Terry Waller, aka Nwokie, has long claimed he was during the Vietnam War he was an Army E-7 who went to OCS, got a commission, and served as an officer in Vietnam. He also claims he later was rifted from Captain back to E-7.

Well, he was born May 1950 and was too you to have been an E-7 during the war.

I have also found his comment on an yahoo site, from sgtterry2001@yahoo.com, where he claims to have been in the Air Force reserves in 1991, which I think is the most likely truth he can say.

It is criminal for him to claim service as an officer in Vietnam. I left too many friends there. I am personally offended and I hope the rest of you are as well.

He no longer has any credibility here.

nwokie, you can debunk this by providing evidence supporting your claim. I hope you're not another Wes Cooley, or are you?

lol...like any of you gave him credibilty to begin with.

I would like to know how it is you know when he when born and I would really like to know why you went to all this trouble on this guy...

" lol...like any of you gave him credibilty to begin with."

That is very true. Especially for me.

I too would like to know how you got all that information about Terry Waller. I mean, he obviously doesn't mind it being out there for all of us to read because people who do, in his mind, have something to hide. But since it is here - how DID you find that stuff?

Am I the only one that's tired of seeing "outing" threads here, regardless of the reason?

through my radio station I have access to records that show ages and where folks live. It is a cooley crime to say you are hero of war.

While I find Nwokie's posts frequently full of basic inaccuracies and usually disagree with his point of view, I don't particularly want to see him (or anyone else) humiliated or outed here, either.

Dan, I hope you yank this thread.

Andrew

Seconded.

This stuff is not worth it. We've been here before and it's always ugly.

Yep, ugly.

Strangely, there's been no clarification/denial from Okie.

If what RBL writes is true, maybe he deserves to be "outed". I too am offended, especially since he is such a "Swiftboaty" type.

While we have had several people who have been "dishonorably discharged" from here, I don't remember anyone being banned specifically for lying.

I'm torn. And I'm disappointed in him (if it's true), and I wonder why he feels the need to do that.

I don't have a problem with it. If he's a fraud, then he deserves to be outed. It's one thing to tell a fish story, but to lie about serving in Vietnam borders on psycho and is totally disrespectful. One could even use the term tragic.

Hmm . . .

On one hand, one shouldn't worry about being "outed" when posting, but on the other hand, this is the internet, and you CAN be outed, and rather easily at that.

So, if you choose to lie on the internet anyway, then you're stupid. You'll eventually be found out. Not all "outings" are posted on the board. Lies on the net can be discovered by your friends, colleagues and family members. Being "outed" by a board members would be the least of your worries.

Perhaps this incident can lead to most honest posts in the future. I do have to agree that lies about military service, especially when one is pro-military in a forum, is an eye opener to say the least.


Obviously, NWokie has an opportunity to defend himself.

The floor is yours . . .

If your spewing off a bunch of bullshit, than YES you deserve to be outed! Now lets wait for Wookie to give his side of the story before this thread gets yanked! Id like to hear what he has to say!

And by the way, we don't need to use REAL names. If you're going to out someone,, just stick to their screen name. Using someones real first and last name is not needed!

"I would like to know how it is you know when he when born and I would really like to know why you went to all this trouble on this guy..."

the simple answer Mc74 is: my friends who died next to me in Vietnam and my uncle who died there. Why must neocons, like Wes Cooley, lie about their military service?

It doesn't matter whether it's Nwokie, Trixter or anyone else on this board. Outing anyone can be dangerous. If you wouldn't want it done to you, don't do it yourself.

Along with others, I encourage Dan to yank this thread.

As a Vet, Nwokie is a patriot. And like me, Nwokie, or anyone else on this board, we all have flaws. Problem is, the left is fine with their own flaws. But it takes guts to serve in the US Military and almost as much to post here amidst such overwhelming and oft-vicious liberal bias.

Thanks for your service to our country, Nwokie. You did far more than the draft-dodging, anti-military Bill Clinton, whom the libs idolize. They're bashing you simply because you got under their skin with the truth. And they hate the very concept of truth almost as much as they hate Mr. Bush. In fact, the left doesn't even believe in absolute truth. It's all grey. Anything else wouldn't be PC.

I stand with Nwokie.

Nwokie. You did far more than Bill Clinton.

