Wow.

A friend of mine linked me to this one.

http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2007/11/13/fifty-states-face-voting-machine-law suits-uncounted-documents-dre-issues/

With Oregon, we've got the paper trail. Not sure how this lawsuit will impact VBM. Interesting idea though.

It will be consolidated into one, then dismissed.

Oh OK.

End of discussion then.

Hardly.

Bradblog posting has clickable links, listed below: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5264


* NAtional: What's So Special About Tuesday?
http://thegate.nationalj.../2007/11/why_tuesday.php
* NAtional: Election Day 'Glitches' 'Hiccups' 'Snags' and 'Snafus' Return
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5259
* NAtional: Election Day 2007: New ID Laws Disenfranchise Voters
http://www.alternet.org/rights/67161/
* NAtional: The Truth About Voter Fraud
http://www.truthaboutfra...TruthAboutVoterFraud.pdf
* NAtional: Scholar Traces Voting Technology Controversy to the 1890s
http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/535201/
* CA: Humboldt County - Procedural changes lead to long night for county elections officials
http://www.eurekareporte...lay.aspx?ArticleID=30416
* CA: San Francisco - S.F. mayoral vote count may lag
http://www.usatoday.com/...007-11-06-sf-count_N.htm
* CA: San Francisco - And the winners are ...
Waiting --- and waiting --- for the election results
http://www.sfbg.com/entr...num=42&issue_num=06
* CA: San Francisco - Counting S.F. ballots will take a record amount of time
http://www.sfgate.com/cg...2007/11/07/MNHUT7FPT.DTL
* CA: San Francisco – San Francisco Voting Machines Vendor In Breach of Contract allege City Attorney Dennis Herrera and Elections Department Diector John Arntz
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=6759
* CO: Denver vote count not over yet
Sorting plagued by volume of ballots dropped off Tuesday
http://www.rockymountain...MN_24736_5741291,00.html
* CO: Denver Calls In SWAT Officers To Help Count Votes
http://cbs4denver.com/to...cal_story_311064933.html
* CO: Denver - SWAT team helped tally votes
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_7390582
* CO: Denver still counting votes
http://origin.denverpost.com/lacrosse/ci_7394285
* CO: Weld County - As expected, turnout low at the polls
http://www.greeleytrib.c.../20071107/NEWS/111070144
* CT: Damp Ballots Cause Minor Problems
http://www.courant.com/n...lex-1106,0,7136774.story
* CT: Recounts To Be Conducted In At Least 14 Towns
http://www.courant.com/n...ecounts11,0,521210.story
* FL: Fla. asked to detail balloting procedures
http://www.news-press.co...07/NEWS01/711070383/1002
* FL: Palm Beach County - Experts say PBC voting machines must be upgraded soon
http://www.sun-sentinel....ines1106,0,1854938.story
* FL: Palm Beach County - Voting machines could still change
http://www.palmbeachpost.../07/s3b_voting_1107.html
* FL: Sarasota County notes some voting glitches
http://www.heraldtribune.../20071107/NEWS/711070664
* ID: Lawsuit Brought Over Electronic Voting Machines
http://www.fox12news.com...obal/story.asp?S=7321732
* IN: Marion County - Some Polling Problems Continue to Haunt Clerk's Office
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7321417
* IN: Marion County - At the polls: 'So much better than in May'
Issues at 83 sites didn't keep anyone from casting vote
http://www.indystar.com/.../711070491/1057/SPORTS02
* IN: Marion County - Thousands of votes still uncounted in Marion Co.
http://www.wthr.com/Glob...26310&nav=menu188_2
* IN: Tippecanoe County - Some voting glitches noted
http://www.jconline.com/...107/ELECTION01/711070351
* IN: Wayne County - Centers' convenience receives 'yea' votes
27% of registered voters, 7,438, vote in Richmond,
http://www.pal-item.com/...0071107/NEWS01/711070305
* MD: Maryland Voters' Council Member Choices Show Trends
Errors Are Reported at the Rockville Polls
http://www.washingtonpos...601023.html?hpid=topnews
* MI: Voter photo ID rule sparks complaints
Detroiters had problems, NAACP says; state and city officials deny that
http://www.freep.com/app...WS05/711070414/1001/NEWS
* MS: Hinds County - Election glitches could result in challenges
http://www.clarionledger...71106/SPECIAL02/71106044
* MS: Hinds County - Voters in some split precincts get wrong ballots
http://www.clarionledger...AL02/711070362/1001/NEWS
* MT: Mail balloting generally a success, official says
http://www.billingsgazet...s/local/20-balloting.txt
* NJ: Atlantic County – Not again: Vote glitch latest AC debacle
http://www.newsday.com/n...107nov07,0,6014519.story
* NJ: Atlantic County - Countywide vote results unavailable due to problems transferring data
http://www.pressofatlant...y/7514944p-7413910c.html
* NJ: Atlantic County - Cause Sought For Atlantic County, N.J., Vote Delay

