Up all night, watching sdtv on indoor antenna, still.
Flipping the dt channels, Koin dt1 was showing paid programing and something wierd on 6.2!
A Movie! I hope the other stations do that with their dt channels!
Also, Ch 52 now Azteca something.
They must have had a power increase or an antenna change!
It's at least a 75% very usable signal!
When it was Kwvt, i could barely get audio.
I used to use tvradioworld.com as a guide.
But it looks like when they became radiostationworld.com, they dropped the tv information part.
Is there another site that lists the tv like tvradioworld did?

KWVT is now on Channel 17 and is kicking butt in power!!

I know what you mean itsvern...I miss the TV listings. I don't live in Salem, what is the programming on KWVT. What kind of local shows do they have on there ??

it looks like when they became radiostationworld.com, they dropped the tv information part.
Huh... looks like that must have happened recently - it was there not that long ago.

I'll admit the following site isn't as pretty as the former TV Radio World or as easy-to-read as the old 100,000 watts (remember when the masses could access it for free?), but this site has quite a bit of TV channel information (I should add no other stuff like websites or whatever, but hey one can't expect everything):
http://w9wi.com/

I don't live in Salem, what is the programming on KWVT.
They have a website: kwvtsalem.com.
Oh, wait they have two: nwtv.us.

"KWVT is now on Channel 17 and is kicking butt in power!!"

I see a construction permit on the FCC site for 35 KW...Should hit Mac pretty well! Are they on with that now? If so, I will get out my UHF DX antenna and give it a try from Hillsboro.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=TX1218182.html

I tried channel 17 analog today, and nothing there. Their website said channel 14 will be aimed at McMinnville. But it's taking them a long time to get it going.
I read on another website that KPXG DT4 is going to be on DT22.1-4 next Februrary.
Most of the time i don't get KGW DT.
I'm getting limited basic cable next month. Comcast is advertising they will always have analog catv, so many people with basic won't need new tv's.

What to do with those extra channels is doing to be TV's interesting challenge in the coming months and years as analog disappears.
The Mhz stations in suburban DC do something that some of the fringe stations might consider: Instead of going DH, they're using their bandwidth to create FOUR standard-def channels. As an outlet for all kinds of international programming Mhz has its traditional block programming (an hour of Italian news, 30 min of Polish news, etc etc) on one channel, an all-Japanese service on another, France 24, France's version of CNN on another, an all India/Pakistan channel, etc. Since Mhz has two stations in the DC area, it's a total of EIGHT signals. They even clear a traditional US shopping channel to help pay for it all!

I have seen Low Power uhf stations on full power dtv channel.
In Eugene - KLSR-TV on dt-1 and KEUG on dt-2!

Comcast, ION Media Networks Reach Distribution Pact:
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6522491.html

Well we have been quite about changes in progress but 35kw is coming soon as well as other changes. As to TV listings we have them in PDF on the website kwvtsalem.com but also try using zap2it.com the Statesman will have our listing back in got lost in their big change out but you get better info at zap2it all the info we submit including more detailed info on many shows.

If you need more info please feel free to drop an e-mail

Here's a new way to use that extra channel, at least for a few hours, courtesy of DCRTV.com in Washington DC:

Channel 9/WUSA plans to run some of CBS's "March Madness" college basketball on its digital 9.2 subchannel, which normally carries weather radar. That's channel 203 on DC area Comcast systems. Including the WVU/Xavier game on Thursday evening. "We wanted to give those West Virginia fans in our (market) a chance to see the Mountaineers' game as well as satisfying a majority of our viewers' desire to see arguably the tournament's number one seed North Carolina and their possibility of being upset, on Channel 9. Everyone wins, really," a 9er tells us.

Of course, worrying about which Northwest team to watch is pretty much a moot point.

Comcast with 'forever' CATV. mm? Good for them and those who are on Comcast.

Charter TV over here is saying ( at least so far ) no such thing and has even avoided promising anything past 18 months beyond Feb 2009.

I have noticed that many times when ch 6 (analog) and 6.1 (HD) are broadcasting a sporting event, 6.2 (Digital SD) is dark, anybody here know why they do that?

They might be looking in the thrifty nickle for another STL uplink.

During HD sports KOIN usually shuts off the 6.2 simulcast to give the HD more bandwidth. Not during March Madness though...they put a second game on 6.2.

During normal weeks, 6.2 is a 4x3 simulcast of 6.1 except for 7-8am Saturday when they run two Beakman's Worlds and Saturday nights at 1:35am when 6.2 airs a movie.

