Thurmond's wife was also named Nancy.



Oregon Sen. Wyden's wife gives birth to twins

The Associated Press

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden's wife, Nancy, gave birth to twins Friday at Oregon Health & Science University in Portland.

Ava Rose Wyden was born at 9:23 a.m., a spokesman for Wyden said. Her brother, William Peter Wyden, arrived 45 seconds later.

Ava was 5.2 pounds, William 6 pounds.

Dr. Mark Nichols delivered the twins through C-section.

Nancy Wyden, 46, and her children are expected to remain at the hospital for four to five days. Afterward, the family members will return to their Portland condominium. Ron Wyden, a Democrat, will be working from Oregon "for the foreseeable future," said spokesman Tom Towslee.

Wyden wasn't immediately available for comment. But Towslee said everyone is the family "is doing well."

Wyden, 58 and his wife, the co-owner of the Strand Bookstore in New York City, were married in 2005.

I believe this happened a while ago, but no matter...I'm very glad Mr. Wyden, a so-called 'pro-choice' liberal, decided to be pro-life in this case.

Congratulations to him and his wife.

Herb

I'm sure that based on their age and the fact that they had twins, they went through more effort to have children than just having sex. So, being pro-choice is really irrelevant here.

He will be 76 and his wife will be 64 when the kids graduate from high school.

How fair is that to the kids to have parents old enough to be your grandparents?

If they're good parents, who cares? Would you rather have a law that puts an age limit on being a parent?

"..being pro-choice is really irrelevant here."

No. We're talking about human life here. Were Mr. Wyden and his wife to have acted on his 'pro-choice' convictions, those children may not be with us today. Thankfully, THE DECISION THEY CHOSE WAS FOR LIFE.

When those kids can speak, how about asking those children how "irrelevant" they are?

Herb

"THE DECISION THEY CHOSE WAS FOR LIFE."

As it is for MOST ALL intended pregnancies.

"As it is for MOST ALL intended pregnancies."

Not if planned parenthood, which makes MILLIONS in abortion money, has their way.

Herb

Watch it, Blogman, I'm almost 48 with an almost-2-year old. I could drive a much nicer car or live in a bigger house instead.

Herrb, shut the hell up on this one. Pro-choice is not an issue here, and their reproductive choices and options are none of your concern.

"THE DECISION THEY CHOSE WAS FOR LIFE."

So they *are* pro-choice, then?

Sounds like everyone could be called pro-choice.

Sorry Mrs. M. I'm not against anyone having a baby at any age, but I liked having a father who could play catch with me. I was bummed enough when he died when I was 26. I just hope Ron lives long enough to see his son graduate.

No, pro choice means you may chose life or death.
pro life means you only choose life.

Herb leave it to you to take the simple joy of the birth of twins and turn it political.

Congrats to the happy couple. Medical research does reveal that the older the mother the possibility of twins is higher even if twins don't run in either side of the family. I have had two women friends birth children at age 42 and 43. One had twins the other did not.

"Herb leave it to you to take the simple joy of the birth of twins and turn it political."

The political ones are those who have legislated against life, the so-called 'pro-choice' crowd.

Again.

I'm glad Mr. Wyden made the decision for life. Yet for political ends, he has fought hard AGAINST life and has voted to make snuffing it out legal.

Herb

Ron Wyden has fought hard against forcing women to take unwanted pregnancies to term, which is what third worlder's like yourself want. Luckily, the majority of Americans understand that a woman's choice should remain a choice rather than a mandate.

Actually Herb a simple congrats would have sufficed. We are all well aware of your pro-life stance. There's no need to put a mustache on the Mona Lisa.

I'd rather have an older mom who has the time and resources to devote to a baby than be a 3-month-old with a 17-year-old mom who lives in a dump with her 34-year-old mom, and Mommy and Grammy keep their meth pipes next to the breast pump. Then both Mommy and Grammy go to jail.

Did anyone hear if that baby tested positive for meth? I almost had a stroke when I saw that on the news a week or so ago. Sick.

And congrats to the Wydens!

"There's no need to put a mustache on the Mona Lisa."

It's more like throwing a lifeline to a drowning kid. Nice try, though. Were I 'pro-choice' I'd attempt to marginalize those who favoured life, too.

You're on the wrong side of this one.

Herb

Herb- It's not about what side either of us are on. You seem to always want to build a wall where I want to build a bridge. That is where we are different.

The troll confirms his troll status everyday!