Personally, I'm irritated that Oregons and other vote by mail hasn't been thrown out. The constitution is very clear about election day.

Suck it up Okie....
We like it and that's the way it is....

Then either move over here and do something about it, or stay in the 'Couve and worry about your own state.

Your opinions about Oregon politics don't make one bit of difference to, or affect anyone over here.

I love VBM, and I still always hand my ballot in ON election day.

Trix: Exactly!

I didn't get a ballot this year because I moved recently. I know I could have been more proactive and changed my address at the courthouse, but I forgot. I would have prefered a polling place to go to on election day at least as an option. I think our vote by mail system does a disservice to those who move frequently or who are homeless, or otherwise without an official address.

It takes minimal effort to let elections know you moved. It took me all of 3 minutes over the phone to take care of it last time I moved.

I put a little note on my ballot on election day that my middle initials were wrong, and days later got a form and prepaid envelope to return with the corrections. Done! I'd say they're on top of things over there, and make being a voter pretty darn easy. A+.

Don't miss the next big one, Shane!

I have never missed voting since I was old enough to register. I have done the voting booth to vote by mail.

We like voting from home. Since we do everything else from home "work" included (that was for 1lossir from a thread on the other side) voting just naturally fits our lifestyle.

We don't feel pressured and have the voter’s pamphlet right next to us when we do vote. We put forth the same effort as before and still get great satisfaction when we mail it in.

We still feel very much apart of the process.

Trix sez: "Suck it up Okie....
We like it and that's the way it is...."

LOL!

What could happen, probably, most certainly won't ever happen, but it could.

National election, demo's win by 5 electoral votes, republicans take it to court, and the court rules vote by mail is unconstitutional, Oregons votes thrown out, and Republican wins!

This lawsuit could end up doing something similar too.

If the matter of voting ends up in the courts, at this level, who knows?

I personally think voting is important enough, to take a few hours out of my day to go to the polls and vote.

When you have a whole state too lazy to go to the polls, its sad, actually 2, Washington is doing vote by mail in most counties too.

It's not about lazy, but availability.

Having the vote constrained in both time and space makes things difficult for a lot of people --and it concentrates fraud / intimidation targets.

That said, I like polls too. I just like VBM better.

Turnout is generally higher for VBM than for polls. That trend has been consistent for a number of years now. Clearly people are more inclined to vote given a wider window of time in which to do so.

My favorite aspect of this happens to be the vote being distributed over time. With the polls, everything happens in one day --essentially an evening rush to vote.

Last minute media buys, maybe robo calls, lies, smears, etc... have less impact on VBM than they do other voting systems. People are voting over a period of time and are sensitive to all the messaging delivered over that time.

Older people, handicapped, etc... also have it a lot easier with VBM. IMHO, this is one of the reasons for the better turnout.

Voting isn't suppossed to be easy or convient, and VBM leads to voting irregularity, no one checks your id, etc.

"Voting isn't suppossed to be easy or convient,"

Why not? What's the point of making it a tough chore? Bragging rights?

" Voting isn't suppossed to be easy or convient "

Really? What is it supposed to be then? Painful and difficult?

"...and VBM leads to voting irregularity, no one checks your id, etc."

Yeah, because the crack staff working the voting booths are ones that couldn't get a job with the TSA. Plus, you are just assuming everything, Nwokie. " Leads to voting irregularity "? How do you know that to be the case? Define " voting irregularity " and then, you know, prove that it's applicable on a significantly higher degree than what is provided in voting booth systems.

"Voting isn't suppossed to be easy or convient."

Says who? Face it, the voting booth is going the way of the typewriter. It's inefficient, costly, and old technology. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.

"and VBM leads to voting irregularity, no one checks your id, etc."

