While driving on the freeway this morning, it suddenly came to me why there are little cess pools of radical liberals in certain places. It's the fog.

Think about it. Where are two of the worst pockets of radical liberalism on the West Coast? Portland and San Fransisco. Where is there lots of fog? Portland and San Fransisco.

The fog is preventing a clear vision of reality. Now we at least know the genesis of the problem.

Have you ever been to Portland?

Nope, never have.

Well, if you go back through the archives and count up dodges, the majority --and it's a solid majority of dodges are not from those people here who are regularly identified as "liberals".

Fog?

" Fog? "

Yeah. That's what I was asking to myself. Does Portland have a reputation for being foggy? I didn't know that.

Oh that's right - we don't. But keep saying it Deane. Maybe you should vote for Obama after all. You've got the false-to-you " Hope " thing down so well.

CJ, it will take a little more than "hope" to get the U.S. out of the mess it's in.

Exactly. That's what I say too. Fortunately, " hope " is not the only thing that is being offered.

Like, for instance, I cant " hope " there is an inordinate amount of fog in Portland. It just isn't true. But if the conditions are right, it can be foggy. But it's has to be juuuuust right, baby bear.

( This is where Nwokie chimes in with one of his " Actually, if you..." statements. Stop it Nwokie. We are talking mildly undertstandable metaphors here. Put down your " H. Ross Perot Metaphors for Dummies " pamphlet ).

I don't think PDX is known for fog. Here, it's about rain, rain, and that damn rain!

Yeah Deane, it's gonna take work. Lots of work, and having that work focused on the things that need to happen.

Guess when people work their hardest?

That's right, they work the hardest when they've got something to work for, and they know the effort is getting them there. It's the right message at the right time and everybody knows it.

Again, the end game. Is McCain that guy whose gonna get that work done? He's gonna inspire people to trancend this crap and get us all running good for the future?

Really?

That guy is talking 100 years of Iraq! Hell, we are broke ass and bleeding after just a few years! I can't even imagine what it would be like after we pick a few more fights and bleed for another 8 years, let alone 20, or 100!

Keep it in perspective man. So you've got a problem with "yes we can". Ok, answer CJ's question then and tell us why he's the wrong guy --or better, why McCain is the right guy.

What are we gonna get with McCain that's really gonna matter --matter like, "yeah, I want that, I need that, and will work for that."

I'm really sick of the rain this year. I've gotta escape, man.

Deane_johnson writes:
CJ, it will take a little more than "hope" to get the U.S. out of the mess it's in.

It will also take more than cynicism. Seems that's all you've got.

Andrew

What I want to know is how UNedubacated Midwesterners like yourself get caught up with the EXTREME RIGHT wingnuts like Pat Robertson and GANG?
How is it that the Midwest and and South think the same? Is it from buggering your sisters? Is it from getting married to your mother or dating your pet goat.... Your LACK of Edubacation in the Midwest is amazing.... And in you it shows.

Fog in Stumptown? WOW DJ your one IGNORANT SOB!

Let's see, Deane has never been to Portland, Nwokie lives in Oklahoma and Herb is either Canadian or British.

Do we really have to import right wingers. We must have more local ones to add to the mix.

I've never said McCain was the right guy. He was low on my list of Republicans. But, McCain has definitely shown what he's made of and can be respected.

When he was much younger, he was lying in filth in a North Vietnamese prison camp, being beaten daily. He refused to be released until those who were there longer than he was were released. Says a lot about the man.

Now, when Obama was around that age, we now know where he was. Courting a gangster, hanging out with Rev Wright, meeting with left overs from the Weather Underground.

Does any of this say anything to you?

Radioblogman, Deane has been spent plenty of time in Portland. He used to own one of the Portland area radio stations that frequently shows up on this forum. I was just pulling CJs chain when I said I hadn't ever been to Portland.

Let's see, Deane has never been to Portland, Nwokie lives in Oklahoma and Herb is either Canadian or British.

