http://youtube.com/watch?v=TMl8CU-FC6Y

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright was Barack Obama's minister, spiritual advisor, and mentor for twenty years. He married him and baptized his children.

Obama had to have known the hateful things Wright said about America. I don't see how Obama can win in a general election.

Wright said America deserved the terrorist attack on 9/11. He said America is under the influence of the Ku Klux Klan. And the government created AIDS to infect and kill black people.

Clearly you don't understand how American politics works.

Find some potential dirt on your opponent, amplify and distribute and hope the mindless buy it.

That "ka-ching" you heard is from the Clinton machine adding you to the till.

Obama has associated with these extreme radicals in the past, now he wants to be the leader of the free world.

One does not have to be "mindless" to get a little concerned about this guy.

"He married him and baptized his children. "

They got married & had kids?
THAT'S NEWS!!

There's a bit more than that, but I'm not surprised you're trying to minimize it.

Obama has been a participating member of that church for more than a decade. He has supported them rather heavily financially. He's been tight with Wright.

Before that, he drifted toward the Weather Underground and attended meetings. In case you don't know, they advocated the violent overthrow of the U.S. Government.

From that to the leader of the free world. Shall we stand for the National Anthem ladies and gentlemen.

Where was that concern when you supported Bush, a known alcoholic and cocaine addict who ran businesses into the ground, deserted his post in the National Guard, and never could have gotten into the Ivy League without the leverage of his father?

Extreme radicals? How about the Bush and Cheney's relationship with the Saudi's, the land from where the 9/11 bombers came from.

What previous relationships (Obama)?

It's amazing how the right wing labels anything not in their whacked out belief set as "radical."


What a bunch of tripe. You can't have it both ways. The current batch of Republicans are the most crooked bunch of bastards in history.

Andy, you could be successful as a comedian.

I still don't see how this would influence Obama in making decisions as president. He's too bright and intelligent to let that happen.

No doubt this is some good political fodder for those who oppose Obama under the category "You are known by the company you keep."

But then again I'm not black and have never had any racial slurs tossed my way. I've not known the injustice of racial segregation.

By being a white middle class American male I have built-in privilege.

Chris, if he associates with anti-white and anti-American individuals, and hangs around with Farrakan and the Weather Underground, how can he lead America to greatness? How is he going to all of a sudden put 2 decades of this stuff in the closet. Why would we want to associate with him?

Jimmie Carter was supposed to ride in on a white horse and fix everything for the left also but it didn't turn out so good did it.

I just wish that Obama would admit the pastor is a bigot. He claims that in more than 20 years of listening to that idiot, he never heard any wrong statements. That would imply he supported the pastor's behavior, until he ran for president.

So, which of the viable candidates, if any are free from all scandal?

By the way, when I was a senior in high school, and Bill Clinton was running for President for the first time, our government teacher did a little lesson (with some built-in hyperbole) on how the media and opponents pummel Presidential candidates. She pointed to Jess, a guy who had a long ponytail and then said, "If Jess were to run for President someday, somebody would dig up a high school photo of him with long hair. Then, that photo would be used to say, 'you can't vote for this guy; he's trouble.'"

There's nothing funny about people whom support a moron like Bush, endear his twisted agenda, and buy their party platform hook line and sinker.

The bottom line come November will leave the GOP so totally in the dumper, only then will the magnitude of their failure become apparent to the faithful.

So Andy, is Obama running against Bush? I got lost here somewhere.

The pastor's past behavior is not as clearly documented as DJ would have you believe. The pastor's present behavior is clearly affected by the rise of Obama as a serious candidate. Somehow, no one is connecting the dots that fame and exploitation by the pastor is a distinct motivation for him to speak out. Obama has and will distance himself from those that wish to use his bandwagon as their own platform.

Of course, the right wing will just continue to use it as their fodder for the week because they are too lame to come up with any serious challenges. How lame they are.

Actually Obama is running against Shrub, which McCain is slowly turning into.

The election in November will not be for a Democrat, but against Republicans. Shrub is the best thing that could happen to the Democratic party. Neither Obama or Clinton would ever had made it this far if the country were not so fed up the the lies of the Commander in Grief.

Wow, that's a beautifully written sache Andy. Smooth as glass.

