On the heels of our other thread concerning 60% of husbands cheat comes this....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080320/sc_livescience/cluelessguyscantread women

Men are physical, Women are emotional. Meaning men just want to do the "humpty dumpty" while women want to talk about their feelings all that other crap!

"women want to talk about their feelings all that other crap!"

It's becoming rather obvious you aren't married and it's quite possible you have never been in a serious relationship with a woman.

Maybe in time you'll gain some maturity and have a different perspecitve. We can only hope.

Just a hunch but I bet Chris Taylor is not a Tom Leykis fan.

I don't listen to any talk radio. I got better things to do for my ears.

But yet you are here on PDXRADIO.com

He's not using his ears.....

I hope you realize, Mc74, that Leykis is an act, right? The guy was married four times. You don't get married four times if you only want to have sex with women. And he doesn't even date American women, the hot women all his listeners supposedly want to date. (Then again, I haven't listened to Leykis for a few years now.)

Leykis is an entertainer who found a niche with his "Leykis 101" thing and stuck with it. I don't think he takes it all that seriously.

Andrew

Going on 6 years chris, but thanks for the kind words!

Oh I dont like the guy at all. I have never liked him.

As for men being "clueless" that's true, except I see it the other way, too: women are often way too subtle and expect men to read their minds. That causes a lot of confusion. Men are usually quite logical, women often are not. I've found it takes a lot of reading between the lines to understand what a woman is saying sometimes, and that can be frustrating as hell.

Andrew

I was in front of a radio microphone at the age of 14. I've been a professional radio broadcaster nearly 30 years. My resume includes many Portland radio stations. I currently voice track a morning radio show with my wife in Coos Bay, Oregon.

My wife and I run a recording studio where we do voice over work for TV and Radio commercials, plus we voice many non-broadcast projects for web sites, multimedia presentations, trade show booths, kiosks, message on hold and numerous other audio projects to mention.

Now does it make a little more sense why I am here?

Just because I'm in the business doesn't mean I listen to radio. If and when I do listen it's usually NPR.

Running our home based business ( I also do mobile DJ work), raising two kids and being in a great and wonderful relationship leaves little room for radio, and for that matter TV.

Since I'm on my computer most of the work day coming here is just part of my day.

Edit: Justin my bad and my apologies for making a stupid assumption you were not married.

Now back to the article I posted.

Hey Chris, I have nothing but love for ya! Its ok. I do need to grow up sometimes, my bad and my apologies! I will work on the posts.
BTW- Im not married but I have been with a girl for six years!

Thanks Justin for the clarification.

Well don't work too hard on your posts you do bring a lively perspective that's needed around here.

You rock Chris Taylor!

Get a ROOM!

Men are Clueless


Lesbians are Menless

Yeah, we are somewhat clueless. This is not a totally genetic thing. There are environmental / cultural factors, IMHO.

A big element in this is the norms we are exposed to as kids. Those carry forward into adult life.

I would be willing to bet those men that had sisters growing up, would do better on this, for example. There would be exposure to female emotional expression, without sexual fantasy being a factor. That dynamic lies at the root of a lot of this difference.

That exposure early in life would change this dynamic considerably. Everyone is actually very similar at early ages, with differentiation really starting about grade school time. It kicks in big time with puberty, where a *lot* of these things are learned --or impressed for adulthood.

As adults we tend to learn this stuff far more slowly --like spoken languages are harder as we get older, these things are the same.

The good news is that this learning is still possible! The fact that it is possible is part of why some couples stay couples --they can actually get along!

Women generally enjoy people that can relate well in this way. When this happens, it's one of the things that contributes to that special spark between people.

And that leads me to believe some of the kinds of expression are more genetic than we think.

Everybody does not use the same signals for the same emotion! For the simple and easily identified ones, there is a high degree of similarity. For the more complex, "what are they thinking?" kinds, there are significant differences.

This is very clear in the spoken word. Women have a difference in vocal structure and that leans them toward different resonances and pitch. Easy cheezy. So the core, girl -vs- guy speech thing is about our bodies and genetics at the core.

From there, the learned part manifests as variation. Women, for example, growing up around men, tend to vocalize very differently than women growing up around more women. The reverse, for men, is largely true as well.

---> and no, that does not mean kids raised by same sex couples are doomed! Normal socialization through school and such takes care of that. They will self-identify and do just fine.

For facial expressions and such, the differences are similar. What muscles are in play, when and how vary from person to person. Sometimes they vary a lot, making that person difficult to interpret.

Racial differences are the easiest way to see that in play. Most of us will have trouble with races and cultures we've not had much exposure to.

That combination of things means any one of us maybe didn't get exposed to enough of these differences, in a non sexual context, to pick up a full vocabulary. And that, to me, puts that article into context. It makes sense.

Yes, men are clueless. Here's one of the reasons why:

Today's woman wants a man who can be sensitive. Who's empathetic. They don't want a boyfriend or a husband. They want a new girlfriend in mansheep clothing.

But then women apply a double standard on men: If you cry, you're a wimp. If you don't, you're a mean bastard.

One of many, many reasons why men "just don't get it".

Men are men and women are women. Enough of the feminization of the male species. Women: here's a clue. Want empathy? Talk to your girlfriend. Want a solution to your little problem? Talk to your man. Don't confuse the two.

Glad I solved that dilemma. Let's go have a beer and watch some basketball.

As it seems that there is little shame in admitting virtually anything on message boards like this one, I will come out and say that I am not in any way qualified to dispense relationship advice. After briefly dating a woman, I came to realize that I don't know what kind of woman I am compatible with. In that respect, I do feel very clueless.

Despite that, I never have considered Tom Leykis's "advice" anything more than entertainment. Actually, I liked Tom's show better back in the mid 1990s, when he used to talk about the broadcasting industry and he would occasionally indulge in stories about his own experiences in the biz. By the way, I very distinctly remember that in 1995, Tom made a comment on the air that (paraphrased) went something like: "I've had people ask me, 'Does your show have a website?' No, we don't have one. We don't need one. You want to listen to the show? Then, listen to the radio. What good would a show website be, anyway? What would that let you do--look at our logo?" Boy, was he wrong!

Digression: There may well be shame, just not here. We have a good culture. Be wary of other places on the net.

@Wobboh: Nice man, nice!