McCain's ethics under question

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Author: Vitalogy
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 7:25 pm
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23263742/

So much for the straight talk express.

Author: Trixter
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:00 pm
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This isn't looking good for my guy....

Author: Herb
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:05 pm
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New York Slimes.

'...an unnamed source....under condition of anonymity...'

Standard leftist hit piece.

Unlike the women who insisted they were assaulted by Mr. Clinton, both Mr. McCain and the female in this poor excuse for a story deny it. Yet the left gave Mr. Clinton a pass and on this one they're trying to take Mr. McCain down before he's even the nominee. The guy's a hero so they have to make stuff up.

I'm a Huckabee guy. But even I can see this as an attempt by clintonistas to shift the focus from her failing campaign and get the headlines off Hillary.

Herb

Author: Littlesongs
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:09 pm
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John McCain was once in a really famous rock group called, The Keating Five.

Why should the news stoop to flimsy accusations when there is so much meat out there?

Author: Trixter
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:12 pm
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I'm a Huckabee guy.

FIRST I'm sorry....
And that must mean you like fried squirrel from a popcorn popper?

Author: Herb
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:14 pm
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Sure, as long as there's some salt and garlic butter.

Herb

Author: Trixter
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:16 pm
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You have fun with that...
And AGAIN I'm sorry your a HUCKster guy...
No chance this year, no chance in 12' or 16'. N CHANCE EVER!!

Author: Darktemper
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:19 pm
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Hey, Fried squirrel is better out of a fry daddy after dipping it in some corndog batter! YUM. And for dessert, a Milky Way with a stick stuck in it, dipped in batter, deep fried, and rolled in powdered sugar!!!!

Author: Herb
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:19 pm
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Actually, if the leftist media has their way, they may end up with Mr. Huckabee.

Stranger things have happened...Nixon being re-elected in '72..in a LANDSLIDE!

Herb

Author: Trixter
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:24 pm
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The HUCKster called it quits Herb... Have you been watch TV as of late? The HUCKster is toast!

Nixon being re-elected in '72..in a LANDSLIDE!

As Clinton was in 96'?

Author: Herb
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:32 pm
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I just watched Mr. Huckabee tonight saying he is still in the race.

Herb

Author: Chris_taylor
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:39 pm
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On this rare occasion tonight I found myself actually watching NBC's newscast, (my teenage daugther had it on) and this story was being talked about.

I am disappointed but not surprised that this kind of journalism is being accepted and for that matter even aired. It's one of the many reasons I stay away from mainstream media outlets for news these days.

This is garbage to me and actually think Herb has a pretty legit point.

Author: Trixter
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:42 pm
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You honestly think the HUCKster has a chance Herb?
Carl Rove spelled it out the other day on FAUXNews saying that the HUCKster needs 83% of the states remaining and that was 2 weeks ago. Hasn't happened. The HUCKster is toast....

Author: Herb
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:47 pm
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Mr. McCain is hardly my ideal candidate, as I'm voting for Mr. Huckabee in the primary. So if what they say about Mr. McCain is true, then fine. Just name the sources and allow it to be vetted like any journalistic report.

But if you're going to slime a man who was held for 5.5 years in a Vietnamese hell-hole defending the constitutional right of this kind of slimey yellow journalism... the least they could use is sourced facts.

Herb

Author: Vitalogy
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:53 pm
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"The guy's a hero so they have to make stuff up."

Yes, it was a shame what the swift boat liars did to John Kerry.

Now, in regards to John McCain, it seems that his ethics don't exactly match his rhetoric. I think he's just another do as I say, not as I do, example of GOP leadership.

Author: Andrew2
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:53 pm
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I don't see how this is a "liberal media" smear any more than the Swift Boat Liars of 2004 were a "conservative media" smear. They could have not reported the story but they did, and they didn't bother to dispute the claims of the Liars for weeks. By then the damage had been done.

Members of the media are both ambitious and easily manipulated, in either direction. I expect to see a lot of stories about Obama in the fall of this year of he's nominated.

Andrew

Author: Nwokie
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 10:24 am
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Doesn't really matter, he didn't have an affair with a government employee, who is in his suervisory chain.

And he didn't lie about it to a judge, under oath.

Author: Trixter
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 4:43 pm
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And he didn't lie about it to a judge, under oath.

And he wasn't exonerated by the Senate either.