I believe the news is leaking out that the Obama camp was worried about the Rev Wright's effect on the campaign as far back at January 2007. If true, that would sort of indicate that Obama was very aware of Wright's rhetoric back then. If true it would also make Obama a liar when he says he wasn't aware of the statements.

And Bush has hung around with whom??? And now we have what???

A deficit my children's children will not be able to pay off. Thanks for their future.

A war that is beginning to dwarf Vietnam in all aspects. Thanks for stabilizing the fear on that one.

And I could go on and on...

I don't like what this pastor said....I didn't care for Falwell's answer to 9-11 either.... homosexuals. I just don't see his association with these people affecting his ability to be president.

I HAVE seen and been witness too Bush's association with the worst foreign policy failure ever in this country's history.

You tell me.... what weighs heavier?

"And Bush has hung around with whom???"

I don't know who. Tell us.

We would, but the juicy stuff has been kept secret by Cheney's office.

"How can he lead America to greatness?"

Well, let's ask that same question of the three then. That is what this is all about isn't it?

Clinton is all but out. She didn't get the votes and the supers are not very likely to toss it her way and make that mess happen, so that leaves McCain right?

So, it's Obama vs McCain.

The answer to "how will he lead us to greatness" isn't all that pretty for the McCain camp right now, leaving Obama with the higher ground here.

All about the end game.

Do you really want to vote for McCain, or a write in? Well do it then. It's really that simple.

However, if you need to feel good about it, this ain't it. There is absolutely no way Obama is some anti-white sleeper trying to get elected so he can pummel the whites into oblivion.

Obama condemmed those statements quickly and there really isn't anything to be found in his statements and actions that suggest he believes otherwise.

Now, let's look at McCain and the nutbags, he DIDN'T CONDEMN:

Rod Parsley, founder and president of "The Center for Moral Clarity" and leader of the right-wing "Patriot Pastors" (via PFAW) has graced our discourse with these moral nuggets:

-called hate crimes legislation a "deceptive ploy of [the] liberal, homosexual agenda."
-advocated criminal prosecution of adulterers.
-compared Planned Parenthood to the Nazis.
-declared "I came to incite a riot! Man your battle stations! Ready your weapons! Lock and load!" at a "War on Christians" conference.
-urged voters to "let the Reformation begin! Shout it like you're going to carry the blood-stained banner of the cross of Christ the length and breadth of the Buckeye State!" at a political rally.

Heh...

And Hagee is just as ugly!

"Hagee's anti-Semitism is more nuanced. As part of his end-time theology he believes that the United States must offer unconditional support for the state of Israel. Hagee also advocates an immediate strike against Iran. He believes the final battle of Armageddon will begin once a war with Iran has started.



Then Jesus will come. And anyone who has not embraced Jesus as the Messiah will perish. That, presumably, would include all Jewish people who have not embraced Christianity."

Ooohh!! That's really scary stuff isn't it?

http://www.ethicsdaily.com/article_detail.cfm?AID=10186


Isn't it interesting that McCain isn't being called on these nut-bags? He hasn't even repudiated these endorsements and Obama did, right away?

Also it's very interesting that Obama will come out, front and center, to talk about that and put people to ease and McCain just ducks and covers?


Either it's ok to be able to differentiate your own views from those people you have associated with, or it just isn't. That's true for everybody or it isn't, so which is it guys?

Let's play fair here. Ok, or isn't ok, then we line the endorsements up and talk about them, or we take the candidates words and talk about those.

Re: Running against Bush?

Here's a nice noodler: How about we differentiate McCain from Bush? How is McCain different?

I don't see a "new" and "improved" GOP platform anywhere. Do you guys? Without that, it's basically the same play, different face right?

Right now, it's Bush 2.0 with McCain. Anybody care to address that?

Dex and Deane - this is the part that I hate because nobody ever hang out long enough to really shake this out for me. If either of you guys do, I will be eternally grateful;

So DD, knowing this and seeing this with our own eyes - and knowing that Obama has done everything he could to show that he disagrees ( and I'll even grant you that it's late ) what are we to do with that information?

Here are my questions - It'd be great if you could answer them for me;

#1. Are you saying that we are foolish for voting for Obama?