This jibes with what I have been told. CBS Sports demands the full bandwidth of CBS affiliates, which precludes any CBS station from offering some other full-time program stream on a sub-channel. Eugene's NBC affiliate (KMTR 16) runs the CW network on a sub-channel.

Does anyone know what is up with Comcast 306?
300 series is generally for overflow (310-311) or
special weather(308). 306 programs mirror
Ch 6 / 706.
Is this for NCAA tournament and no one knew about it?

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"During HD sports KOIN usually shuts off the 6.2 simulcast to give the HD more bandwidth. Not during March Madness though...they put a second game on 6.2.

During normal weeks, 6.2 is a 4x3 simulcast of 6.1 except for 7-8am Saturday when they run two Beakman's Worlds and Saturday nights at 1:35am when 6.2 airs a movie."

I have to ask, why bother with 6.2 at all?

Scott_young said:

"During HD sports KOIN usually shuts off the 6.2 simulcast to give the HD more bandwidth. Not during March Madness though...they put a second game on 6.2."

Cool! they are doing that right now! Ch. 6(analog) and 6.1 (Digital HD) have WKU vs UCLA and 6.2 (digital SD) has Lou. vs Tenn. Do they ever broadcast three games at the same time?

In the earlier days of DTV there wasn't always an HD game available during the NCAA tournament. When there was no HD game available to air on 6.1, KOIN would air three standard definition games at a time. Each was given an equal amount of bandwidth.

Thanks! I thought I remembered something like that. A couple of years ago, I was playing with a Humax HFA-100 ATSC box and think that I briefly saw three games on 6.1, 6.2 & 6.3 (or was it 6, 6.1 & 6.2?) before the darn thing locked up. It seemed to have problems with multiple digital broadcasts, and was about as sensitive as a xtal set.

Yeah, there've been times when they'd air a game on the analog, a different game in HD on 6.1, and another game on 6.2. All that local insertion makes for interesting times in Master Control!

Here's my local tv observation: local tv news is stupid. They cover stupid $#!* that no one cares about.

Ok "The Dude2" what would you do better than the local stations ? Rating wise in Eugene I believe it would be KVAL is #1, KEZI not even a close second and KMTR, why even bother. Yes KVAL has been going through some personel changes but all stations have people moving up in the biz. KEZI, Korenza Burris is a decent anchor but can carry the show on her own. If I could put together a awesome lineup for any one station it would be:

5-7a Kellie Warner -KMTR
Shelley Kurtz - KVAL
wx Al Peterson KVAL

5 &6p David Walker - KVAL
Jennifer Winters -KVAL
wx Dave Sweeney -
sports Nick Krupke - KVAL

11p David Walker - KVAL
Matt Templeman - KMTR
wx Dave Sweeney
WX Nick Krupke


Just my opinion

Another DTV observation... I have noticed that when most Portland HDTV (1080i or 720P) channels transmit a 4:3 picture, the aspect ratio is usually a little wider than a true 4:3 (1.333) perhaps to better fill a 16:9 (1.777) screen. Most *appear* to slightly enlarge the total image, so that a slight amount is cut off on the top and bottom of the wider image. KATU ch 2.1 appears to go a step beyond this to obtain an aspect ratio of 3:2 (1.500). It looks like they slightly "stretch" the image in the horizontal direction, as well as cut off some in the vertical axis. While this does a nice job of filling a larger portion of a 16:9 screen, people appear a little "fat". The images on the Digital SD channels (such as 6.2 8.2 etc.) measure a perfect 4:3 (1.333).

Anybody else notice this, or have I got a problem in Sony-land?

I can't speak to the KATU situation, but a slightly wider 4:3 might just be the standard overscan built into sets.

I wouldn't think an LED display would need overscan to compensate for picture shrinkage with age though, like CRTs did. I don't know about plasma.

I like the use of the word "did". Are CRTs completely gone now?

KATU does not alter their video. They don't stretch or cut anything.

Normal SD video has overscan. That is normal, unless you put your monitor into Underscan mode.

Radiogiant: Maybe they could stop covering the same old stupid $#!+ like snowflakes in the West Hills and cooking demonstrations from whatever trade show is happening at the Convention Center. That would be a start.

"Are CRTs completely gone now?"

Mostly ! 111 years after Karl Ferdinand Braun's "indicator tube" it is difficult to find a CRT TV set in many stores. I am sure that CRTs for special applications will be around for a while, however.

Magnavox makes a couple of SD CRT sets with digital tuners that allow people to receive broadcast digital at a price much lower than buying an HD monitor.

I have never seen a 16:9 CRT though.