Kids often don't make good parents, while on the other hand older and more mature folks do.

Herb said>>>
Not if planned parenthood, which makes MILLIONS in abortion money, has their way.

And YOUR personally going to find a home for the MILLIONS of babies that would be born to mothers that have been raped or are to incompetent to be mothers??? YOUR going to personally foot that bill?? Or are the TAXPAYERS of America going to???? Now YOUR for lower taxes Herb..... YOUR going to pay for it????

"And YOUR personally going to find a home for the MILLIONS of babies that would be born to mothers that have been raped or are to incompetent to be mothers???"

Oh. So the answer is to kill them with abortion, instead?

Herb

So... the answer is to spend TAXPAYERS money that you don't want to collect to pay for them???
YOUR going to pay for them Herb???

Millions of babies to women raped? Boy is our court sustem going to be busy.

And the baby didn't rape the mom, so in retaliation for the rape, your going to kill the baby?

"YOUR going to pay for them Herb???"

Trixter, I'll cut you some slack on this because you obviously don't have any idea how hard it is to adopt a baby...THAT'S BECAUSE THERE IS A LONG LINE OF ADOPTIVE PARENTS.

Because of the slaughter of innocent unborn kids, there are very few adoptive kids compared to the huge number of parents who wish to adopt.

Do some reading and you'll find that I'm right. And as far as me paying for them, sure. If you happen to know of a kid who needs a home, let me and Mrs. Herb have a chance. It's better than killing the child.

As an added bonus, I won't even teach the kid about Mr. Nixon until he or she can talk. Promise. That gives them at least a year or two of Nixon-free living. But at least it's living.

Herb

There's only a "long line" for healthy non-drug- or alcohol-exposed babies and kids.

There are no lines for the others, the majority.

Now can we get back on topic or let this thread RIP?

Herb since you're going to have 1.2 million babies to deal with, and since all the programs will be in place, and since this is such a moral issue for you, why not take care of the 10 million children who will die this year of preventable hunger?

You get so high on your moral horse you forget to take off the blinds that you steer that moral horse with that abortion becomes your only issue.

When you can take care of the 30,000 children that died today then you can pop off about making abortion illegal. Being the morality police must be hard work because like many politicians today your are being very selective in your judgment calls concerning human life.

Sorry Mrs. M, I just had to pipe in. Herb gets this morality-man complex every now and then.

I wonder what the Morality Police stands on miscarriages. Are females interrogated?

I think I'm going to be doing a little Moral Policing of my own -- detesticlate any human playing God. God doesn't need the troll's f-ing help. Like Jerry Falwell, God should call the troll home -- SOON!

Whether it's a differing political view or the unborn, union goons specialize in destroying. No wonder their numbers are dwindling.

Herb

WTF?

Actually, if we want to talk about numbers dwindling, look no further than the base Herb represents.

Yep, God is calling them home.

As far as they know.

So Herb... YOUR paying for it?

Read my post from Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 6:36 pm, Trixter.

Herb

So... YOUR willing to RAISE taxes and use a SOCIAL program to pay for these babies???

What's the alternative, Trixter? Killing them?
I don't hear any ideas from your side.

Herb

Hey guys, start a new thread. This one is getting off topic.

The alternatives should be left with the person that is pregnant and their doctor. Not you, not your church, and not the government.

And who's going to represent the baby?

The child has no voice and is totally dispensable to the leftists who worship at the altar of abortion, Nwokie.

That's who's running the democrat party now. Every single democrat presidental candidate calls themself 'pro-choice.'

Herb

Shouldn't the parent be ultimately be responsible for the child?

A fetus is NOT a child. The troll is NOT God.

Herb, Nwokie:

When does "potential life" become "life"?

A fetus is NOT a child.

Then what is it? A dog? A cat? A frog? A lump of cells? A goat?

At what point does it magically become a child?

It IS a child from the moment of conception. It has to be.

The baby isn't capable of living outside the womb until it has developed to a certain point, but that doesn't make it any less of a baby before that point.

If it's not a child until some magically defined point, then is the woman not pregnant until that point either?

You are you and I am me and we were from the time of conception.

Back to the original topic: Congrats to Wyden and his wife.

Herb- and the 30,000 children who died needlessly today from preventable starvation? You seem to side step that little number quite easily. Where's your moral outcry? You're ready to help the unborn, but the "born"...oh they can die needlessly.

If any one dies from starvation in this country, it is parent neglect, with food stamps, wic etc.