#2. Because if we do, we will be getting a...what?...exactly. A person who is anti-white? Is that want you are saying? I'm really lost as to what kind of President Obama would be, in your eyes, given this youtube clip.

#3. If not Obama, for whom should we be voting? Hillary? McCain? Come on. Say it. I want to see if you can do it with a straight face.

It's Obama by default, the the fault falls on Shrub, Clinton and McCain.

"Here are my questions - It'd be great if you could answer them for me;"

1. Is this really the person you want a leader of the free world? You've looked at the posts outlining the mess we're in right now. Is this really the person who can lead us out of them? Or is his platform just "hope"?

2. I'm saying this is a person who as aligned himself with anti-white, anti-American, anti-Jew persons and movements. More than one alliance. More than just now and then. A 2 decade leaning in that direction. Is that what you want for the leader of the free world? Do you really want Louis Farrakan and Jesse Jackson running freely through the White House?

3. We don't have a lot of choices, once again. But, either Hillary or McCain is safer. Either has far more experience. Obama only seemed safe because we knew nothing about him. When we begin to learn about him, the picture begins to fade.

"Or is his platform just "hope"? "

After 8 years of Bush, hope is about all we have left.

DD's is back!!!!!!

Andy, you could be successful as a comedian.

And DJ you COULDN'T!

Obama is set to address this straight on tomorrow.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/17/obama-set-to-deliver-speech-on-r ace-wright/

Deane, is there anything he could say that could satisfy you, or are you just looking for reasons to hate on the guy?

Deane, is there anything he could say that could satisfy you.

Only the word of DUHbya satisfies DJ. And that is troublesome.
Don't think she hates Obama she just doesn't like the fact he doesn't want to kill everyone that doesn't think like us.

Thanks Deane. I'll answer your questions now;

Is this really the person you want a leader of the free world?

Yes.

You've looked at the posts outlining the mess we're in right now. Is this really the person who can lead us out of them?

Yes.

Or is his platform just "hope"?

When he says " Hope " I take that as " I will be worthy of your trust and will work hard to promote the kinds of things that I have said are important to you and I." So, " Yes." I see that as " Hope." But that's not the only word he ever says.

By the way, you never actually answered my #1. question. You asked more questions - but you didn't answer it.

#2. I'm saying this is a person who as aligned himself with anti-white, anti-American, anti-Jew persons and movements. More than one alliance. More than just now and then. A 2 decade leaning in that direction. Is that what you want for the leader of the free world?

Yes.

Do you really want Louis Farrakan and Jesse Jackson running freely through the White House?

I do not believe that would happen. But to answer your question, no.

Again though Deane, don't make me put words in your mouth. Just answer my question. What specifically do you fear would happen if your worst case scenario you present ( actually, you just imply it - never actually SAY it. So I am forced to MAKE you say it so you can hear yourself...if you've got the guts ) took place. What do you think would happen? Specifically! Think beyond - spell out just a couple things that would happen, in your scenario.

#3. Well you answered that one. " Either Hillary or McCain is more safe." Safe for whom? Safe FROM whom? Safe? You really think that with all the crap I have been through and the way I feel about it that I will now suddenly go all chicken shit and vote for McCain or Hillary to make me think I am SAFE?

Honey, I AM voting safe. Why would I possibly want to risk it all over again and vote for people who embody the very thing that I have railed against for 7 years? For me, the SAFE thing to do would be to try and get the change I believe can happen when a country becomes inspired to WORK for change. If that means I pay some more taxes to fix the shit for my kid, I will. If that means I find myself doing manual labor for a group or program that I believe in and that isn't rife with ineptitude and shitty leadership, I'm all over it.

What's Obama bring to the table? He brings a synical, mildly worried person out from under his fallout shelter to stand up and hope I get asked to do something. And if I don't get asked, I'll go out and find it; Me.

And baby, I ain't alone.

Your alternatives don't inspire me to do anything. And frankly, I think that scares the shit out of someone like you and them.

Remember when that former klansman was running for gov of LA, do you think there was anything he could have said to appease black voters?

Obama is just a mirror image of him.

No. I don't remember that. Sorry.

Does anyone think that, or know if the Bushies beloved Skull and Bones Society has any non-white or even female members?