WOW! We've running the gambit of EXTREMEIST RIGHT UNDEReducated white racist humans.

"What I want to know is how UNedubacated Midwesterners like yourself get caught up with the EXTREME RIGHT wingnuts like Pat Robertson and GANG?
How is it that the Midwest and and South think the same? Is it from buggering your sisters? Is it from getting married to your mother or dating your pet goat.... Your LACK of Edubacation in the Midwest is amazing.... And in you it shows.

Fog in Stumptown? WOW DJ your one IGNORANT SOB!"


Trixter, there really isn't anything I can add to your excellent display of intelligence.

Yes, Deane, and in your bitterness and cynicism, you can't see that rising up from where Obama was to where he now - without Daddy as his patron or a without a famous name - says a lot about a person's character also. Obama could have chosen the path of drug addiction and gang banging but instead he went into public service to help people. An open-minded person would respect Obama as well.

Andrew

Trixter, there really isn't anything I can add to your excellent display of intelligence.

As I couldn't for yours! I just put some color in mine for YOU. There are PLENTY of Community Colleges in the midwest that you could try.

Sorry Deane, but that's powerful stuff to me.

I'm not sure I would want to have my life in my 20's examined all that closely. I did some stuff...

Learned from it too, grew from it and am better for it.

Perfectly, absolutely, totally American man. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

And if we are gonna play the "whoops! you did that and are now tainted for life" game, then look around and wonder just who would pass that test!

Nobody that matters, that's who.

An open-minded person would respect Obama as well.

Count DJ out there....

I have to say that I'm really disappointed by the racist and bigoted comments Deane has posted recently. You used to be able to have some civil discussion, but recently you have flipped a lid.

Me as well...

The older generation IE baby boomers and older have broken this country. Plain and simple. That is why now is the time for Change. That is why you see the youth out in force voting like they haven't in decades. Thats what this country needs! A new start. Change that the youth of America can finally believe in.

Its funny about this thread in that its usually the younger generation that is full of cynisism. Not in todays world though. In today's world its people like Deane, its people like my father and countless others of that generation.

I question myself every once and awhile. I question why it is that me and my younger brother are so different from our parents. As we are not overly educated if anything we are undereducated. But we have a difference from our parents and that is that we rarely are manipulateed and we seem to have something that the older generations lack and that is an independent thinking mind. We are self taught in the ways of the world we live in currently.

Another thought that I have had recently that I don't understand is why this countries greatest movements early on were made at the local tavern. Yet my father has always told me something that just doesn't make sense to me and that is that Politics and Religion are the only two things you don't talk about when in the local tavern/bar.

There is no fog in Portland! But there seems to be plenty of fog in the minds of Americans of an older generation. Respect for elders is one thing. But if the elders of this country can't figure out how much there actions have fogged our once great countries future it is time to take a step back and let someone with fresh ideas lead us into the future. Where real CHANGE is not just a dream but reality.

Well, after reading this and some other stuff, I remember why I've been shying away from the political items here. I just don't have the energy.

Carry on those of you with more fight!

I am with you. This kind of crap day in and day out gets really old. More power to you if you find it fun to go back and forth on the same old shit everyday but I am done for a bit.

Mc74 sez: "This kind of crap day in and day out gets really old. More power to you if you find it fun to go back and forth on the same old shit everyday but I am done for a bit."

Yet, you come here again and again making the same posts over and over. Isn't this a bit hypocritical of you?

Mc74 "I am done for a bit."

We'll be tracking your posting activity.

Hey Skep, STFU. stop with the stalking of my post. Dont you have an ex wife to beat or something?

But yet your here Mc at 6:22 none the less.....
Hmmmmmm

"Deane has never been to Portland, Nwokie lives in Oklahoma and Herb is either Canadian or British. Do we really have to import right wingers."

But wait.

