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Author: Herb
Monday, November 26, 2007 - 4:41 pm
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton trails five top Republican presidential contenders in general election match-ups, a drop in support from this summer, according to a poll released on Monday.

Clinton, a New York senator who has been at the top of the Democratic pack in national polls in the 2008 race, trails Republican candidates Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, John McCain and Mike Huckabee by three to five percentage points in the direct matches.

Some Democrats have expressed concerns about the former first lady's electability in a race against Republicans. The survey showed Clinton not performing as well as Obama and Edwards among independents and younger voters, pollster John Zogby said.

"The questions about her electability have always been there, but as we get close this suggests that is a problem," Zogby said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2645320920071126

Author: Vitalogy
Monday, November 26, 2007 - 6:38 pm
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I don't think it will matter, as it's my belief Obama will win the nomination and will beat any Republican challenger.

And with the volatility of polls this far out, I don't put too much stock in them anyway, other than to see the trends.

Author: Nwokie
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 3:23 pm
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Obama has almost 0 chance in a national election.
He will win fewer states than Gore or Kerry.
The fact that hes an ultimate liberal, will doom him in the south and midwest and mountain states.

Author: Listenerpete
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 4:16 pm
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This just shows you how dishonest Herb really is. He eliminated the second paragraph of the article which reads in part: "the survey by Zogby Interactive showed." For those of you from Rio Linda, Interactive means that is an online poll and thus is unscientific.

Nice try Herb, but no cigar.

Author: Wobboh
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 4:26 pm
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National polls are irrelevant. As of today, Hillary Clinton wins the electoral college vote against any of the Republican candidates. A good source of state by state, head-to-head polling is
presidentelectionpolls.com.

Author: Radioblogman
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 4:28 pm
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It may sound racist and sexist, but no candidate that runs primarily as a black man or a woman will be elected in this country. With people like Oprah Winfrey promoting Obama simply because he is black, his chances are being hurt.

And neither Obama or Clinton really have records to run on. If either gets the Democratic nod, count on a Republican win if the Republicans are smart enough to pick a moderate and not a neo-con. Rudy has the best chance of beating anyone at this point. The race is his to lose.

Author: Radioblogman
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 4:29 pm
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and here is the bottom line from the story:

The poll of 9,355 people had a margin of error of plus or minus one percentage point. The interactive poll surveys individuals who have registered to take part in online polls.

Author: Amus
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 4:31 pm
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"And neither Obama or Clinton really have records to run on."

And what record did Shrub have to run on?

Author: Radioblogman
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 4:35 pm
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Governors tends to have more on their records with direct consequences for people than senators who are just one of 50.

Author: Amus
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 4:47 pm
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And what record did Shrub have to run on?

Author: Nwokie
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 6:50 pm
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2 terms as Texas Gov, where he implemented a comprehensive school reform, directing millions into low income school districts.

Author: Amus
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 6:58 pm
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Edited

So is the record of a Governor (one of the weakest Governorships in the Country *) any more or less than Obama or Hillary?


* "In terms of formal powers, the Texas governor is among the weakest in the nation. The plural executive structure and weak removal powers limit the governor’s ability to influence the executive branch."

http://www.worthpublishers.com/Texas_IM/txchap6.html

Author: Nwokie
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 7:01 pm
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Granted, but even in that environment he got the school finance reform through.

Author: Vitalogy
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 7:12 pm
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I disagree that a black man or a woman can't be elected.

Author: Trixter
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 9:40 am
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Nwokie said>>>
Obama has almost 0 chance in a national election.

And the GOP has??? Exactly!

Author: Radioblogman
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 12:15 pm
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"I disagree that a black man or a woman can't be elected."

I wish you were wrong, but I have lived in several states -- north, south, east and west -- now in the past 60 years and I know you are wrong.

Author: Radioblogman
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 12:15 pm
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sorry, I meant to say I wish you were NOT wrong.

Author: Nwokie
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 12:23 pm
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The GOP has a very good chance at winning an electoral college majority. The southern, midwest and mountain states give the Republicans a very sound base.

Author: Vitalogy
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 1:10 pm
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Radioblogman, with all due respect, it sounds like you represent the older culture. Times have changed and the majority of voters do not see things as you do. Hillary or Obama absolutely can win, and they can do it without a single vote from the racist south. Remember, for every person that won't vote for them due to race or gender, there's another person out there that will.

