A post lists a proposed moved of KNRK to Tualatin community-of-license:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?list=0&facid=12501

Are there any open channels left in the market to locate poor Class D KRRC? The station has jumped around from 89.3 to 104.1 to 107.5 and now 97.9.. Maybe 102.3 if that stupid translator does not move there.

In the 60's apparently there was a time when KRRC tried 1kw and played classical music. The old TV's of those days could not handle the adjacent interference to channel 6 so it reverted to 10 watts.

In the 70's I actually heard KRRC on 89.3 all the way in Hillsboro near the airport. It was during a tropoducting scenario over the West Hills.

KNRQ, you mean.
A couple questions:
If they approve this move-in, will KNRQ have to change their calls because they're so similar to KNRK?
Will KNRQ keep their current airstaff? Do you think Vinnie & Icky can compete in Portland like they do in Eugene?

Before this gets out of hand, it's KNRQ. I had a friend whose place overlooked the Stadium Freeway and KRRC popped right in when they were on 89.3!

If approved, the KNRQ calls and "intellectual property" (to use the term loosely) will likely move to another Cumulus signal in Eugene -- they have two under-performing FMs, one of which could use KNRQ's successful programming.

I'm guessing the new Tualatin frequency will be sold to the highest bidder, since Cumulus has no other properties in the Portland area.

Signal moves from one market to another rarely involve preserving formats or call letters, just as the former KMCQ The Dalles airstaff will not be broadcasting into Seattle from the new Covington location.

Tropospheric ducting and other such VHF phenomena seem to be rare around here. However, I remember one winter when an oldies pirate popped up on 98.1 MHz. I was actually able to pull in this station from Hillsboro, using a rooftop antenna! The only other Portland pirate that I have ever been able to pick up from here was the long-gone "Delta-FM" reggae station.

I think that the move of the Cumulus FM into Tualatin will very likely mean curtains for KRRC. Lately, I haven't even heard KRRC on the air, making it seem as though the Reedies don't really care that much about having a radio station, anyway.

Anyone care to speculate who would most likely buy the new Tualatin FM and what the programming would be?

I just noticed that this move would include a reduction in power to 260 Watts!! Ouch!!!

Ok, maybe I don't know much about this kind of stuff, but is there a reason Portland and Eugene can't both have a 96.9? Aren't they far enough apart, geographically, that they won't interfere with each other? Why do they have to move KNRQ to Portland and remove it from Eugene?

They don't have to move anything anywhere, but somebody must think the facility will potentially be a bigger money maker close to Portland.

>>is there a reason Portland and Eugene can't both have a 96.9?

I assume you mean 97.9, and no they couldn't co-exist unless both were "Class A," up to 6000 watts, but likely much less depending on altitude of the transmitting antennas. Class A would barely cover the Eugene market, but would be too weak for greater Portland area coverage. However, as another poster previously suggested, a more powerful 97.7 Eugene and 97.9 Portland might fit into the larger scheme.

The present Tualatin application is in fact for class A status, but once a construction permit is issued they will probably find some way to get a modification for higher power. There may be other factors that have not yet been made public. Otherwise, the proposed 260 watts itself probably wouldn't be worth the expense of moving.

On another thread:

http://feedback.pdxradio.com/show.cgi?tpc=5&post=202602#POST202602

I suggested ch 200 for KRRC:

""*** Use of Channel 200 87.9 MHz is restricted to existing
displaced full service Class D noncommercial educational
stations. See 47 CFR 73.501. Channel 200 is not available for
use by other station classes and services.***"

Perhaps a good spot for KRRC if it gets bumped by another move-in? (after Ch 6 leaves the air)"

This may not work, because of KBVM on 88.3, especially if KBVM adds IBOC digital.

They will more than likely change their call letter as they will probably change their format to Spanish, maybe Regional Mexican.

Cumulus has a single station in Houston so it wouldn't be surprising if they just keep it. I don't believe they would do change it to Spanish. I believe they will keep the station and keep it an English format. Jay_zie....step away from the pipe..

