And why won't she release her tax returns? Doesn't John McCain believe in transparency?

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/18/916355.aspx

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm

Check out how McCain met Cindy.

You mean he didn't meet her at C#nts-R-Us?

Interesting, Sen Mccain donated all of his book royalties to charity. Why didn't Hillary and obama do that?

I notice Sen Mccain receives a military retirement, how come neither Hillary or Obama's resume mentions anything about military service, did they think they were too good to wast their time serving in the military?

Nwokie, McCain's first wife did not want to worry him about her injuries, but when he came home, he did not like what the injuries did to her and dumped her for a younger, rich woman.

And military service is no requirement to become president.

You are really pulling at straws these days.

"how come neither Hillary or Obama's resume mentions anything about military service, did they think they were too good to wast their time serving in the military?"

Serving in the military shouldn't be a prerequisite for serving in the White House.

How a person earns their living is their business. How they choose to spend their money is their business. I bet Obama and Hillary have given much to charity as well but don't need to boast about it.

"Interesting, Sen Mccain donated all of his book royalties to charity. Why didn't Hillary and obama do that? "

McCain is extremely wealthy, number one, and number two, on a percentage basis the Clintons and Obamas gave a much higher percentage of the income they made. Even without Cindy's tax numbers from last year, she clearly made income of astronomical amounts and McCain's book royalties for '07 will turn out to be a tiny percentage of the couples total income.

"did they think they were too good to wast their time serving in the military?"

Did you think that? Serving in the military is not a panacea for making a contribution to the country. It takes more than being a fighter pilot to run the United States. Much to your chagrin, the performance of war hero presidents is historically dismal. Ulysses Grant's two terms as president are usually considered the most corrupt of any of the presidencies in U.S. history. McCain's war record attests to his character and patriotism, but hardly means he'd be an effective commander-in-chief.

I knew that McCain was 42 when he met his 25 year old girlfriend, but I didn't know his ex wife was injured OR that he was still married while dating his 25 year old rich hottie. But, I guess that's par for the course when it comes to right wingers.

And, not to disparage any of you who have served, but let's face the facts here. Those that enter the military are predominately those who could not get into college, or that needed the structure of a military atmosphere in order to avoid the structure of jail. So I don't see how serving in the military should be a requirement for being president. I'd prefer we stick with the educated, law degree types.

"Those that enter the military are predominately those who could not get into college, or that needed the structure of a military atmosphere in order to avoid the structure of jail."

I find that very offensive. I dropped out of college to join during the Vietnam War, not because I could not pay for it, but because I needed a break between high school and life. College was boring at first, until 3 years in the Army, with 1 in Vietnam, woke me up. And only 1 out of 1,000 came in to avoid jail. Today that number is likely 1 out of 1 million.

Vitalogy, my friend, you went to far this time.

Sometimes the truth is offensive. And, there are way more than "1 out of 1 million" that have joined to "get their life on track" so to avoid going to jail because they'd end up doing stupid stuff. They need the structure because they are unable to structure themselves and would end up in trouble.

If you take any high school and look at the college bound kids vs those that are headed to the military, there is no question that the kids headed to college are more talented and disciplined. Of course there are always exceptions...

"Those that enter the military are predominately those who could not get into college"

That's not only offensive but inaccurate. It's predominantly those who could not AFFORD college (because Republicans had 12 years to gut funding for higher education).

The military is like a huge corporation with a lot of grunts and a long bureaucratic chain of command. Whereas the grunts might not be the most highly educated, the brass usually is. West Point is a fine institution that is tough to get into as is Annapolis and the Air Force Academy. This balance between brains and brawn is what makes our military the best there is. The fact that Bush has squandered so many valuable military lives is the real crime.

"I knew that McCain was 42 when he met his 25 year old girlfriend, but I didn't know his ex wife was injured OR that he was still married while dating his 25 year old rich hottie. But, I guess that's par for the course when it comes to right wingers."

Seems a notch classier than getting blow jobs from interns in the oval office.

That's not saying much.

"If you take any high school and look at the college bound kids vs those that are headed to the military, there is no question that the kids headed to college are more talented and disciplined."

Damn, every time I give you a little credit Vitalogy, you go and paint with that big ol' brush of yours. Perhaps this is a news flash, but not everybody has had the same opportunities that you had in your life. Count your blessings before you chuck more rocks.

For your information, many folks could not have afforded college and the military provided a path to that goal. Our boom through the 1950s and 1960s was fueled by a generation of men who came home with a GI Bill. Today, much of our all-volunteer force is in combat to earn money for their education. There are traditional, patriotic and personal reasons folks serve in the Armed Forces too, but being able to afford tuition is a big one.

There is a proud Papa on this board who has a son sworn to serve. A really bright kid that no doubt will do great things with the education he gets in and out of the service. If you were actually engaged in the struggles that the people who serve face, you would not make such insulting assertions about brave people who have put themselves out there on the lines.

Economic factors coupled with a lack of opportunities are far more a factor in our overall culture, not just the ranks. The military is a slice of America. It is not made up exclusively of sinners or saints, lovers or fighters, academics or muscle, left or right, minority or majority, tall or short. It is made up of citizen soldiers.

Because they are sworn to serve, they protect you whether you have any respect for them or not. However, especially in a time of war, it is troubling that anyone would diminish the potential or the genius of our men and women in uniform. It is not often an issue of inferiority of mind or diminished abilities or last chance scenarios. The term "best and brightest" was not coined in a vacuum, my friend.

The only thing that our armed forces does not represent is the wealthiest folks in the ranks. The ruling class seems to think that the more you have to protect, the less responsible you are to protect it. In World War Two, Ted Williams, Jimmy Stewart and Glenn Miller all served our country. By Vietnam, it was enough for parents to have a lot of money, and a teaspoon of influence went a long way. Now, our volunteers are exclusively working class. Your gratitude and respect has been earned many times over, so give it.

