"But asked if the country is ready for a female president, blacks and whites both are in agreement; they're less sure...Interestingly, men and women remain in agreement on this issue, too. In 2006, 60% of both genders said yes and this time it's 65% female and 64% male."

Anyone but Mrs. Clinton.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/01/blacks.html

In this case, I would definitely take the African-American candidate over the female candidate.

Why can't we just get past the "he's black" and "she's a ... she!" and just go with the candidate we feel is the best for the job? I get so darned sick of hearing it!

It won't matter, because it's going to be a Clinton-Obama ticket.

Herb

I'm also not keen on Hillary.
I'd much rather see Edwards or Obama.

But I'm curious if some on the right could chime in and state specifically what they hate about Hillary.

To me, she seems like the "least left" of all the Democratic candidates in the race.

I suspect you've been fed such a steady diet of hatred for the last 15 years that you really have no perspective.

Is it the person, or the politics?

If the person, please elaborate.

"If the person, please elaborate."

Hitlery is another in a long line of GD crooks on both sides of the aisle.

A person's race or gender does not matter to me. I look for the best person. And this white bread motherfucker chooses Obama.

"Hitlery is another in a long line of GD crooks on both sides of the aisle"

That's not very specific.
What's your definition of "elaborate"?

"What's your definition of 'elaborate'?"

On here, to save some bandwidth and to suggest Google'ing her legacy of crookedness.

I'm all for Obama too. Having Edwards as VP would be my dream ticket. His analysis, so far, has been valuable and leading edge. Obama has that spark, particularly with younger people. Combined, it's a potent package.

While we are waiting for others, I like Hilary the person. My wife has met her twice, here in PDX as part of National studies on Central City Concern outreach / detox efforts. Nice lady, wants to do good things.

The politics though trouble me. We need a serious change up, and I fear she is not the one to get that done.

RR made interesting comments today, regarding Obama and Reagan. Reagan, changed things significantly, due to his personal skills as a politician. Obama is saying he is similar.

That means potential for solid change, and I'm totally up for that.

Hilary, by contrast, really hasn't said too much other than she can help us to like it as it is now. Not good enough.

Magic Eye said: "On here, to save some bandwidth and to suggest Google'ing her legacy of crookedness."

Oh, no. I'm not letting you off the hook with a copout reply. Specifically list 5 things that galls you WITHOUT resorting to google. I want to see if you're made of substance or BS.

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2)

3)

4)

5)

"I want to see if you're made of substance or BS."

Take a hike, Skep.

Ah, full of BS. Yep, move along people. Magic eye has nothing to contribute.

"Oh, no. I'm not letting you off the hook with a copout reply."

Who appointed you inquisitor? One only needs to have observed tonight's Democratic debate on CNN to realize what a nasty witch this woman is. Nuff said.

Wow, Obama and Hillary seem to have a genuine dislike for each other. One giant pissing match.

Is that your main complaint?

She's a "nasty witch"?

Check it out!

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Whitewater
Cattle futures
Vince Foster
Janet Reno
Rose Law Firm Billing records
900 FBI files

Do you really want to go here?

Herb

Iraq

Change the topic when you have no defense.

Classic leftist spin.

Herb

Come on!

Both POV's are spin. Big time HUGE SPIN!

Frankly, that's why I'm really liking Obama / Edwards. They are new, and lots of this stuff does not apply.

Iraq galls thousands times more than all the things combined you can stack up against Hillary.

Agreed big time.

You mean the Iraq war that Hillary voted for?

Spin that. She had the same intel every other Senator had. And it was her husband who stripped our military, sold secrets, whilst making us more vulnerable.

Herb

The AUTHORIZATION for Iraq, that had CONDITIONS, ignored, attached to it?

Thought so.

Mrs. Clinton remains unpopular among many democrats like Obama and Kucinich voters because of her votes for the Iraq war.

Run Ralph, Run. That'll split the ticket even more. We'll get more conservative justices on that court and pack it real good.

Herb

That is a good point, Herb.

It's been said: 'Vote for a Republican, and at least they're honest about being in Iraq indefinitely. Vote for a Democrat, and they will say something like they support a timeline or gradual whatever, which means they're lying and we'll be in Iraq indefinitely.'

Please note that I'm not bashing Democrats, nor supporting Republicans!

My recommendation: vote for a third party candidate! And NOT Nader!

I actually like Ralph. Like Mr. Huckabee, he connects with his constituents, he's far less phoney than most politicians and a true believer.

Maybe Huckabee-Nader? Or would that be Nader-Huckabee?

Herb

ALWAYS Change the topic when you have no defense.

Classic EXTREME REICH EVANGELICAL spin.

The HUCKster is toast!

got it Herb. Thanks!

Run Ralph, Run. That'll split the ticket even more.

And now that the HUCKster is toast.... Herb. You going for Rudi??? Toast also??? McCain your man??? Your NOT going to get a Bible THUMPER in McCain.....

Lets see, the troll started his wish with "whitewater", something she was cleared of. I shall not wade through the others on the list if the troll takes a dump on the very first one.

Magic Eye, I'm not some conservative sheep that nary raises a voice. Too bad you can't handle ones with their own mind. So now you're telling me I should have watched the debate??? Whats so hard about naming 5 things that made you reach the conclusion she's "Hitlary?"