David Duke was his name. The Demo slogan in that race was vote for the crook, its important.

"No. I don't remember that. Sorry."

That's the reason you're having so much trouble getting a grip on reality. You don't have the historical perspective with which to judge things. That's why liberalism appeals primarily to the young at least for a while, no historical perspective. And, often times, a few too many brain destroying pharmaceuticals over the early years.

OK. Now I remember. Does that make me better now? I wondered if you were talking about Duke.( Admittely, I just play the odds and figure that Nwokie is wrong about something. Sorry man. You've earned it ).

I don't agree that he's a mirror image. There. And if he were, shouldn't I be against him? Why am I not? Oh yeah - because I don't have historical perspective and if I did, I would agree with Deane. No matter what...oh and I took too many drugs...and I probably played ball in the house and wouldn't get off your lawn.

Or maybe it's because I disagree for perfectly valid reasons that I can spell out in any manner you wish. But you gotta say please.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

And Deane, you've no idea how old I am - so you just get back to me when you've got some answers to problems. Any answer. Any problem.

The religious right has been talking this trash for years, but since they are white so they can get away with it. Double standard.

Obama's Minister Committed "Treason" But When My Father Said the Same Thing He Was a Republican Hero

I highly recommend watching the Obama interview tonight on PBS's "News Hour". He made some great points.

What he says about Rev. Wright works for me and it's a non-issue.

Does being married to a person, and having friends with completely "polar opposite" views make me a "bad person"? And Obama pointed out, nationally, "that church for more than a decade" is overwhelmingly WHITE. HE is not accused for saying anything wrong. We ALL have friends that say and do stupid things that we disagree with. Does that we mean we are the same as they are? No. (WPE excepted, he's definitely in bed with his cronies)

Look. The DD's and Deane's of the world would not be voting for Obama or Clinton. So who cares? Both of them are old, white, and fearful. They fall prey to Sean Hannity's racial smears against Obama BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THEY GOT. Think about it, is this really an issue? It seems to me that folks like DD and Deane are just looking for an excuse to defend their lame stances and beliefs because they can't stand on their own. So, the easiest thing to do is to smear and hope it affects the voters. And even more sad is that there is certainly a racist element to it, and it's directed at OLD FEARFUL WHITE MEN.

This is SO true!

It's all about getting Clinton to the front, because they KNOW they can hammer her huge.

Hey, as far as I am concerned, OLD FEARFUL WHITE MEN have dealt me a lotta bad cards. A solid change up, if just for some perspective, would be worth a lot.

---> and DD is back! He got the memo!

Obama 2008: No Country For Old White Men

Seems that DigitalD is right on the money. Along with several others here. This is one Obuma won't be able to shake off.

Where does anyone think his old lady got the idea that there was no way anyone could legitimately be proud of the country. Or, that "Barak is the only one who can mend America's broken soul". Broken Soul?

She and Barak are both convinced members of the choir to that pastors brand of unfortunately, not unique hatred of the country, and it's culture.

" This is one Obuma won't be able to shake off."

OK then Stonewall, maybe, since you seem to agree with DD and others. I'll ask you the same question; How do you believe an Obama Presidency will specifically manifest this obvious-to-you agenda of anti-white? What do you predict we'll see and you'll go " I told you so! "?

Not " what do you fear will happen? " ( Although, to be fair, it may be one in the same for you. Sincerely. I mean, I could list all kinds of fears I have about ANY politican. But to give them equal weight against what I truly believe will happen is not realistic to me. But it may be to you. I just thought I'd note that so I don't come off sounding like I am trying to paint you into a corner ).

What do you believe will actually happen if Obama becomes President? Policy-wise regarding this association he has had in the past.

It seems as though the Republicans want run against Hillary because it would energize their base.

Absolutely. This is probably the primary reason Hannity would not quit hammering on this story.

...and the nut bags that guy has said were good for us, make this look like cake.

I too want to know the what if's. How else to make a value judgment? If a no vote for Obama, then it's either a no-vote for anybody, write in, or McCain / Clinton right?

So sell it. I'm wide open man. Right now Obama looks to be the right person to support. Could be one of the others though. I'm not married to the guy, but I do want the best for all of us.