The only special application I know of for a CRT right now is at the bottom ( face down according to Waste Management Inc. ) of a disposal can or dumpster.

WM says you can just throw these away as long as they are under 27 inches diagonal. They ask for the safety of their drivers that you bring larger units in to the recycling centers " conveniently located in a town near you " ....

Toshiba made (or perhaps still makes) several models of (16:9) CRT HDTVs such as this one on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-34HFX85-Cinema-widescreen-silver/dp/B000BFJ3TI/ref =pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1206818814&sr=8-1

Still can't beat CRT phosphor for color rendition, but the Toshiba is 2 feet deep and weighs over 100 lbs...OUCH!!!

Sooo, what your telling us is that KEZI and KMTR don't cover the same stories. I just think you have a beef with KVAL. Are you a former employee ?

I prefer the CRT. Color is more true. I don't have to be directly in front of it. One thing about flat panel LCD's. We have them at work and if you stand up, you lose detail, The LCD off-air tv monitor for HD must be pointed towards where you normally sit or you lose detail, Plasmas were expensive and have problems more often than LCD screens, etc. The good thing about having them at work, it lets me know I don't want them at home. I also don't want widescreen on my computer. I like big and tall. I do a lot of video editing and the colors are better on the crt's and the taller aspect ratio leaves room for big timelines with many tracks without having to scroll through them. Yes, my main editing computer has two side-by-side 22" monitors with everything spread over both screens. That way, I can have all needed windows open all the time without having to scale and shrink.

Plus my CRT monitors have been working fine for over 10 years. They are big but the colors and brightness are more natural.

It is all a matter of what you prefer.
One day I will have to change but until then, I'll hang onto the old crt's.

When I asked about CRTs, I wasn't talking about computer monitors, only TVs. Large screen CRTs are bulky and expensive and the last I heard, 36 inches was the largest size available so if you want 42 inches or larger, you're out of luck. On the other hand, I can easily pick up and maneuver my LCD TV.

In 1986, in several papers, Matsushita described a HUGE 43 inch 4:3 Color CRT that had 110 degree deflection (so it was only 24 inches overall length). It weighed 187 pounds! I don't know if it was ever used in a product.

"In 1986, in several papers, Matsushita described a HUGE 43 inch 4:3 Color CRT that had 110 degree deflection (so it was only 24 inches overall length). It weighed 187 pounds! I don't know if it was ever used in a product."

I don't think I would want a TV with *that* big (wide) of a footprint.....I'd probably have to find a seperate room to keep it in. Even my 36" Panasonic GAOO can sometimes be a bit much in my small flat.

At anything significantly larger than 36 inches (like 42 or so), wouldn't the CRT be even more susceptible to implosion than something smaller (like a 36 or 27")?

From what I understand, you would definately NOT want to be standing around when your TV screen blows up........

"wouldn't the CRT be even more susceptible to implosion than something smaller (like a 36 or 27")? "

Not necessary... if this tube were used in a product, it would have to pass the SAME UL testing as the smaller types. Protection for larger crts is usually provided by a tension band around the front panel of the CRT to place the panel glass into compression. Glass in compression is VERY strong. The t-band also provides a solid attachment point for the "ears" used to mount the CRT into the cabinet. I would guess that the t-band tension for the 43" tube would be thousands of pounds!

Well my last post did not post.

Looking for reception reports on KWVT. With the new pattern and power we seem to be getting out through out the mid valley except McMinville and ALbany/Corvallis. Dodger likes old movies and if you could look at the evening to see how they look if you could but would like to hear if we are gettin out there in homes. Tower in in West Salem hills.

From Hillsboro, I can detect a video carrier on 489.24 Mhz (Ch 17 minus) on a VHF communication receiver (Icom 8500) in CW mode. Faint audio on 493.75 also... nothing on my TV
Will try a better UHF TV antenna later.

Ken, are you the latest DTV/HDTV station???
Actually have to press another button on my TV now to go analog!

Not DTV today _______ could be v..e...r..y soon will let you all know when that happens. As to where you SHOULD see us you can go to the website and look at the map. What I am hoping is that Canby South, Molalla West, Sharidian East and South Salem North how well we are getting to you.

How are sales going for your station Ken ? Are the local programming shows doing well ?

You guys are being recieved quite well here in Sheridan.

THanks Qpatrickedwards we should be shooting right down your valley toward the coast so that is what like to hear.

As to more local shows and with it local exposer for bussiness (read ads for them) I think we have such an untaped pool of programming that we could go 12hr a week without news and only take the cream of the programming.