Cindy McCain really liked pills.

I know the left is getting worried when their machinery goes after a candidate's spouse.

If they had anything on our hero, they'd have used it.

You've got nothing.

Now about that all-out war between Mr. Obama and Hillary which has your party absolutely frantic:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/18/dean-i-need-a-decision-now/

Herb

My opportunities consisted of getting good grades in high school, taking out loans to go to college and working during college to pay for it, along with obtaining employment after college to pay off my loans. So don't lecture me about opportunities. I made my own way.

I'm thankful for those that volunteer for the service. However, I'm not going to live a lie and say these people are the "best and brightest". They aren't. They are typically high school kids that don't have a college future for whatever reason and seek the service as the next best thing. And speaking from experience, several of my high school friends who needed some structure chose the service for that reason. Looking back on their decision, the service was a mistake for them. Luckily it didn't cost them their lives.

Herb, do you think it's fair that both Clinton and Obama had to show their household's tax returns yet McCain isn't showing his? Whether or not you file jointly or married filing seperately, it shouldn't matter. What is McCain hiding via his wife? Could it be that McCain is the true elitist here???

And, not to disparage any of you who have served, but let's face the facts here. Those that enter the military are predominately those who could not get into college, or that needed the structure of a military atmosphere in order to avoid the structure of jail.

Vitalogy, that is probably the most offensive, un-American, anti-military statement I have EVER read on this board.

If that is what you really believe, then I feel sorry for you.

Now I understand many of the comments you have made.

It takes the recommendation of your Congressmen in addition to a very high GPA to gain admission to any of the Military "Colleges" i.e. the Air Force Academy, WestPoint or Annapolis.

People with those qualifications can generally get accepted to ANY college they want.

The people that join the "regular" military (not the colleges mentioned above) join for a variety of reasons. Maybe some can't afford college and maybe, just maybe, some of them WANT to serve our great country.

With a statement like that, you have no right (well, actually you do, it's called the 1st amendment, and you can THANK the fine men and women who have served in our military for it) to bitch about ANY statements others make.

"Herb, do you think it's fair that both Clinton and Obama had to show their household's tax returns yet McCain isn't showing his?"

Both Clinton's are politicians, so as public servants, I guess that makes sense to see theirs. But I'm not aware that it is a requirement to reveal tax records.

Does anyone know?

Herb

Michelle Obama is not a politician, but her tax records have been provided. So why can't Cindy do the same?

Skybill, I'm not referring to the Air Force Acadamy for Westpoint. Obviously those are highly esteemed institutions. I'm referring to the regular services, Army, Navy, etc. The ones that come and recurit high school kids to join.

My opinions are not anti-military or anti-American. Offensive, maybe, but like I said, sometimes the truth can be offensive when you call a spade a spade.

"...why can't Cindy do the same?"

Maybe she will. But she's never been a politician. As a non-candidate, it's a non-starter.

What's hilarious is that since that's all the left has to work with, no wonder you're terrified.

Better stop your candidates from beating each other up, or it won't even be close when the heroic Mr. McCain wins in November.

We won't even need swift boat ads.

Herb

Maybe Johnny Mc will blow his top and call her a C*#T once again????

What's hilarious is that since that's all the left has to work with, no wonder you're terrified.

Us INDEPENDENTS aren't scared of anything!!!!! those PUSSY swift boat ads won't hurt anyone EVER again....

You've shown you're hardly an independent.

If someone is a leftist, you defend them.

Herb

> But, I guess that's par for the course [infidelity
> with younger women] when it comes to right
> wingers.

I don't think that political leanings have anything to do with it. Remember that Bill Clinton had some extra-marital flings, too. It is more about ego and the personality types that get drawn into positions of power. These are guys who love conquests, they probably feel that "deserve" the younger, prettier adultress, and they believe that they are smart enough that they won't get caught (or that they are important enough that it doesn't matter if they get caught).

Herb...
If someone is SERIOUSLY flawed in every way conceivable you defend them. That makes you an EXTREMIST and a RADICAL. Hardly a Republican.

If O'LIEly is an Independent then I can be one too!

"If they had anything on our hero, they'd have used it."

Just warming up pal. This is all practice, while we select from TWO top notch candidates.

McCain is on a nice little holiday right now.

Once we start talking about what happens when we vote for Republicans, it all starts there. Frankly, for a very high number of voters, that's enough!

Alfredo: The big difference is that left wingers don't parade around about family values, whereas the right wingers do.

Herb: Barack and Michelle Obama are married and have provided tax returns. Bill and Hillary Clinton are married and have provided tax returns. John and Cindy McCain are married, yet only John has provided tax returns. What is Cindy hiding?? Shouldn't everyone have to show their cards?

Q: What is Cindy McCain hiding?

A: Dark roots and plastic surgery?

Q: What is Cindy McCain hiding?

A: That she really is a C*&T

That word stands for "can't understand normal thinking"...hmmmm...

She's already demonstrated she doesn't value "family values" by taking advantage of a damaged relationship, by stealing drugs and using other people's names to fill prescriptions, and failing to produce tax records.

This is not the type of woman I want representing American women as First Lady, here or abroad.

It is just further proof of how corrupt and amoral the right wing is.
It's OK for McCain to call his wife a c*nt and tell his fellow senators "F*ck you" but Obama can't refer to average citizens getting tromped on by poor government performance as "bitter."

Republicans are the more corrupt party, historically. They are the party of sexual deviance, misogyny and felonious behavior. We've already posted the proof. But in the minds of the righties, that's OK.

Just remember the words of Dick Cheney in the halls of the Senate:

"F*ck off"