And to me that means more than the vote too. I'll actually be doing stuff this election year, because it really, really matters.

So sell it. Why not support Obama? And put that in terms of, what you think will happen with Obama as President.



*Please*

Stonewall???
Stonewall???

"It seems as though the Republicans want run against Hillary because it would energize their base."

Republicans better be careful what they wish for.

"Wright said America deserved the terrorist attack on 9/11. He said America is under the influence of the Ku Klux Klan. And the government created AIDS to infect and kill black people."

Ok, while American definitely did not deserve the terrorist attack, It was bound to happen eventually with so much hatred against this country from the Middle East.

Shrub's team is as close to being the KKK as we have in this modern time.


But I disagree that the government created AIDs to kill black people. The government created AIDS to kills gays and drug users, no matter what their color.

And I want to know where all of you right wingers stood when the Republican candidates went to Bob Jones University.

John McCain has an opinion about all of this and he expressed it to Sean Hannity:

"HANNITY: Sen. Clinton claims that Barack Obama has not had the scrutiny that other candidates have had in this campaign.

There is a big emerging controversy about his pastor of 20 years, a man who went on a trip with Louis Farrakhan to Tripoli, a guy that has — his church has given a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan. We now have some of his sermons. He used "g-d America," "the U.S. of KKK of A." "The chickens have come home to roost," he said the Sunday after the attack on this country on 9/11.

He has called him — Barack has said of his pastor, his trusted adviser, he's proud of his pastor. He married him and his wife. He's baptized his kids.

Does that sound like a problem for you?

MCCAIN: I think that when people support you, it doesn't mean that you support everything they say. Obviously, those words and those statements are statements that none of us would associate ourselves with, and I don't believe that Sen. Obama would support any of those, as well.

HANNITY: He's been — but he's been going to the church for 20 years. His pastor — the church gave a lifetime achievement award to one of the biggest racists and anti-Semites in the country, Louis Farrakhan. Would you go to a church that — where your pastor supported Louis Farrakhan?

MCCAIN: Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views.

And we get sometimes — I don't — a lot of those statements I've just heard for the first time that you mentioned. But I know that, for example, I've had endorsements of some people that I didn't share their views...

HANNITY: Pastor Hagee recently, yes.

MCCAIN: ... but they endorsed mine. And so I think we've got to be very careful about that part."

Hannity is a race baiter.

In the past, Obama has spoken about his pastor as one of his principle advisors, thats a big difference from going to Bob jones university, and giving the audience a speach on your plans.

As far as I know, no Republican Politician has called Bob Jones one of his advisors.

Chickenjuggler: "What do you believe will actually happen if Obama becomes President? Policy-wise regarding this association he has had in the past".

One thing I suspect, would be a set of priorities designed to establish a second "Great Society", which would address what he has described as the inequities the poor, especially poor black people, continue to suffer today. And, without any recognition of the vast sums that have been spent to address the situation over the past four decades. Great Society II would involve huge, new "investments" in any and all area's of federal spending, and would no doubt be any more successful in making any substantial improvement in peoples lives.

It's been tried before, and despite the occasional success, only leads to the establishment of a class of people so dependent on socialistic government programs that they are unwilling and unable to join the mainstream of the American society.

I watched his speech this morning, and don't believe for a minute that his association with the racist preaching of his spiritual advisor, Sharpton, Jackson, and others is something he's moved beyond, or is in his past.

Pretend for a minute that Rudy Guillani is the Republican candidate, and it was discovered that for twenty years he'd had a weekly meeting with some new Hitler, Uncle Joe Stalin, Pol Pot, and other Socialist leaders. Would Rudy's claim that despite their language and views, they did work for the welfare of their people. And, that a repudiation of their more "extreme" rhetoric should therefore excuse his participation, long association and friendship with them?

Can you compare / contrast "Great Society" to "New Deal"?

Comparing Rev. Wright with Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot is just plain stupid.

OK compare him with David Duke.

And Obama shares NONE of the views that were mentioned. He said that today in his speech. So you can compare him to anyone. Satan, DUHbya, The Dickster, Nixon or Hitler. It really doesn't matter.....

"As far as I know, no Republican Politician has called Bob Jones one of his advisors."