And Tricky DICK too!


You got under their skin with the truth.

But if he is a fraud then how is there truth? YOUR kind of truth Herb? Half truth? RE-writes of history? Blatant lies?


Problem is, the left is fine with their own flaws.

But YET... When YOUR commander and chief SCREWS the American people into a war that should have NEVER happened it's okay?????? When YOUR favorite President turns tail and runs out on AMERICA when times get tough YOU stand behind them? The LIARS and the CHEATS. YOU stand behind them?


And they hate the truth. In fact, the left doesn't even believe in absolute truth.

As an Independent I look for the truth and if YOU think that the garbage that you post here is the truth then your in for a RUDE awakening when you meet OUR maker. Your going to be sitting in a waiting room with LimBLAH, Insannity and O'LIEly in Purgatory for a very long time....
Hope you like waiting....

"...a war that should have NEVER happened it's okay??????"

As with Mr. Nixon, history will show Mr. Bush to be visionary in freeing the millions of Iraqi people from rape rooms, murder and torture.

The left talks a good game about caring for those suffering in other nations. But when it comes to leadership in taking the bad guy out, they're all hat and no cattle.

Read your history about Mr. Chamberlain the appeaser during WWII. Along with murdering his own people, by now Saddam could easily have acquired enough weapons to have killed thousands in Israel as well. And if you want to hand wring and whine, blame the UN, our european allies and Mrs. Clinton..all who voted for action in Iraq.

Oh, I forgot. That's an inconvenient truth.

Herb

" Problem is, the left is fine with their own flaws."

No I am not.

Problem solved.

Next.

"As a Vet, Nwokie is a patriot."

Herb, Nwokie cannot even offer proof he is a vet and lying about war experience is in my opinion the worse thing anyone can do while true heroes are dying in our current foreign wars.

If he can offer proof of his service, I would be the first to salute him and have this thread removed.

Hey Herb, seeing as you mentioned draft dodgers, take a look at Mr. Artful Dodger "Dick (Trick Shot) Cheney!

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quote:

When Cheney became eligible for the draft, he was a supporter of the Vietnam War but did not serve in the military. Instead, he applied for and received five draft deferments. In 1989, The Washington Post writer, George C. Wilson, interviewed Cheney as the next Secretary of Defense; when asked about his deferments, Cheney reportedly said, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service." Cheney testified during his confirmation hearings in 1989 that he received deferments to finish a college career that lasted six years rather than four, owing to sub par academic performance and the need to work to pay for his education. Initially, he was not called up because the Selective Service System was only taking older men. When he became eligible for the draft, he applied for four deferments in sequence. He applied for his fifth exemption on January 19, 1966, when his wife was about 10 weeks pregnant. He was granted 3-A status, the "hardship" exemption, which excluded men with children or dependent parents. In January 1967, Cheney turned 26 and was no longer eligible for the draft.

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And lying about his military service, if true, as Mc74 pointed out, is just another reason to make it hard to trust Nwokie. He just gets stuff wrong all the time. Most of it, we have already determined and proven, is on purpose and meant to flat out lie in the hopes that we don't question or confirm whether or not it is true. Well, Nwokie, yet again, someone did look into whether or not what you say is true - someone, yet again, is showing you that what they found to counter your claims is out there and looks to make you wrong - AGAIN. And while I have to admit that I cannot pretend to be mortally offended by any false claims of military service ( I understand why others are - I only have to much outrage so go around though ) this is possibly the ultimate example of what kind of thinker you are. It just goes back to the core of Nwokie being just fine with lying so much.

I tell ya though, I bet if he hadn't been such an over-the-top liar, it would have never occured to anyone to try and confirm his military service.

You reap what you sow, I guess. Oh well. I've been there too. I've lied. I've been caught. Heck, I'll probably tell a lie this week! And I expect to be called out on it and take my lumps.

I just think that putting someone's name out there is reckless.

Again, if someone doesn't want it done to them, then don't do it to someone else, regardless of political views.

Herb

Herb, have told you many times that I welcomed you and Nwokie's different political views. That is not why I outed him. It was his lies about military service.

Nwokie and I are the same age. I was 18 in 1968 on my first tour in Vietnam as a grunt and 20 on my second tour as a newly trained Army journalist.