Author: Radioblogman
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 1:32 pm
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Vitalogy, I have been hoping that in my lifetime a minority would be elected president. I dearly wanted Powell to be the first one. Even as a Republican he would be among the fairest presidents we ever had. Obama does not have enough experience and Clinton has too much baggage. And please remember that racism is not confined to the South. In fact, there is more of a racial mixture and acceptance in the South than in racist northern places likes Mass. and New York City.

Author: Warner
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 2:16 pm
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"Clinton has too much baggage"

I know this is a popular notion, but I can't get anyone to tell me exactly what this "baggage" is. What SPECIFICALLY is this "baggage"?

Author: Trixter
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 3:46 pm
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The southern, midwest and mountain states give the Republicans a very sound base.

ALL the IGNORANCE in the United States all wrapped into one little basket with a bow on it.

Author: Radioblogman
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 3:53 pm
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Her baggage is a failed health plan, not being truthful about what she knew about Bill's several affairs, being a carpet bagger in New York, voting to go to war in Iraq, not really accomplishing anything as a senator.

Gosh, I'm starting to feel like a Republican :-(

Author: Trixter
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 4:09 pm
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Her baggage is a failed health plan, not being truthful about what she knew about Bill's several affairs, being a carpet bagger in New York, voting to go to war in Iraq, not really accomplishing anything as a senator.

Sounds like DUHbya's success as a President. NOT MUCH DONE!

Author: Missing_kskd
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 5:59 pm
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I'm not sure the failed health plan was all her deal. I seem to recall a LOT of push back on that one from big pharma, insurance providers and the AMA.

Anyone have more specifics?

The affairs are a non-issue. They are married, and not to us. She voted to AUTHORIZE war in Iraq, like most everybody did. That vote alone factors out, given the LIES, right?

Author: Vitalogy
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 8:54 pm
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Obama has plenty of experience, and he's quite smart. I trust him to hire the right people to work for him. And the fact that he has raised so much money from so many small donors tells me there are plenty of folk out there who would vote for the guy.

Author: Wobboh
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 10:54 pm
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Obama, like Hillary, has never been in charge of a large organization. Neither have any foreign policy experience. None. And no, it doesn't count if you watched your husband(whose foreign policy was a complete failure, anyway).

Hillary is a total fake. There is not one sincere vowel, word, phrase or sentence that comes out of her mouth, except when she says she wants to be President. More fake than John Edwards. More fake than John Kerry could in his wildest fake dreams. More fake any candidate since Nixon. She is only in it for the power. Notice in her sound bites how it's always about HER, not the American people.

Obama is too green, too wet behind the ears to be President. I'd say he knows it, and is actually running to be appointed Secretary of Education, Transportation, or another cabinet post.

John Edwards- a trial lawyer. Please. President? I don't think so.

Dennis Kucinich- go back to Munchkinland

All the rest? Bit players. It's time for the Democrats to get a real contender to run. Like Ted Kennedy.

Author: Skeptical
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 11:37 pm
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Nope, the Democrats have plenty of qualified contenders this time around. We may not be so lucky in 2012.

Author: Vitalogy
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 11:48 pm
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If George W. Bush can bumble his way through 8 years, ANYONE on either side can do the same, and most likely better.

And, the Democrats have several good candidates. It's the Republicans that don't really have a contender.

Author: Edselehr
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 11:59 pm
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"John Edwards- a trial lawyer. Please. President? I don't think so."

That disqualifies over half of the presidents...

Lawyers who became President:

* John Adams
* Thomas Jefferson
* John Quincy Adams
* Andrew Jackson
* Martin Van Buren
* John Tyler
* James Polk
* Millard Fillmore
* Franklin Pierce
* James Buchanan
* Abe Lincoln
* Rutherford Hayes
* Chester Arthur
* Grover Cleveland
* Benjamin Harrison
* William McKinley
* William Taft
* Woodrow Wilson
* Calvin Coolidge
* Franklin Roosevelt
* Richard Nixon
* Gerald Ford
* Bill Clinton

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 8:26 am
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The president should know something about that law, don't 'ya think?

Author: Amus
Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 8:29 am
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Aside from how to skirt it?

Author: Missing_kskd
Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 8:44 am
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Well, there is that!

One has to wonder about our current one. It's a lot easier to buy into over the top legal stuff, having not gone through what it takes to be a officer of the court.


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