Well, the Hillary and Bill show is finally coming to Oregon this weekend, with stops in Medford and Bend, strong Republican sites.

Doesn't she know that the Democratic voters are mostly based in the Portland area?

Maybe shes hoping a lot of Republicans will vote for her.

According to Willamette Week, only Bill is coming this weekend:

"A spokesman for the Hillary Clinton campaign tells WWire the former president will be in Medford on Sunday and in Bend on Monday, with additional Monday stops in Oregon to be announced."

I'm guessing the "additional Monday stops" will including Portland.

Andrew

If he gets tricked into doing an event at Lewis & Clark College, I hope someone waits til he's actually physically there to tell him that was Monica Lewinsky's alma mater!

Andrew

I guess Hillary doesn't even care enough to visit.

Well, pooh on her.

Is Bill bringing Monica instead?

Again, according to Willamette Week:

"And the candidate herself won't be far around the corner. She's said she hopes to be here sometime in the next two weeks.

Details to come. Stay tuned."

Given that the Oregon primary isn't til May 20, why are the Clintons "clueless" just because Hillary won't be visiting til a few weeks closer to the primary?

Andrew

Apparently you are also clueless Andrew, as Bill is wasting time and money in Republican country.

Obama has already shown Oregon is important now.

I'M clueless??? You're the one who got the story wrong, no offense. You said both of them were visiting and not coming to Portland, whereas it appears Bill is visiting and probably will come to Portland.

And this is not the general election - this is a Democratic primary, and believe it or not, there are Democrats in Bend and Medford. And unlike the general election, the delegates are awarded proportionally, so whoever wins the non-Portland area regions will pick up delegates.

Maybe Hillary has learned not to cede the non-stereotypical Democratic voters so easily to Obama, who was in Medford last week. Was he also clueless? Hmm, don't remember you saying that last week after his swing through Medford. Maybe because it's not "clueless" to campaign in "red" areas where you can win delegates? Obama has cleaned up in the red states (like Idaho) by "cluelessly" campaigning in them. Had he not done so, he would be not be ahead in the delegate count now.

No offense, but it sounds to me like you simply wanted to take a swipe at the Clintons and were just looking for an excuse.

Andrew

Radioblogman, your generalizations and assumptions have backfired. Move along and try again with another thread on another topic you have more facts for.

I believe everyone has made some good points in this thread. Obviously we all have opinions, and even though I have been outed for not being a starry-eyed supporter of dynasties and corrupt families, I hope we all can still get along in the future.

With that said, I think there are different levels of clueless. Yes, it is clueless to believe that without any real money, without a lead after a majority of states have cast ballots and caucused, and without a unifying individual on the ballot, one can win elections. This is clueless, as are a few other Clinton notions.

For example, Bill was clueless that his passionate embrace of the WTO was opposed by most working Americans until tens of thousands of Union activists were hollering outside his hotel room in Seattle. Bill was clueless when he thought his sexual escapades, his passive approach to massacres in Africa, his destruction of our industrial base and his undoing of media regulation would not be the longest lasting legacies of his administration.

Hillary was clueless when she fought to keep the Little Rock school district segregated. Hillary was clueless when she tried to bury documents both as a lawyer and a spouse. Hillary was clueless when she voted for an unconditional war resolution, voted for the Patriot Act, and took an unconstitutional stand on flag burning. Hillary was clueless when she thought that vastly embellishing her record as a First Lady and then defending her lies would not affect voter opinion. Hillary was clueless when she thought that she was the nominee from "day one" of the 2008 campaign.

Are they clueless on the trail? No. Disorganized, divisive, dollarless and daunted, but not clueless. The decision to focus on rural voters reinforces what the campaign has been doing across the country for months. Bill is in southern Oregon to use his dog whistle. They know that the sort of Dixiecrat nonsense that he specializes in won't wash in Portland, but may still have a chance to stick in rural areas.

The sheer number of anti-war activists in Portland, and the majority of Democrats in these parts who support Obama, create a huge challenge to her campaign. Clinton events have become increasingly closed to regular folks and now often consist of handpicked supporters, big bundlers and loyal donors, much like the GOP races in the recent past.

A large event would take weeks to make perfect for her, so perhaps her visits in Oregon will be like most of her recent stops in other places. She does quite well with small controlled audiences who ask prepared questions and I expect that will be the case here in town.

The Clintons operate far outside the inclusive spirit of the Democratic Party, but they are not clueless. They are, however, antique in their approach to democracy in this young century, and perhaps, in the end, that is the product of a clueless campaign.

"The Clintons operate far outside the inclusive spirit of the Democratic Party, but they are not clueless. They are, however, antique in their approach to democracy in this young century, and perhaps, in the end, that is the product of a clueless campaign."

BINGO.

The Clintons are not stupid. Neither one. I don't even really know if Hillary's campaign is "clueless". Misguided, yes, but I don't honestly know if Hillary has the capability of running a tactful, positive campaign based on the issues instead of a tactless, mud-slinging campaign based more on demomizing the views of Obama (with whom she shares a lot of viewpoints with) along with his character. It makes her look like a ... well, kniving bitch who pouts if she doesn't get her way.

She could honestly learn something from the way her husband dealt with a bad hand of cards, some humility, humor and a willingness to work WITH the other side, make himself look better instead of doing everything in their power to make the other side look worse.

I think the majority of Americans see this. That's why you see Obama, who is by far more liberal, with many more positive marks from Republicans and independents than you do from Hillary. Those of us who aren't Democrats see it for what it is, one candidate that doesn't necessarily represent our ideals in many areas, but is willing to work WITH the other side and do what is best for the United States instead of someone who wants to continue this rut of gridlock and partisan horseshit, just from the left instead of the right like it is right now.

Clinton has zero chance of winning a majority in Oregon.

THANK God!