During both tours, I lost too many friends there to every support a wasteful war again.

To have someone using his claim as a combat veteran to support the new wars is what I should not be surprised to expect from a neocon.

And to have your support for someone who lies about military experience shows that you neocons stick together tighter than so-called liberals.

The ends, my friend, never justify the means.

I guess I had always hoped that our forum postings would be about what we post, not about who we claim to be. Whether someone exaggerates about something personal should be irrelevant to the discussions we have. It's the internet - who says people can't embellish themselves a little?

Backing up your argument by claiming some personal background should be considered a weak debate point, anyway.

Andrew

"embellish"?

Andrew, you neocons embellish everything, but lying about war experience is not embellishing, it is pissing on the graves of those who left their blood on foreign soil.

"...I had always hoped that our forum postings would be about what we post, not about who we claim to be."

I agree with that.

Besides, taking someone to task can be accomplished in ways other than outing someone by name.

I respect your service to our country, Radioblogman, but fundamentally disagree with your approach.

For if the ends, my friend, never justify the means, you have little to stand on in outing Nwokie.

Herb

Herb, you cowards who push war with never having fought one will never understand my pain.

Nwokie took the first shot, I fired back. He missed and I got a direct hit.

He is welcome to come back here, as there are not enough neocon idiots remaining here, but he will never get a response from me again.

I would rather debate with Wayne again.

Careful what you ask for there!

I'm on the fence on this one ... I have nothing but respect for people like Radioblogman who have something I have not and will never do - fight for my country. As misguided as Vietnam and the current mess in Iraq were, it's not the fault of people like him that we're there. They answered the call of duty and that earns nothing but the utmost respect here. I also have a grave issue with anyone who says they did so when they did not, or embellish their duty there.

That said, it kind of screams out swift boat veterans to me.

"I would rather debate with Wayne again."

Now you've gone too far. I'm outraged.

Radioblogman has a point and has proven himself to not be malicious in his posts. If what he says is true ( and for the record, I'd like to read just a rough outline of how you found this stuff out so I can quit saying " if it's true " ) then Nwokie did indeed take the first shot- and has gone wholly unchecked on that shot for a long time. If his military service is something that he clings to as support for where he stands ( and let's not forget; Others around here support his views BECASUE of his stated military service. Do I really need to go back and find quotes that " defer to Nwokie because of his military service "? No. I didn't think so. ) then he's the one that has brought this to the table. It wouldn't have occured to anyone to even consider that angle had he not.

This is a little much for a simple internet forum. To attempt to "out" someone in order to impeach their credibility on an internet message board goes beyond what could be considered reasonable dialogue.

Is that what it's coming to at pdxradio? If someone disagrees with you, you engage in Karl Rove/ Bill & Hillary Clinton politics of personal destruction? Go on the warpath to destroy people who disagree with you? That's sick.

Radioblogman, I don't doubt for a minute your sincerity regarding your feelings for your friends who didn't return from Vietnam. I do question your motives for making your allegations. Is Nwokie lying? I don't know. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. You say he is. Who made you the truth police/judge/jury?

Just remember, you reap what you sow. By going into the gutter, you're now fair game for anyone to dig up all kinds of dirt on YOU and post it all over the internet.

Before you destroy other people, I'd suggest you take a good hard look at yourself and come to terms with your OWN mistakes, bad judgment, or skeletons in your closet before you condemn others.

The silence is deafening so far.

Nowkie has hardly been outed. RBL simply did a little bit of research that's available to most anyone with an internet connection.

1. Nwokie's profile shows his name and his email address.

2. Nwokie has stated he lives in Washington, somewhere in Clark County.

3. Nwokie has made many claims about his military service that didn't seem to add up to someone else who also served.

4. It takes all of 2 minutes to look up all the Waller's who own property in Clark County to find the right Terry Waller.

4. Once a person's name and address are known, it takes another 2 minutes to look up possible birthdates of all the Terry Waller's residing in the city he lives in.

5. A simple internet search of his email address leads to other posts elsewhere that contradict what he's said here.

All of this is public information available in the public domain, along with information willingly provided by Nwokie himself through his profile and his posts over time here and elsewhere.

Moral of the story: If you're going to make shit up, don't post your name and email address for others to research you on, should they be compelled.

