Bhutto

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Author: Chickenjuggler
Friday, December 28, 2007 - 7:28 pm
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For the record, what I knew of her, I liked. But those kinds of feelings aside, it's all quite odd how The Pakistani government has handled it. I'm not saying it's been bungled ( although someone else could make that argument, I bet ) but being a bit wary of Governments in general, here's my take;

First it was a " shot to the neck " that killed her.

Then it was shrapnel from a bomb.

Then it was her head hitting some part of her car.

Now it's her head hit part of her car as the shock of a bomb made her head slam into something on her car.

And it's being blamed on Al-Queda because during an intercepted phone call between Al-Queda members someone congratulated another member on her death.

All of which may very well be true. Sincerely. It could have been all of those things that happened.

What I find interesting is that what looks like mis or disinformation, could actually help things remain relatively calm. I mean, what better way to diffuse a potentially havoc making situation than general confusion about what and how it happened - giving everyone a chance to be just, you know, generally angry - but with no way to direct it. And then come out and say " It's Al-Queda." to focus eveyone's attention on one source. I'm not saying Al-Queda doesn't deserve to be hated. I'm saying that if this pans out to be another diversionary tactic - on ANY level - well...I don't know. Something akin to " You reap what you sow " comes to mind.

Admittedly, I don't know tons about the big picture over there. But I fail to understand why a candidate for office in Pakistan getting killed somehow puts their Nuclear weapons in jeopardy. Is that just based on the general chaos that ensues? Or is someone trying to claim ( FOX ) that there are different people in charge of being able to launch missiles now that Bhutto is dead? I don't get that at all.

Anyone?

Author: Magic_eye
Friday, December 28, 2007 - 7:45 pm
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Here's an article in the London Telegraph that may help.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Friday, December 28, 2007 - 7:59 pm
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That does help. So really, Bhutto being killed doesn't have any effect on the security of their missiles.

Author: Vitalogy
Friday, December 28, 2007 - 11:07 pm
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What I find interesting is how people are afraid of Iran but have never heard of Pakistan.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Friday, December 28, 2007 - 11:10 pm
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It's because they have been told to be afraid for so long that not enough people ever ask why. It just get's drilled into us my the machine. It's more than a little pathetic.

And frustrating.

Author: Skeptical
Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 12:30 am
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More terrifying than the chaos following the assasination is that we've a dumb cluck in the White House who has to figure it all out and respond to it.

I wish, I wish for a few more marbles for our President so he doesn't hose anything else for the next 13 months.

Author: Nwokie
Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 11:25 am
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US Special Ops personnel are guarding their nuclear warheads, and if things get out of hand, will remove them.

Pakistan is not nearly as important to the US's national interests as Iraq is. They are a useful ally in fighting Al Queda, and in isolating India.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 11:46 am
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" US Special Ops personnel are guarding their nuclear warheads, and if things get out of hand, will remove them "

How do you know that? I personally would have no problem with that happening. But how do you know that?

" Pakistan is not nearly as important to the US's national interests as Iraq is."

Would you mind explaining that some more? Are you referring to our current interests? Like, say, the fact that we are occupying Iraq and therefore NOW it is much more in our interests? Or for some other reason?

Author: Vitalogy
Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 12:22 pm
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Uh, I would say that a nation that is in turmoil AND has nuclear weapons is much more of a threat than Iraq is to US interests. Only an idiot would think otherwise.

Author: Nwokie
Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 12:38 pm
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How do I know that, 2 ways, special ops command has made a public announcement of that fact, and b I know 2 guys assigned over there. That isn't classified, or even considered senesitive info.

The fact we are essentially in control of their nukes, has been publicly announced.

Iraq sits on a trade route that is of vital US interests, if trade to the region is disrupted, the American Economy takes a serious hit, and with a major increase in energy costs, a lot of Americans will die.

Author: David
Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 1:08 pm
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Simple Google Search found this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/washington/18nuke.html

Author: Chickenjuggler
Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 2:38 pm
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Alright. So there's nothing to worry about then?

Author: Chickenjuggler
Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 2:39 pm
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And " trade route "? What trade route is so vital that we didn't already have access to before?

Author: Trixter
Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 3:14 pm
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Vit said>>>>
What I find interesting is how people are afraid of Iran but have never heard of Pakistan.

FAUXNews baby. If it's on the RNC's agenda and DUHbya is talking about it it's what the people know. BAAAA BAAAA

Author: Nwokie
Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 4:25 pm
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Its not access before, its keeping the routes open, and ensuring the right of travel, for US goods to and from.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 5:41 pm
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To and from Iraq? Nwokie, you've mentioned " trade routes " before. I can't remember how or if you explained it - so I'll just ask again;

What trade route exactly are you talking about? What product simply HAS to go through Iraq? Oil? Are you talking about a pipeline?

Author: Chickenjuggler
Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 5:42 pm
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And right of travel? You mean like over their airspace?

Author: Skeptical
Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 7:55 pm
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The Marco Polo direct-land right-of-way apparently.


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