I thought the left was all about diversity. That should include geographical diversity, since we're all 'citizens of the world' according to the wayward, corrupt and impotent UN.

Herb

WTF?

Mc74 and Skeptical- GET A ROOM FOR GODSAKES! You sound like an old married couple!

nwokie does not live in Oklahoma, I have some land there, and will probably move back when I retire, but I live in Washougal Wa. and primarily work in Hillsboro Or.

I guess the first part of my post got lost on all of you!

The older generation IE baby boomers and older have broken this country. Plain and simple.

The bickering here in this thread alone reinforces why I feel we need a younger generation in charge in Washington DC!

Do you think the younger crowd will argue less, or maybe just differently?

"Do you think the younger crowd will argue less, or maybe just differently?"

Via text messaging perhaps?

That's totally gonna happen.

Have witnessed a few text arguments and it's hilarious! They get pissed, send off a few, then just have to read that next one, soon it's just this mad battle of the thumbs and trying to figure out how to do the most damage in the fewest keystrokes.

Ya know Missing, "back in the day" when we (specifically we bratty snot-nosed, mid-late 1990s Cascade Junior High students) wanted to piss someone off electronically we'd send them an E Mail memo repeatedly from our Macintoy to their Winblows computer (sometimes vice-versa), filling up their E Mail drawer with what would presumably be "garbage text". (This obviously was in the days before SPAM filters and Unicode became common, which really wasn't that long ago.)

Of course there was always the beautiful little ANSI bomb disguised as that "cool new share/freeware programme u gotta try lol!!!!", but that prank was usually reserved for those we *really* wanted to piss off............ ;o)

And now none of that has any relevance any more. Damn Micro$hit.........

The younger generation that genuinely cares seems to be more willing to sit and listen and work with one another.

Half empty or half full take your pick!

Yep. I'm seeing that. They also are pretty big on cutting some people some slack --like they don't generally go looking for reasons to not like people. I have other kids in the house frequently. I make the computers available, and when there is a homework party going on, and I've got time, I'll jump in for anybody.

Sometimes they will talk to me, on their level, not with the usual kid / adult separation.

They also see race and gender matters as something that gets in the way of having otherwise conflict free lives. That's not universal, but it's easily a majority view. Most all the kids I know, more or less tolerate these differences and focus on other things.

My kids will tell you that gangs, rapes, killings, tagging, school fighting, and other minor crimes are largely empowered by race, gender and economics. We've talked about these things as they encounter them.

Top response: "That's retarded." And I actually enjoy that use of the word on their part.

There really is a generational change coming through. Bet we see it really start to manifest in 10 years or so.

I don't know how it will go on economic differences. All but one of them is not old enough to show their character in that. My oldest has suffered economically, came home, set aside her many trust issues, and wants to build for a solid life. So that's good.

Lots of them appear lazy and entitled though. Where they have some well developed race and gender views, they may be struggling with economics. Expectations run pretty high, and wage earning power is generally pretty low, along with buying power right now.

Will they want to build like the oldest, or deal?

Totally agree on the economic issue Missing. There is this sense of entitlement that everything is expected financially and not earned. I have to confess though in that I come from that same background in that I have rarely ever known what it is to truly financially struggle to make ends meet. One side of myself now that I am older realizes that I am partly to blame but I also blame my parental upbringing. However only when you grow older are you able to look back and see how there were times when your parents did everything in there power to provide for there children regardless. How we always had nice holidays and nice birthdays. The fact that no matter what we vacationed at least twice a year. I also realize though that in retrospect looking back and now as an adult how every individual or family spends there money differently and how what is a luxury for one person or family is a given for another. There is a whole frugality that varies from person to person and family to family. But in the greater scheme of things todays and yesterdays youth kinda just always expect it to be there no matter what.

Its why I think as a whole as a country its time for us to be knocked economically on our asses to gain a respect once again for earning the almighty dollar and relearning economics 101 from the ground up.