Author: Nwokie
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 4:50 pm
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The Senate didn't exonerate Clinton, they just decided not to remove him from office.

A Judge decided he was guilty of lying under oath. It cost him his law license and a few hundred grand, not counting his settlement with Paula Jones.

Author: Trixter
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 4:55 pm
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Look it up...

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1264.cfm

Author: Trixter
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 5:03 pm
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I like these better....
Made a lot more sense!

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/nixon.htm

Author: Trixter
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 5:15 pm
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What I'd like to know is where are are the investigations in DUHbya and Co.???
They're that clean?
COME ON!
At least 70% of America thinks he's doing a HORRIBLE job. I think Clinton's was 70%+ before and 65% AFTER BLEWinsky. WOW!
Maybe DUHbya needs a blowjob in his future.. Might show America that he's human...? Maybe he can admit to Fin' up some stuff while in office?? That might make him look more HUMAN to that 70% that think he sucks???

Author: Herb
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 5:34 pm
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Sorry Trixter.

Not everyone shares your desire for a race to the bottom.

Herb

Author: Shyguy
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 6:38 pm
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Herb just like any person with a problem you have to hit rock bottom before the healing and recovery can begin.

So a race to rock bottom for the Bush administration would be bad thing?

/Been enjoying and learning alot from Dr Drew's Celebrity Rehab.

Author: Trixter
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 6:46 pm
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Herb...
Too bad you have such a BLACK heart...

Author: Darktemper
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 7:05 pm
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It's not that he has a Black Heart, he had the left side of it surgically removed, along with his left brain! A leftbrainectomy!

Author: Vitalogy
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 8:59 pm
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I don't care about anything involving an affair, what I'm interested in is the apparent lack of ethics when it comes to dealing with lobbyists behind closed doors while publicly claiming something different.

Author: Chris_taylor
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 9:54 pm
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I hope this is nothing in the long run. This kind of stuff is going to come out with all the candidates and really is ugly and we should just take the high road.

Author: Vitalogy
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 10:17 pm
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Chris, people are focusing on the adultery issue. For the most part, I don't care if he cheats on his wife. What I do care about is a guy that claims to take the high road, yet is a shyster behind closed doors. That's what we've had the last 7 years. I don't want another 4 years of the same.

Author: Chris_taylor
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 10:23 pm
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I agree Vitalogy, you could put loads of politicians into that shyster category.

Author: Skeptical
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 10:24 pm
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. . . with Dick Cheney at the top of the list.

Author: Littlesongs
Thursday, February 21, 2008 - 11:42 pm
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McCain is for sale. No doubt, we will have harder working journalists present some real facts. He does not earmark, he just greases the skids. Vitalogy, you are astute to point out what should have been the story:

What I'm interested in is the apparent lack of ethics when it comes to dealing with lobbyists behind closed doors while publicly claiming something different.

Who cares if he likes a mousy bottle blonde with a drum-skin facelift? As an outside observer, it seems to me that his wife is more than enough for him in that department. This is why I am disappointed. The journalists had months with the story, but did not dig for the influence peddling to the level that they dug for the smut.

On the other hand, by breaking the story this late in primary season, they actually helped McCain. He has time to defend himself and tidy up the castle. Or, try to cover things up and get caught doing it. All in all, both the NYT and the Washington Post did America a huge favor by sitting on the rumors.

Thanks to their foresight, we can look forward to an election season without having a bunch of neo-con pinheads shaking their fists and screaming in clipped unison, "Mitt Mitt Mitt Mitt Mitt..." Someone needs to tell that fringe of the GOP that the whole Deutschland 1936 motif is disturbing.

Author: Vitalogy
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 11:58 am
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A hole in McCain's defense?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/114505

A sworn deposition that Sen. John McCain gave in a lawsuit more than five years ago appears to contradict one part of a sweeping denial that his campaign issued this week to rebut a New York Times story about his ties to a Washington lobbyist.

On Wednesday night the Times published a story suggesting that McCain might have done legislative favors for the clients of the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, who worked for the firm of Alcalde & Fay. One example it cited were two letters McCain wrote in late 1999 demanding that the Federal Communications Commission act on a long-stalled bid by one of Iseman's clients, Florida-based Paxson Communications, to purchase a Pittsburgh television station.