Wrong again. VBM has been as regular as any voting method out there. Plus, there's a paper trail and all the votes are pretty much tallied within 24 hours. As for the ID, each ballot is put into an envelope with your signature on it. Your signature is good enough to purchase a car or a house, and should be good enough to verify you are registered to vote.

Oregon does a signature check with the one on file at the DMV.

Yeah, conservatives always want voting to be difficult.

Why?

Because the majority of people lean progressive on most common policy matters. Infrastructure, education, health care, etc...

Higher turnout = advantage to left leaning politics.

"we need paper ballots"

http://www.whytuesday.org/2007/11/14/candidate-challenge-john-edwards/

(among other good things in this video statement)

And some think the GOP isn't worried about losing the white house this time around?

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5306

Dirty GOP tricks over and over...

This discussion is a perfect example of why I'm an independent. I lean conservative on most issues, but I want everyone to easily be able to vote! I DON'T like it when a self-proclaimed leader of a group of people (such as Jesse Jaskson) tells bus loads of people how to vote, but I do want everyone to cast a vote if they want to.

"I DON'T like it when a self-proclaimed leader of a group of people (such as Jesse Jaskson) tells bus loads of people how to vote"

I assume that you don't like it when James Dobson does the same thing.

You'd be assuming correctly.

There is a difference in telling someone how to vote, and recommending people vote for someone, giving reasons.

One of the great side affects of VBM is having our kids watch us do our civil duty. My wife and I take up the dinning room table with our voter pamphlets, and ballots. It engages our kids with the issues we are dealing with, so at an early age they see us working through the issues in a calm, constructive way and then voting our values.

You can't pay for that kind of education. VBM-It's all good.

Ever watch them count VBM ballots? they spend about 2 seconds on each ballot, and they even accept ballots without a signatore on the envelope, although its required.

If you vote in person, with a picture ID, there is no question you are who you are suppossed to be.

Time to get educated Nwokie. When's the last time you counted VBM ballots. They have built in safeguards.

I've not counted them, but I have watched them count them, I have also been a poll judge in 4 states that require you to show up to vote, and that is much more secure.

And there are no safeguards with VBM!

"And there are no safeguards with VBM!"

Sure there are. For one, if signatures don't match, the ballot is set aside and not counted. Secondly, the ballot cannot be forwarded to a new address.

Don't make stuff up. Its so Wayne.

"with a picture ID, there is no question you are who you are suppossed to be."

Not so fast: I had a valid legal Oregon Driver's license with my pix on it from age 17-21, however, all the info belonged to my older cousin who was 21. M&M Distributors in Bend sent me Christmas cards and cool Rainier swag for years since I was such a good customer! They must've thought I was deaf when I never answered to my "other" name.

"Michelle? MICHELLE!!! Your keg is ready"
"Huh? Oh yeah, thanks so much, just put it there in the Vega...see you next Friday..."

Stay in Vantucky, Okie.
DT, you're allowed in whenever you want.

Well, the beauty of it is that a solid majority (and growing) of Oregon people love VBM.

So, barring some bizzare court ruling, it's here and expanding.

or barring some bizzare bazaar...

Or a bizarre brasier bought by Bobbi.

Oooo...I even shocked myself with that statement.

That's what happens when you roll around on static-y stuff and then touch those metal parts and get zapped! Electrifying!

Just because a majority of the citizens like it or are for it, doesnt make it leagal or riht.

Most of the Southern states loved their votin lqws in the 50's and early 60's.

Ok.

If it's illegal, take it to court, otherwise it's something approved by both the voters and the courts.

Or, you could take it to the ballot box. If you are even close to right on this, one of those options will bear fruit; otherwise, it's a non-issue.

Done, next.

......otherwise it's something approved by both the voters and the courts.

I don't know about the courts, but in WA and Clark County the voters had no choice.

VBM was forced on us.

As my little protest I always put my ballot in the mailbox without a stamp. If it comes back to me it goes in the trash. Hopefully they get it postage due.

I don't really give a rats patuty whether we go to the polls or VBM. I just think we should have voted on it and the ballots should come with postage on them.

Just another thing the government does to piss me off.

Fire them all. Every last one of them.

Are you prepared to pay more taxes to cover the postage? A 41 cent stamp is less than the cost of gas for you to drive to a polling station.

They can use the money they are saving on not having polling places.

I just do it to be obstinate. Just like when I use my debit card or credit card, I refuse to sign on the electronic pad. I make them print out a paper copy and sign it.