Whitewater
Cattle futures
Vince Foster
Janet Reno
Rose Law Firm Billing records
900 FBI files

Just for the heck of it, I'll take number three.
Do you believe that Hillary had Vince Foster killed, perhaps did it herself?

You left out Ron Brown.

Herb

Now list DUHbya's F ups.....

Herb.. YOUR first!!!!

Border security.
Not vetoing more lefty spending bills.

Herb

9/11
Iraq
Torture
Debt

That's it Herb???

YOU'VE got to be F'in kidding....

SPIN ON!

If that's it Herb then Slick Willy must have been the BEST Prez America has EVER had.

Herb writes:

Maybe Huckabee-Nader? Or would that be Nader-Huckabee?

I could live with Nader-Hicabee. Just as long as ol Hic isn't the one dictating foreign policy and picking supreme court judges.

Actually, I say let Mr. Nader work his magic on everything except Supreme Court judges and fighting terror.

If Ralph wants to re-vamp the tax system, fine.
If Ralph wants to work on schools, 'corporate welfare,' the safety of automobiles, even global warming, that's a-okay with moi, as our French pals say.

Just give Mr. Huckabee say in choosing the court in order to undo Roe v. Wade, and give him some good anti-terror duties and I'm fine with Ralph for the top job.

Nader-Huckabee it is. Bork II here we come!

Herb

Just give Mr. Huckabee say in choosing the court in order to undo Roe v. Wade.

WON'T happen in your lifetime or mine... Just like the HUCKster Herb... YOUR TOAST!

Go ahead and be a naysayer.

They said the exact same thing about the Berlin Wall coming down.

History is on the side of life. And with obstetric imaging technology, anyone who sees pictures of those little fingers and hears that tiny beating heart knows it.

Herb

NOBODY and I say NOBODY thought that Roe V Wade would have come about either.

When YOU and all your EXTREME REICH EVANGELICAL Zealots come up with a plan to PAY for all the kids that NOBODY wants without TAXING me and EVERYONE else. Then you'll get your dream....

Reich?

Wait a minute. I'm for defending life and you compare me to a nazi. Then since you brought it up, who's the REAL nazi, defending the slaughter of innocents?

And who's the REAL nazi, giving dogs more rights than unborn children?

Ever hear of Margaret Sanger? She's the one who started so-called 'planned parenthood.' She and Hitler were proponents of 'eugenics.'

http://www.acts1711.com/sanger.htm

Before you slime someone, better get your facts straight. Reich, indeed.

Herb

You defend the slaughter of innocents in Iraq, so you're just as much a nazi as anyone else.

I'm glad Planned Parenthood exists. They provide a necessary service to women.

"..You defend the slaughter of innocents in Iraq..."

Oh, really Mr. Fact Checker? Show me where I've defended the slaughter of innocents in Iraq. You won't because you can't.

You and Trixter better get your national socialist stories straight.

Herb

You and Trixter better get your national socialist stories straight.

Defending DUHbya you did just that!

GAME OVER!

No. You don't get to slither away so easily.

Game over indeed.

Herb

Herb, by supporting the Iraq war, you, by default, support the slaughter of innocent life.

That's the logic you apply to those of us that are pro-choice, so that's the logic I will apply to you in your support of unnecessary war.

'...by supporting the Iraq war, you, by default, support the slaughter of innocent life.'

Sorry, actually the reverse is true. By not supporting the Iraq war, the left, by default, supports the slaughter of innocent Kurds and anyone else who stood in the way of Saddam Hussein.

That's like fucking for chastity Herb.

The US has slaughtered more innocents that Saddam could ever have. So, my statement stands. You support slaughter of innocent life just as much as a pro-choice person supports the slaughter of innocent life.

Spin that.

Well, since its not true, no spin needed.

the US has killed very few innocent iraqi's.

A lot of iraqi's have died at the hand of the insurgents since the US liberated them, but even that number is lower than the number Saddam killed.

Don't forget Obama is also a white male raised more as a white man despite getting his coloring from his father.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead as a result of our invasion. They would be alive if Saddam was still contained.

And, we're not comparing how many Saddam killed in the past. We're only looking at 2003 and on. The US beats out Saddam in number of killed hands down since 2003.

"the US has killed very few innocent iraqi's."

What a moron.

Thats like saying the US is responsible for the civilians killed by the Germans in WWII, or civilians killed by the Japanese.

Comparing Iraq to WWII is like comparing apples to horses.

'The US has slaughtered more innocents that Saddam could ever have.'

Wrong. Prove it.

Herb

Including the Kurds that Sadam killed with Reagan Administration Mustard gas.

Nwokie said>>>
the US has killed very few innocent iraqi's.

What??? 10?? 15???
COME ON! Your head is so far up DUHbya's butt you can't see anything BUTT the lies.....

Herb, the facts are out. The US has indeed slaughtered more innocent Iraqis than Saddam could ever have dreamed. Saddam was contained and incapable of the mass murder George W. Bush has allowed to happen since our invasion. If the score is number of deaths, Bush beats out Saddam hands down.

And your source is...?

Herb

Saddam has killed hardly anybody since the end of combat in 1991. The US has killed hundreds of thousands since just 2003. Body bags don't lie, but you do.

What are you sources Herb?

"the US has killed very few innocent iraqi's."

Off the cliff he goes!