Just hours after the Times's story was posted, the McCain campaign issued a point-by-point response that depicted the letters as routine correspondence handled by his staff—and insisted that McCain had never even spoken with anybody from Paxson or Alcalde & Fay about the matter. "No representative of Paxson or Alcalde & Fay personally asked Senator McCain to send a letter to the FCC," the campaign said in a statement e-mailed to reporters.

But that flat claim seems to be contradicted by an impeccable source: McCain himself. "I was contacted by Mr. Paxson on this issue," McCain said in the Sept. 25, 2002, deposition obtained by NEWSWEEK. "He wanted their approval very bad for purposes of his business. I believe that Mr. Paxson had a legitimate complaint."

While McCain said "I don't recall" if he ever directly spoke to the firm's lobbyist about the issue—an apparent reference to Iseman, though she is not named—"I'm sure I spoke to [Paxson]." McCain agreed that his letters on behalf of Paxson, a campaign contributor, could "possibly be an appearance of corruption"—even though McCain denied doing anything improper.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 12:44 pm
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I care that McCain or anybody does this kind of stuff. It smacks of Bush all over again and I'm not interested. But it's not making me change my mind about anything regarding his candidacy. Heck, it's practically to be expected by now. I mean, the big thing that works against McCain, for me, is that he would present something WAY too similar to Bush. That's been his albatross for some - a badge of honor for others. This kind of stuff doesn't even phase me coming from him. This is the kind of thing he tries to wear like a badge, but I disdain. Sick of it.

He won't win. And not because of this. He's uninspring. Unmotivating. Will do and say too many things he doesn't actually feel in order to get elected.

Fortunately for McCain, he hasn't lost my vote.

He never had it.

Author: Andy_brown
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 12:56 pm
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The turnout for primaries has been numerically overwhelming for the Democrats by margins as much as 5:1 BEFORE McCain was the inevitable nominee.

Clearly this is because 80% of the electorate is fed up with the policies and leadership of the shrub. Frankly, whoever the GOP does nominate will have very little chance of winning in November. The swell of discontentment is even larger than when the religious right rallied behind the shrub the last two times because Clinton got a blow job and lied about it under oath.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 1:09 pm
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At this point, and I mean this in all sincerity, I want a landslide. If for no other reason than to show Bush what " Mandate " really means. But also to kind of stick it to those who champion gridlock.

Fine. You understand that there are repercussions for enjoying it so much though, right? You reap what you sow and your lack of ability to listen to anyone else while you had your power-grab is hopefully going to teach you a leasson; We will unite with or without you.

Wear a jacket. You're gonna get really cold out there all alone.

Author: Missing_kskd
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 6:24 pm
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Damn right.

That whole MANDATE thing just chapped my ass. It all came down to a small number of votes in Ohio. Hardly a MANDATE.

Yeah, some will say a second term is a mandate, and maybe... But not when the first one was a selection, not an election.

Author: Vitalogy
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 6:26 pm
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Bush will provide the Democrats with more of a mandate come this fall than Bush ever had (or thought he had).

Author: Littlesongs
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 6:53 pm
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I am not willing to tally the poultry just yet, but I am right there with you guys! McCain has little or no chance of winning. If some ghost electorate like the religious right is used to explain away questionable numbers in the general election again, the only way to ensure fairness is to have an overwhelming turnout.

This is why the Obama strategy is practically foolproof and utterly American: Pay no attention to the notion of red and blue states, only to the fact that Americans are voting. Interest the voter, inform the voter, register the voter, and motivate the voter to bring other voters into the process.

Sway a voter and you may have that voter in November, but if you convince, motivate and inspire them, they will bring everyone they know to the table. Damn, with all that money in the way, it sure takes the Donkey a long time to rediscover the simplest things.

Author: Missing_kskd
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 7:00 pm
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C&L is running a few stories today that all boil down to McCain being a victim of the Times!

So now it's rally the troops time!

Author: Herb
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 7:18 pm
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"McCain has little or no chance of winning."

I'm still voting for Mr. Huckabee in the primary, but you forget that a week is a lifetime in American politics.

I could think of plenty of things that could happen to either see Mr. McCain win, or someone in his stead do so. Likely? Remember Gary Hart and the Monkey Business and Michael Dukakis with the tank helmet.

Herb

Author: Missing_kskd
Friday, February 22, 2008 - 7:20 pm
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Please tell your friends --all of them, to vote Huckabee.

Thanks!


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