Yet, by going there, they accept Bob Jones racist and sexist beliefs.


And I know that if I were an older black man who was born before the changes of the late 60s, and still being called N----, I might be an angry preacher.

Yet, by going there, they accept Bob Jones racist and sexist beliefs.

DING DING DING!
We have a winner....

If you give a speech to any group, you automatically accept the groups views and beliefs?

Interesting, so if Obama gives a speech to a group at Berkley, he is automatically anti military? Or if he gives a speech to a womens college, he automatically believes women and men should learn in seperate colleges, or if he gives a speech at a prison he automatically supports murders, rapists and thieves.

Nwokie...
RBM was just showing you how stupid you were being....

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." ~ Albert Einstein

Stonewall - THANK YOU! Honestly. See now that makes sense to fear that. I'm not sure I would like it either. I'm saying I'm NOT sure. It's just not something I have not given consideration to - yet.

But nor am I convinced that he holds the beliefs you assign to him. I'll even grant you that he had a strong association with those who did.

And as you so clearly state " I watched his speech this morning, and don't believe for a minute that his association with the racist preaching of his spiritual advisor, Sharpton, Jackson, and others is something he's moved beyond, or is in his past." is where we disagre. I do not believe that he EVER held those beliefs. So when you say " had moved on from or is in his past " that makes sense that if you think he ever really felt that way, that he is lying now - I assume you think he's saying that to get elected and then will spring upon us his true agenda. That's ALWAYS a wise thing to be cautious about. I admire your critical thinking about it. Trust is a huge thing. You have less trust for him than I do.

It's ALWAYS a risk to do so. I have taken into consideration as much as I can and give things the most accurate weight I possibly can. So for me and you - and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth - I trust him and you don't.

And Stonewall, I don't know much about you - so I'll just ask; Do you plan on voting for Hillary or McCain? Or perhaps even with your reservations you will be voting for Obama? You didn't actually say for whom you'd cast your vote ( if you did, I missed it ). Or, you know, you can keep that private. It doesn't change your point if you choose to keep it private. It's a worthy point.

Thanks again - Sean.

Oh and by the way, if I can find clips from sermons from some of these people that state something more positive - will anyone that currently have a problem suddenly assign those positive things to Obama? Or is it just the bad stuff that he get's saddled with?

Or, you know, we could go with what Obama himself is saying instead of trying to assign someone else's views to him. I mean, he's being pretty clear. I guess, again, it comes down to figuring out for yourself if you believe him or not, eh?

Chickenjuggler: It's too early to decide on a candidate. Despite the two year, or longer campaign to date, there are still more than seven months before a decision will be necessary. Too many things could affect any choice we might make in the interim. When the Oregon primary comes up, as things stand, I'll have a Hillary sign in my yard.

Obama gives me concern. His promises are grandiose, even for a Democrat Presidential Candidate. He keeps very bad company in my opinion. Unapologetically. And, here's a small thing to chew on. How much does his wife betray of his thinking when she exposes "her" attitudes on many things we've seen. I think quite a bit.

Damn, Stonewall, at least one Democrat on the forum who chooses to look below the surface and beyond the seemingly obvious.

I'll have a Hillary sign in my yard.

WOW!

Now Stonewall is a BIG TIME liberal....

"He keeps very bad company in my opinion."

That comment seems to have racist overtones.

Very racist if you ask me...
WOW!

Trixter, and others: You may live in a land where only one race has members who might not fall into the category of bad company. The Twilight Zone comes to mind. Please list those who like you, I presume, belong to this ethnic elite so that we may pay them their due respect based on their superior racial attributes, and skin color.

Siths.

"He keeps very bad company in my opinion."

His "company" is the black community. Would you say that about Obama if he were white?

I see this as a modern day lynching and I think it's tragic that we are discussing what Obama's pastor has said in past sermons rather than working on the real issues such as the economy and the fact that the Iraq war is entering it's 6th year with no end in sight.

Until we see something new, I'm done discussing this matter.

Am curious about "Great Society II" though. I don't know what that means.

If his company were members of the Klan or American Nazi party, or weathermen underground , yes.

Using the phrase "modern day lynching" reminds me of what was in truth done to someone on the other side. This incidentally, had both black, and white vigilantes out to punish someone for what they saw as a crime against nature.

