that Bill knew what he was "UP" to as well!

But when it comes to Hillary, He seems to suffer from Electile Disfunction.

Come on guys, start another feed. this is off track. Bush's failures are what we should be discussing.

“Ah, classic Clinton tactic”. Let us not forget that George W. Bush isn’t immune from playing sleazy, going as far as to drag an innocent child into the crosshairs of dirty party politics. George W. Bush accused John McCain of fathering a black, out of wedlock love child. George W. Bush and Karl Rove made sure to disseminate this rumor during the height of the South Carolina Republican primary in 2000. Speaks volumes of the sleaziness George W. Bush. Not even an innocent child is immune from his wrath.

Bush's failures are what we should be discussing.

There are so MANY that we should put them all out there.

The Economy
Iraq
Getting Osama
9/11

WOW!
If Nixon would have had an Iraq he would have been impeached for sure.... Oh... I forgot about Nam.

There are a thousand reasons