Is it just me or I notice all of Clear Channel's (and former Clear Channel's) program Rhythmic leaning Top-40 from Mainstream top 40.

Uhh... most of the "hit music" these days is extremely rhythmic-leaning. The stuff that sounds halfway like rock on the CHR stations, as I've been told, are mostly "sellouts," and a lot of actual rock music isn't even making its way across the hallway to the CHR stations.

CHR Rock and Active Rock are not the same. Different audience. You don't see Fergie or Chris Brown on rock stations. Why would you expect to see Atreyu or Sixx AM on CHR? A guitar does not a rock song make.

104.7 KDUK is slightly more Rhythmic than the others mentioned.

Fallout boy and all those CRAPPy boy band rock songs are not even close to rock. Groups like falloutboy belong in the same category as Backstreet Boys and HANSON. CRAP CRAP CRAP!!!!!!!! Real rock does not come near top 40 stations anymore which is really sad! Shouldn't top 40 be the 40 biggest album solds, the albums that people are actually spending money on????? Well its sad that its not! If this was the case, Bruce Springsteens new single would be on Z100!! Gosh it wasn't that long ago when Z100 was havinng the world premier of Bruce Springsteens new single. Must have been mid 90's. So sad the industry has changed and bases EVERYTHING on marketability and not talent.
If you're not young and HOT, you will NEVER get airplay on a cheap channel station, no matter how talented you are, and that is the truth!!!

Historically Top 40 was the Top 40 singles, and has never been based on albums sold or played. It is a "song" rather than "album" based format. And it has always skewed strongly young teens and 18-24 females who'd like to think they're still teens.

Hey I was a big fan of Bruce, but I don't think he makes hit songs anymore. In fact it has been a while now. He's part of that special group of artists, all of them major names. Paul McCartney, Madonna, Rod Stewart, Dolly Pardon, Prince and several others. They dress like pop stars, they release new music complete with promotional campaigns and tours, they appear in the entertainment press and... they have no hits.

Imagine trying to hum a McCartney song that came out since the 80s? (25 years ago!) These artists are major talents, but no longer have anything to do with contemporary music. Personally I don't blame their age, I think it's their wealth. How can you relate to normal people when you're almost reaching "old money" status?

Back in the day the hit artists of the past would do Golden Oldies Tours, today they release an album, appear on TV and do a tour! They'll have all the trappings of a hit music star, except for, the hit.

If you've listened to Springsteens new album, it is an album FULL of singles! He is too old, and that is the only reason why Cheap Channel won't play his new music, THAT IS IT! Same goes with aritists like Tom Petty who have released new material, its still great material, but Tom Petty is TOO OLD! It is also so strange to think that Cheap Channel will not play any of Madonna's new music because she is so old. Who gives a fuc%?? She is a legend, most young girls know who Madonna is, and I can't imagine that a 13 year old girl refuses to buy a new Madonna cd because she is too old. Good music is good music, age aint nothing but a number.

It is probably more profitable for the record companies to exploit young fresh talent than it is to pay the top dollar demanded by experienced veteran recording artists.

Just like now days top 40 stations all have air talent that sound like they actually are in the target demo of the station...

Back in the day it was not a problem having mature sounding talent on a CHR or Top 40.

I don't think that changed because listeners demand to hear inexperienced talent as long as they are in the same age range...

More likely young talent on a CHR is cheaper than veteran talent.

In the current market the veteran artists are now discovering what the young developing artists have know for a few years...

That the money is available by taking ownership of your content and cutting out the middle men like record companies for instance... and even radio!!

Look at the success of the new Eagles album. No label, no airplay to speak of, and self distribution.

It really is the dawning of a new age in music distribution at every level.

Speaking of the new Eagles album. Im almost positive I heard Charlie playing a new Track off the eagles new album. If Im wrong, I will have my left testicle removed and put on E-bay.

Bruce Springsteen used to always get a TON of airplay on Z100, not to mention Z100 made Headlines across the country when they added clips of "jerry mcguire" in the song "secret Garden". It was then re-released as a top 40 single. It even got Howard Stern Talking about it. So Sad Z100 will no longer play Springsteens new material, Infact I think his new album is one of his strongest albums ever.

From what I understand, when I was a kid, the average age for a DJ on KISN was 23.

Specifically I am remembering Z-100 with Gary Bryan, Sean Lynch, and Scott Drake not being in their 20's. Dano and John Murphy were also not in their 20's.

SFO, Dr. Don, Sholin, Marvelous Mark, Chuck Browning, Bill Lee, etc all past their 20's.

maybe at the beginning of the rock and roll era major market Top 40 DJ's may have been kids, but not so much in the late 60's through the 80's.

Remember usually it required a first class ticket which took some time and money usually a GI bill would pay for that in many cases.

Semoochie, when you were a kid the Real Don Steele, Mike Phillips, etc were in their 20's. Now we get Buckhead in AM drive. This is what I mean that there is a difference now in the quality of young talent geting major market gigs on CHR stations.

Bottom line... Springsteen, Eagles, Prince, etc. do no appeal to the majority of the 18-34 demographic that most CHRs target.

but they might if they had a chance to hear the music. My kid likes rock and alt, but enjoyed the Roy Orbison at Cocoanut Grove program on PBS then went and looked up the artists who appeared with him and got into some of their music as well.......

Mike Phillips was still in High School (Benson) I believe, when he started at KISN!

Bottom line... Springsteen, Eagles, Prince, etc. do no appeal to the majority of the 18-34 demographic that most CHRs target.

That's what HOT/AC is for.....

So now 18-34's don't want to hear any air talent or artists who are outside their own demo??

It is clear by the Springsteen, Eagles, Prince, and the recent Madonna deal with Live Nation that major developed artists no longer need radio to sell concert tickets or CD's.

major developed artists no longer need radio to sell concert tickets or CD's.

Very true. Look at Hanna Montana..... ON FIRE and hardly any air play on Mainstream Top 40. Overproduced but rakin' in the bucks and putting butts in the seats....

Would it be fair to say that this new, hyper-focused approach to CHR is a byproduct of consolidation? In other words, the CHR stations of today intentionally omit songs that might cross over into the territory of sister stations that are programming AC, Hot AC, and Active Rock.

There should be a Hanna Montana/Monkeys reunion tour.

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