Where were you when Clarence Thomas suffered that true outrage, brought on by his having the temerity to be both black, and a conservative.

If Obama were white, and attended a church led by someone as bigoted, and racist as his "spiritual mentor" for twenty long years, remainded and still remains friends with him, my response would be the same as in this case.

We are not discussing here Obama's pastors psycopathic rants. Rather, a very, very "real issue" in this case: whether this candidate has the necessary character to serve in the high position he is seeking.

"has the necessary character to serve in the high position he is seeking"

On the basis of character comparisons between the three, I think Obama does just fine.

The Twilight Zone comes to mind.

The more posts I read by you it seems you live in FANTASYland...

"Where were you when Clarence Thomas suffered that true outrage, brought on by his having the temerity to be both black, and a conservative."

I was on the side of the woman whom he sexually harassed.

First off welcome to Stonewall. Always nice to read a new poster to our little cyber cafe. I appreciate your comments and observations so far.

It will be interesting to watch the remainder of this race as it plays out. I for one welcome Oregon's opportunity to be in the limelight as a state candidates want to campaign in. Obama coming soon.

Obama is holding his own during this time but it will be interesting to see what Hilary's campaign chooses to use or glean from all this.

I'm leaning towards Obama but could live with Hilary...but just barely.

I heard that Judge Clarence Thomas had to ask his secretary if harass was one word or two!

Sky..
Seems a little racist there...
I'm just sayin'.....

Everything isn't racist. Jeez.

Not racist, sexist!

Pronounce harass; "herass"!!!

Old joke. Sorry.

The Rev. Jeremiah "God Damn America" Wright will be on Bill Moyers’ Journal tonight. He will explain to Moyers the controversial sound bites repeated over and over, have been taken out of context.

DD, how about you watch the whole thing in it's entirety rather than relying on Fox News to decipher it for you? Besides, Rev. Wright is yesterday's news.

"Wright is yesterday's news."

That will probably prove to be not quiet true.

Vitalogy>>DD, how about you watch the whole thing in it's entirety rather than relying on Fox News to decipher it for you?

Comedian Rush Limbaugh told him so.

If you mean quite, not "quiet" I would have to agree with you, especially since his appearance on Bill Moyer's Journal will stir the pot. However, his speaking out will provide not only additional fodder for the right but also a lot of direct rebuttal of many of the hyperbolic extensions and downright fabrications they (the right) has made in the absence of direct questioning by the press over the tapes, which clearly took portions of the sermons out of context to suit their evil motherfuc*ing methods of distortion and lies.

" Everything isn't racist. Jeez."

I have to agree there.

Where is the McCain bashing in the LIBERAL press??? WHERE IS IT??? I've been hearing on LimBLAH and Insannity that the press is EXTREME LEFT? WHERE IS IT????
Is McSame getting a free ride?
DAMN LIBERAL press....

He's old, got mold, and his wife's got gold.

The press will deal with him after the Democrats have a nominee.
Just wait and see.

The real Rev. Wright

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/28/transcript-rev-wright-at-the-national-pr ess-club/

The Rev. Wright is back in the news. Is Wright deliberately trying to undermine Obama's presidential campaign?

I do not believe that Obama holds the same views as Wright. In fact, I'm certain he has said so. But since Wright wants the spotlight, he's got it. And here is what I see in Wright ( and it does not translate to what I think about Obama no matter how much some would like it to do exactly that. For me, it doesn't );

Wright has got an ego that is very off-putting to me. He's got a gate that mixes James Brown and Bill Cosby with a tinge of Larry Craig. That's his style and some respond to it. I don't. Coupled with his actual content ( dismissive and flippant - to say nothing about his inability to answer a question directly ) and I find him irritating to no end.

I think Bill Maher hit it on the head.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-l4dZIew-Cw

Whether you agree, disagree or are disinclined to care about the Reverend Wright, the facts show that he led an active congregation with deep faith and conviction. The church under his leadership had a concrete and celebrated record of working to make Chicago a better city against staggering odds. After over twenty years, he has become well known and respected for community outreach, not for a separatist philosophy.