"Leftists" are not the only ones having abortions. Look at the stats, and what you'll see is that more abortions per capita occur in RED states. Funny how those states are also the ones bringing up the rear in earnings per capita and literacy rates. Could there be a corrlation?? There's nothing to prove this, but I'll bet that close to half of all abortions are done on self described conservatives (hypcorites as I call them).

Like I always say, the great thing about our law is that the choice is up to the individual. Those that don't like abortion need not have one, nor should they make it their business to concern themselves what others do with their bodies. It's not your body, not your pregnancy, and it's not your choice, SO BUG OFF. If you truly want to make abortion a thing of the past, then you should be working to make sure that all children are educated on sex and have access to birth control. Unfortunately, the same folks that are anti-abortion are also anti-education.

Please folks, as the one who started this thread, can't I ask that you stay on topic or start another thread.

I wast amazed that a woman that old would have kids these days. I did not mean to imply abortion should have been an option, so let's move on. PLEASE

Portland has one of the country's (actually world's) top 3 most succesful, as in take-home baby rates, reproductive medicine clinics.

They treat women up to age 50, and a few women have lied about their age at other clinics and are older than that.

"It IS a child from the moment of conception. It has to be."

An infant corpse is also a child. The question is, when does it become life?

When the cells split for the first time (at conception).

If the mother partakes of risky behavior after this cell split - drug use, for example - is it child abuse? (forgive these questions, but I'm trying to figure something out)

Radioblogman-

This is something we all do so very well. Hijack threads. It happens and it will continue to happen.

Now to try and stay on topic. More women and men are becoming older parents due in part because they are getting married older. The next 15-20 years will be interesting to see what research tells us about women who have children in there 40s and 50s.

We had our kids in our 30s so we have friends who are already grandparents, some with kids our age. But at my most recent high school reunion I found many classmates had kids my kids age. Some through blended families and some just waiting.

And now to go off topic. Nwokie- It's not always the parents fault when a child goes without food. It's a societies neglect of the poorest of the poor. Then there is the working poor. Both parents working to make ends meet. We can judge all we want and point fingers but we better be pointing fingers at ourselves first.

Wwth foodstamps, AFDC, EIC etc not to mention foodbanks, there is no reason for any child to go hungry, unless the parent is trading the foodstamps for non authorized items, and neglecting the child.

To be honest the 30,000 children dying needlessly is a global problem. You are correct that here in America no child should ever go hungry and as you mentioned there are programs available but some of those are being cut back due to the war budget.

Those that are starving actually need to be hydrated with water and salt. If not the food they receive comes right out of them and no nutrients are able to get into their system. There are such hydration kits available that cost 10 cents. Get those into the hands of starving then feed them and you will see a difference.

The good news is the numbers used to 40,000 a day died. 30,000 is still unacceptable, so my challenge to Herb was simply, if you're going to beat your drum about abortion and raise your morality onto others, you also need to look beyond to a world in need too and not ignore other moral failures.

If the mother partakes of risky behavior after this cell split - drug use, for example - is it child abuse? (forgive these questions, but I'm trying to figure something out)

If it was up to me, I'd say yes.

Along with smoking with a child strapped into a car seat in your car.

"Along with smoking with a child strapped into a car seat in your car."

I have to agree to that one. Drives me nuts when I see it.

"Wwth foodstamps, AFDC, EIC etc not to mention foodbanks, there is no reason for any child to go hungry, unless the parent is trading the foodstamps for non authorized items, and neglecting the child."

I see Barbara Bush has made an appearance in our forum.



If the instant a cell splits is a child, can it be claimed as a dependent? Register for a Social Security number? Get a Passport?

One doesn't get to use the word "child" to describe a fetus if it cannot be applied to ALL things associated with fetuses. Clearly "child" is being used for political purposes -- aka playing God.

Abortion rates same whether legal or not:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21255186/?GT1=10533

Women are just as likely to get an abortion in countries where it is outlawed as they are in countries where it is legal, according to research published Friday.

In a study examining abortion trends from 1995 to 2003, experts also found that abortion rates are virtually equal in rich and poor countries, and that half of all abortions worldwide are unsafe.

“The legal status of abortion has never dissuaded women and couples, who, for whatever reason, seek to end pregnancy,” Beth Fredrick of the International Women’s Health Coalition in the U.S. said in an accompanying commentary.

“The only way to decrease unsafe abortion is to increase contraception,” said Sharon Camp, president and chief executive officer of the Guttmacher Institute.