Wobboh's post makes more sense than all of the others combined. It's good that someone finally brought some common sense to this thread.

Deane, you neocons went after Purple Heart winner Kerry with lies, yet you support a someone who lied about even being in Vietnam.

You are just another sick neocon who cannot stand being wrong every time.

It's good that someone finally brought some common sense to this thread.

Lord knows YOU can't....

Can't we all just get along?

No, Deane, Wobboh's post has merit but in this case that merit is misplaced. Being that it is an open forum (in the sense that anyone can join), Nwokie created a persona that appears to be based on lies. His absence this morning is defacto admission of his guilt.
This isn't about as Wob puts it "going into the gutter." If anyone went into the gutter, it is the transgressor, Nwokie. You and I, Dean, (for different reasons, probably) use our real names on this board. You and I are proud of our experience and accomplishments and spend time here trying to provide opinion based on real world experience. Things may tend to get heated around election time, but the truth is that we are not masquerading as someone with a fictional background. Nwokie may have held his opinions as dear, but he fabricated (apparently) a background to support it. I don't have to lie about a broadcast background. It's verifiable. I'm sure the same applies to many here. Many here don't use real names because they are currently working for other people that wouldn't necessarily appreciate their opinions. Understandable. If your livelihood is dependent on maintaining anonymity so be it.
This is not the instant case. Nwokie's gotten what he deserved and I commend Rbm for running down the truth. This isn't about left or right or liberal or conservative. It's about doing the right thing, and clearly Nwokie breached that trust and his lack of response today pretty much says Rbm is correct. Common sense
applies to practical matters. Misrepresentation is a valid premise. Every post in this thread, for the most part, is addressing that premise. Perhaps not everyone can meet your standard of excellence in journalism, but around here what you read is what you get. It has never stopped you from expressing your reaction and it is unfair to expect Rbm to stop expressing his. If you don't wish to participate you can always remain silent (yeah, right). Shalom.

As it would be senseless to continue to argue with the remaining neocon idiots on this forum, especially Deane, I am retiring with another honorable discharge.

I will miss you Herb, but I cannot be part of a forum that supports a liar who hurts my friends who died for him.

"I cannot be part of a forum that supports a liar.."

With all due deference to your honourable service to our country, Radioblogman, I agree with Wobboh:

"Who made you the truth police/judge/jury?"

And he's also right about us each reaping what we sow. Here, the left is exhibiting the same 'pile on' mentality that we often hear them decry.

You're a good guy, Radioblogman. But so is Nwokie, warts and all. And if he is indeed untruthful, that's for him to come clean. But if he served our country honourably, I'm willing to cut him some serious slack. For when it comes to serving our country, you and he are better men than I am.

Herb

"I am retiring with another honorable discharge. "

Would that be from just this thread, or would it be from the forum in total?

Herb, all Nwokie would have to do is state his denial, but his lack of usual presence here speaks volumes. Rbl is not claiming to be judge and jury, rather he has accused Nwokie of being a liar and a fraud.
He has proffered proof.

Nwokie has countered with silence. Probably the best thing he can do under the circumstances. He'll migrate to another board and create a new persona, probably also based on lies and fabrication. You may wish to defend him but the fact remains he offers no protest to the charges.

I'll take that as a sign of guilt.

Seems like I recall he frequently isn't on the forum for days at a time, then all of a sudden shows up. Perhaps he just hasn't read this yet.

That's a possibility, but unlikely since he did address the initial challenge and then fell silent.

Don't worry, someone else will fill the ranks of the conservatives and keep your side with at least 3 or 4 posters.

LMAO

Deane, I surrender to you, I am taking the discharge from the entire forum.

Here, the left is exhibiting the same 'pile on' mentality that we often hear them decry.

Like YOU guys did to Clinton for 7 1/2 years? Then YOU come on here and DECRY that someone other than YOURSELF is "piling on".....

"Who made you the truth police/judge/jury?"

Actually, this should be everybody. Who wouldn't want to find out what they been told is false?




RBM and everyone else . . . take a deep breath. No need to quit the forum. Even Herb said he would quit if asked, but didn't.

"Deane, I surrender to you, I am taking the discharge from the entire forum."

What will you do for aggravation?