Partisan politics or not, I see the media spending a whole lot more time on promoting a divide, rather than trying to gain any understanding. Endless spin continues to cloud the truth, blur reality and stir the pot. Using tiny snippets of footage to sum up the legacy of a popular black preacher and feed the fears of white voters may or may not be the GOP plan in the fall, but it is definitely the mainstream media of the spring in action.

Not everything said from the pulpit is going to be comfortable to hear or simple to understand, especially when it is taken completely out of context. Wright is known and revered by many people in the religious community for his decades of work, not just his sometimes fiery lectures. He is well-known for his compassion, not for division.

Folks do not have to like the Reverend. Folks do not have to agree with the Reverend. We must, however, face the facts: Because of our terrible history of apartheid, the black church has provided the only place African-Americans could find solace, unity or a political voice. It is tradition, not sedition.

Demonizing the African-American church experience is beyond irresponsible. Painting folks like Wright as somehow dangerous undermines the very foundations of America. If you are uncomfortable accepting any given prophetic point of view, you have the freedom to reject it. That does not change the right of the prophet to speak without prejudice.

Does the press come running when black pastors keep the peace, raise spirits and build communities against overwhelming odds? Is this country really unaware that church and faith have been at the root of the liberation of African-Americans for centuries? Is Dr. King the only preacher who has been parsed and sanitized enough for mainstream acceptance? How many media outlets spent any meaningful time with Wright during his career up to this point? How many reporters - let alone Americans - actually read or saw the entire sermons in question?

Given an opportunity to actually talk about the entire American experience, the media has chosen to scare folks with misinformation. Given a chance to start a constructive race dialog, the press has been either reactionary, accusatory and divisive, or stammering, flat and dull. Given a chance to actually continue the evolution of our democratic experiment toward unity and equality, journalism has become the color of cowardice and avarice: Yellow.

Deane_johnson:
Obama has associated with these extreme radicals in the past, now he wants to be the leader of the free world.

Exactly what I said when Bush was in bed with Pat Robertson and Jerry Faldwell. What makes this different?????????????????

Exactly what I said when Bush was in bed with Pat Robertson and Jerry Faldwell. What makes this different?????????????????

It's a Democrat. If it isn't one of their own EXTREME RIGHT holier than thou it's NOT ok. Both Robertson and Falwell are a couple bricks short of a full load.

Ya know what I think of when I hear Reverend Wright speak? Black on Black crime. He is killing Obamas chances to win. Hillary must be laughing her ass off.

He is killing Obamas chances to win.

Well, if McSame keeps with his DUHbya plan then he will KILL his own chances. McSame with DUHbya's plans is a sure failure in November.

Who cares about McCain. He aint going to win so why even bring him into this topic?

I care. McCain will be elected president.

Oh yeah. He's gonna be really popular with the over 50, wish there was church every single day, remember the glory of WWII, my friends are all 23 percenters, and God himself brought Bush to this Great Nation to set it on the right path, crowd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKINg8DCUo

...or not.

Think times are tough right now? How about war for the rest of our adult lives?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6ul9iMgmOw

Talk about old school! This guy is as old as it gets!

In fact, we really should be talking about who his vice is going to be. The guy might just tip over any minute! (and hey, I give him full props for motivating himself every day. That's cool, don't get me wrong on that score.)

He's really all about just keeping the status quo. The 23 percenters (who by the way, are the only ones really supportive of how things have gone), wet dream! Another 4 years. They really can't say 8, because... well, he's really old! So, they go for 4 and hope the vice is up to stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRV8Q9IBDxk

Same shit, different guy.

It is extremely unlikely he will be elected President. In fact, said election will be standing proof that we are victims of a coup.

Nobody that matters wants this guy DD. Nobody.

McSame is too old to be president. Besides there is not one issue that he has been on both sides a one time or another. Depend what day of the week or month of the year. The Zodiac?

He even flip-flopped today on using Rev. Wright against Obama. What a pathetic candidate, not even the conservatives like him.

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Hey DD, what are your top five reasons why McCain is the right guy for the job?

Sell me man. What am I missing here? Do him a favor and step up on the PDXRadio stump! I hear he needs the help, so why not?

DD sez: "I care. McCain will be elected president."

Set another place at the November Crow Banquet table for DD. How do you like your bird? Baked or deep fried?