This is the third day I've attempted to respond to this question. The first time, the site went dead after I composed my answer and last night, I lost it after the preview screen. I'll try again: When KNRQ applied to move to Tualatin, it was as a Class C3. Unbeknownst to them at the time was that KACI The Dalles,(which had previously attempted to move to Tualatin themselves and met with failure through an unsuccessful rulemaking process involving several other stations also moving)had applied to move slightly closer to Portland, probably to better cover Hood River. (It is no longer necessary to go through an exhaustive rulemaking process to move a significant distance. The FCC now considers it a "minor change".) To avoid interference and to speed up the process, KNRQ modified its application to Class A. KACI's application has since been granted. Presumably, since both parties wish to move to Tualatin, it seems reasonable that some kind of agreement will be made so one of them can move up here with coverage much better than a Class A.

Geez....All I can say for KRRC is Bye-Bye! There is no more frequency left after 96.3 & 97.9 move-in.

But the questions are....

Who Benefits by the move in?

What does the current audience gain?

Can the market support another station?

Do the current coverage areas lose anything?

Will another station fragment the audience further, and will ad rates decline?

Why Did the FCC approve of KNRQ’s move from Eugene to Tualatin? Eugene will lose its 100,000 watt station To Metropolitan Portland. Portland has more than enough FM stations.

It seems the FCC grants these moves too easily. Is KNRQ in Eugene economically unviable?

Is it too late to stop this move? Where can we send an E-mail to the FCC to complain?

It's a first local service for Tualatin and Tualatin is sustainable on its own, without Portland. The point may be moot however because authorization of KNRQ's move to Tualatin is subject to the final outcome of MB 05-10, which is under reconsideration, being close to satisfying FAA concerns that denied it in the first place. If NB 05-10 does go through, then KNRQ will not move to Tualatin. Instead, KNRQ witll move to 107.9, KHPE to 103.7, KXPC out of the area completely and KACI The Dalles to Tualatin as a Class C2. I believe the latter could very well end up as a C1, slightly reduced like KRSK.

A number of years ago, KNRQ missed the 80-90 docket requiring antenna height to maintain class C. The only reason KNRQ has remained at 100,000 watts is it is "grandfathered" as long as it maintains its current antenna on the current tower. However, there have been some real technical and reliability issues with that antenna, and it is likely it will have to be addressed in the near future anyway.

That means, if KNRQ remains in Eugene the power will likely be less than Class C.

It looks like the only way KNRQ will stay in Eugene is moving to 107.9! In the event that MB 05-10 doesn't go through, they will simply move to Tualatin, probably making a deal with KACI.

According to the FCC website, the minor change application to move to Tualatin was granted on 3/28/08.

See above post. It's subject to the final outcome of MB 05-10, which is under reconsideration.

"It's a first local service for Tualatin and Tualatin is sustainable on its own, without Portland."

But does anyone actually buy that story? Everybody knows that KNRQ in Tualatin would be there to serve the Portland metro, no different than any other Portland station. And it would do nothing special to serve Tualatin, except perhaps an hour at 6am Sunday morning, and probably not even that... right? So who are we kidding? Isn't this just going to mean a slightly smaller slice of the Portland radio pie (and correspondingly poorer programming) for/from EVERY station in town?

I proffer the opinion that an upgraded KRRC (or even in it's current form) would do more to serve the "public interest, convenience and necessity" than any commercial move in.

> I proffer the opinion that an upgraded KRRC (or
> even in it's current form) would do more to serve
> the "public interest, convenience and necessity"
> than any commercial move in.

I would say that it is a tossup, based on what I have heard on 97.9 when driving through southeast Portland. Mostly what I have heard on KRRC is an automated jukebox. I think that there have been only one or two occasions where I heard announcers there. Sadly, the only difference between KRRC and a commercial station on 97.7 would likely be that the music selection played by the automation would be different.