LOL

It's too bad you're leaving the forum over something like this, Radioblogman. I see where you are coming from, but I guess I just don't take the things people say here all that seriously. I like to argue (how could you tell?) and come here mostly for a good debate, and I'm interested mostly in the issues and not on a particular poster's life story, embellished or not.

I've enjoyed your posts and will miss you. I hope you change your mind. Consider doing as I do and simply ignore the posters you don't care to engage, even the threads they start.

Andrew

Andrew has good advice.

I frequently get attacked, it's an occupational hazard when visiting a forum heavily populated with liberals who have lost their way. I just chuckle and move on.

Even those I don't agree with I can respect. Andrew, Andy Brown, just to name a couple. Andy has completely lost his way politically, but at least he's articulate about it.

I 2nd Andrew's comments.

Overall this is a great group of people with widely and wildly varying opinions and outlooks.

As someone wisely once said; "It takes all kinds to make the world go 'round"

I hope you change your mind also.

I frequently get attacked, it's an occupational hazard when visiting a forum heavily populated with EXTREME RIGHT Elitists who have lost their way. I just RE-LOAD, look for the TRUTH and move on.

I miss Reinstatepete. He would bring sense and order to this mess!

Sky, Deane, Andrew, thanks for the comments guys, but my heart is no longer in it.

I feel so hurt by Nwokie. I thought we had so much in common, as no one else here had military experience. I truly thought that though we were politically apart, we were still brothers in arms. I truly feel betrayed and do not want to take a chance on PTSD as I am thinking too much now about the guys who did serve in Vietnam and especially those who did not come home.

I am getting to old to fight anymore, but I will come back soon to at least monitor the site as my emotions heal. Who knows, I may even miss Herb too much to not join in again, but at this point I can't see it happening.

As they said when John Lennon was murdered, there are no more heroes.

And Nwokie, I truly wish you the best and if it means anything to you, I forgive you, which I am sure my buddies who came home from Vietnam in a flag-covered coffin would do also.

I am getting too old to fight unwinnable

Wayne took him down. Thank God above that nobody else got swallowed in Wayne's garbage. Pete took the bait one too many times and threw out the the F bomb rants and personal attacks and had to be shut down.
RIP Pete...

Kum by yah my lord.....

Coco anyone?

"I frequently get attacked, it's an occupational hazard when visiting a forum heavily populated with EXTREME RIGHT Elitists who have lost their way. I just RE-LOAD, look for the TRUTH and move on."


Trixter, here's Vitalogy's proclamation from another thread.


"It makes dumb people feel better to call those that are more intelligent "elitists"."

I do not STAND for Vits proclamations. If you do great....
I call them like I see them.... If that makes me dumb then great. But for all your talk about how Elite the left is all the time then you must be dumb too?
DRAW!

"But for all your talk about how Elite the left is "

I guess I missed those posts.

"...Nwokie, I truly wish you the best and if it means anything to you, I forgive you, which I am sure my buddies who came home from Vietnam in a flag-covered coffin would do also."

If that isn't a peace branch being offered from one old soldier to another, I don't know what is...and I never even served in the Military.

Nwokie, Radioblogman sure seems sincere and you both probably have more in common than anyone here who hasn't served could ever realize.

Herb

I don't think leaving is a good idea either, Radioblogman. Enjoy having you here. That's different from my thoughts on this thread, BTW.

Give it some thought first.

Your last post really helps me see where you are coming from. I can understand that. Thanks, BTW. Your service mattered then, and matters now.

I guess I missed those posts.

Guess you did....

I only surf were the waves are good and try at all costs to avoid those threads with strong undertows that just suck you down. The warning flags are there you just have to look for them.

Nwokie doesn't have to respond. Nothing requires him to. (Never met him, not taking a side on the issue, just stating the obvious.)

Please pardon my language, but I think it's hypocritical that we can have boiled "number two" topics like this on the same board we have threads congratulating others on their recovery.

Isn't that NUTS!

Agreed!

I disagree. I think Nwokie should respond. A non-response is a dead give away that what has been revealed is true. If it's untrue, he owes it to himself and everyone else to refute the allegations. I for one would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if he refuted what has been said. Obviously he's read the threads and knows what's going on based on his response on another thread.

Wow, over 60 post since I posted in this one yesterday(although most of them are the same people posting over and over again)

Am I the only one that doesnt care?