What would be interesting--though it would likely never happen--is if KRRC could make a deal with one of the noncommercial FMs currently running HD, such as KBOO, KMHD, or KBPS-FM, to be carried on its HD-3 subchannel.

Couple of questions here:

1. Who pays the fine if a student says something really bad over another stations' HD-3 ?

2. What % of college students have HD radios?

It doesn't matter whether or not we buy the story. Those are the rules and that's how it works. A first local service gets priority. It will be the same situation with the West Linn move-in. Incidentally, have you listened to KRRC in the last 40 years? Everytime I tune in, what I get is borderline obscene!

Ahh, again the fiction of 'service' raises it ugly head. If you're wondering about how Tualitin will be 'served' by this move-in, let's just check the record of service to their cities of license done by:

KVMX - Banks
KNRK - Camas
KFIS - Scappoose

Forget about big suburban licenses like Lake Oswego, Beaverton or even Vancouver. I understand the need to sell the entire region. And I understand the desire of any station to reach the widest possible audience.
I would be less understanding if I were a civic leader in Banks, Scappoose or Camas.
And I wonder if anyone Molalla even knows the city has a radio station?

Is the FCC still considering the licensee to relocate studios/audio origination to their city of license? That would upset a lot of applecarts...

Has KRSK served Molalla any differently when it changed its city of license from Salem to Molalla a couple a years ago?

Incidentally, have you listened to KRRC in the last 40 years? Everytime I tune in, what I get is borderline obscene!
That seems to be a lucky coincidence. Most of the time when I'm anywhere near the area, I hear either dead carrier or nothing at all on 97.9.

"Has KRSK served Molalla any differently when it changed its city of license from Salem to Molalla a couple a years ago?"

I think I heard them do a live broadcast last July from "The Molalla Buckaroo Rodeo". Daria was there I believe but I can't remember how she was involved. Maybe someone remembers.

"It doesn't matter whether or not we buy the story. Those are the rules and that's how it works. A first local service gets priority. It will be the same situation with the West Linn move-in. Incidentally, have you listened to KRRC in the last 40 years? Everytime I tune in, what I get is borderline obscene!"

Sure, and my point was that the rules as written apply to a fantasyland and have no bearing on reality.

At least borderline obscenity adds some variety to the dial! It may not be your cuppa tea, but there are probably some people out there who are listening to their IPOD right now because they can't hear borderline obscenity on the radio.

Since they long ago took out any requirement that stations even pretend to serve their city of license, why should the corps be allowed to use the remaining shell of the rules to further degrade our radio environment?

When I say "borderline obscene", I really mean to say it's "indecent", which is not acceptable on the public airwaves. No "real" radio station would be able to get away with it and would have been heavily fined or taken off the air years ago!

If indecencies were aired, and no fines have been levied against KRRC, this means that nobody has sent a complaint to the FCC. The lack of complaints over this content seems to imply that virtually nobody listens to KRRC.

When KDUK/(Florence)Eugene went on the air in the '80s, they would have someone read out of the local (Florence) weekly from their local (Florence) studio.

"The lack of complaints over this content seems to imply that virtually nobody listens to KRRC."

Or rather that nobody uptight enough to write a damn letter to the FCC over something they heard on the radio listens to KRRC.

It is a college station after all... Probably under the radar of the self-appointed hall monitors of radio.

I have an evil grin on my face right now...I wonder if a properly documented complaint against KRRC were filed with the FCC, would the FCC act on it? The complaint would need to include the time and date that the indecent content was heard, as well as an aircheck of that broadcast. For the record, I do not have any airchecks of KRRC. How about you, Semoochie?

It's just an observation. Every few years when passing the station and I happen to think of it, I'll tune in, the song will end and within the first minute, someone will say something indecent. Sometimes, I don't have to wait that long because the song will be indecent! I just find it interesting. I have to assume that this goes on all the time and has for decades!

I have actually never heard indecency spoken on KRRC. In all occasions, the indecency has been contained in the lyrics of songs that they played.