You've posted twice in this thread Mc74. Apparently you do care - ?

Andrew

Mc...
Post AT ALL means you care a lot....

"Outing anyone can be dangerous."

To whom are you referring, HerrB?
Is it more "dangerous" to the "outer" or the "outee"?
And what do you mean by "dangerous"?

Herrb, You still don't seem to grasp the fact that NW Okie posted his real name in his profile himself. And RBL fairly easily discovered his LIE.

I can easily forgive a little harmless personal embellishment, regardless of one's persuasion here, but this is just too big of an insult to real veterans such as my own Mr. M, my Father, and RBM.

And RBM. I'd be sad if you left here. Please don't.

You know, not to put too fine of a point on it - but I guess I am about to anyway; This is a fascinating dynamic at play here, to me. It's easy to dismiss it as something unseemly or unjust or any other " un "-word you want to slap on it, but I see some things at play here that speak to " core " and " character " to a degree that we, ok I, skirt around. I'm not swaying it's a HUGE deal to me - but to me, it's a valid issue. I mean, at some point we, as a group, boil things down to some kind of truth. I believe RBM has found a way to do that in a meaningful way - and has adeptly expressed his opinion on that matter.

I tell you what, if I had been on the receiving end of something like this, it would give me pause. Sometimes mundane message board like this skewers though the rhetoric and allows for some pure, if not poignant, insight to be briefly glimpsed. Again, not to make it too overly-whatever - but there are some lessons to be taken away from this minor expose'. ( And really, I'm just speaking for myself on that count. ) Which is something that I hold quite a bit higher than I often acheive. It's been articulate, devoid of emotion that clouds perspective and frankly, much more rare than I realized. I'll stop short of calling it " noble " but it ain't too far from that, to me.

Now go ahead and gloss over what others have said - distract yourself - I care, but not so much that I lose the point - but my take is that it brings a few things into focus. RBM noting what it ACTAULLY takes ( as Vit. noted ) to talk about something personal, is valid - to me. Minimalize it. I don't care. I disagree and am fine with saying just that.

RBM, while your efforts may have been pointed to a specific person and are casually dismissed as as some kind of axe to grind, you at least expressed yourself clearly about why you feel that way. I respond to the clarity of that and will say, just this time, that you haven't done anything wrong. Your motives for doing so have been laid out on the table. No partisan stuff, just experience put into words. It makes sense to me.

Well done.

Nwokie, I'm relatively sure that you have read this thread. Good. Perhaps not - but if you have and purposely not commented - fine. I don't know what you meant by " look closer " - but I have to say, I'm not being given anything to look closer AT. I happen to believe that you are a decent man - for that that's worth ( probably little coming from me ). But your constant implying and never really following up with support has caused this to be brought this upon yourself. In the grand scheme of things, it's small - but not to everyone. RBM is proof of that.

Finally, there are quite a few things that others have said to really validate a thread like this. I, for one, hope this thread does not get removed. It serves a good purpose that I will refer to if it's allowed to stay.

A final request - Someone give me just ONE chance to defend myself if I ever paint myself into this kind of corner. There are all sorts of things I would prefer not be posted, but if what I say or how I express myself challenges someone to do so - for whatever reason - just give me ONE " heads-up " before you fillet me. Maybe I'll take you up on it, perhaps I will not. But I'd appreciate one shot, for the record.

Well, this started on Monday and it's now Friday and not a peep from Nwokie. I can only assume at this point that he was properly called out and will not show his face here ever again.

"will not show his face here ever again."

Why would this be? If he turned out to be full of crap, how would that be different from some of the liberals.

I'm guessing that Nwokie will chime in on another thread once he forgets this one even exists. Then he'll get reminded that this one exists and ignore it.

That's fine. It served a purpose for some.

" Look closer." was something I could have sworn Nwokie posted in this thread. Perhaps I am wrong. Maybe that was from another thread.

http://feedback.pdxradio.com/show.cgi?tpc=2186&post=229359#POST229359

Deane, lying about service in Vietnam is far beyond what any liberal has done here. Far beyond. So far beyond it's actually sad.

This is my third post and I still dont care...

... Anna Nicole Smith is still dead, and the revolution will not be televised.

I just don't know ...

This is my third post and I still dont care...

You must or your posts would be ZERO...