If you don't know the answer make your best guess. Answer all the questions before looking at the answers. Who said it?

1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few...and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity."

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."

A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Jose f Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own...in order to create this common ground."

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above

Answers:

(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005

Hillary is an out and out socialist trying to masquerade as a centrist. The worst part is that people will fall for it.

The Dumbest Things President Bush Said in 2005
10) "It's totally wiped out. ... It's devastating, it's got to be doubly devastating on the ground." --turning to his aides while surveying Hurricane Katrina flood damage from Air Force One, Aug. 31, 2005

9) "I'm occasionally reading, I want you to know, in the second term." --Washington, D.C., March 16, 2005

8) "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table." --Brussels, Belgium, Feb. 22, 2005

7) "I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the mother in me." --Washington D.C., April 14, 2005

6) "Because the — all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers.
For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those — changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be — or closer delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled." --explaining his plan to save Social Security, Tampa, Fla., Feb. 4, 2005

5) "I think I may need a bathroom break. Is this possible?" --in a note to to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice during a U.N. Security Council meeting, September 14, 2005 (View photo)

4) "We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter) --touring hurricane damage, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005

3) "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to audio)

2) "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." --to FEMA director Michael Brown, who resigned 10 days later amid criticism over his handling of the Hurricane Katrina debacle, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005 (Listen to audio)

1) "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." --to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

All those quotes have been taken out of context, and you paranoid old farts get your tightie whities in a wad.

Besides, the majority of Americans are progressive.

They like the New Deal type stuff.

No worries, unless you are one of the 20 something percenters...

"..All those quotes have been taken out of context..."

Words mean things. As Fred Thompson might say, either prove them false or quit yer whinin'.

Herb

Slow day in Herb's world eh?

The mouth is not a door through which any evil enters. The ears are such doors as are the eyes. The mouth is a door only for exit.

- James O. Hannay

All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

Herb

Let's add a little context, Herb. I'm guessing you probably just cut-n-pasted that quiz, but haven't taken the time to get your fair and balanced ass in gear and look up the full Hillary quote:


1) "We're not coming to you, many of whom are well enough off that actually the tax cuts may have helped you, and say 'we're going to give you more.' We're saying, 'you know what, for America to get back on track and be fiscally responsible, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."


2)"It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few and for the few, time to reject the idea of an "on your own" society and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity. I prefer a "we're all in it together" society.

"Now, there is no greater force for economic growth than free markets, but markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed."


3&4)"We can set the vision. We can even work to articulate the goal. But the pathway is extraordinarily complicated because of how we live today andhow we think of ourselves in relation to our fellow citizens.

"Take health care. I think we could get almost unanimous agreement that having more than 45 million uninsured people, nine million of whom are children, is a moral wrong in America. And I think we could reach that agreement, and then we would have to start doing the hard work of deciding what we were going to do to make sure that they were not uninsured, because an uninsured person who goes to the hospital is more likely to die than an insured person. I mean, that is a fact.

"So, what do we do? We have to build a political consensus. And that requires people giving up a little bit of their own turf, in order to create this common ground.

The same with energy — you know, we can't keep talking about our dependence on foreign oil, and the need to deal with global warming, and the challenge that it poses to our climate and to God's creation, and just let business as usual go on. And that means something has to be taken away from some people."


5)Question to Hillary: Could you see yourself, with millions of voters in a pro-life camp, creating a common ground, with the goal ultimately in mind of reducing the decisions for abortion to zero?

Hillary: "Yes. Yes.

"And that is what I have tried to both talk about and reach out about over the last many years, going back, really, at least 15 years, in talking about abortion being safe, legal, and rare. And, by rare, I mean rare.

"And it's been a challenge, because the pro-life and the pro-choice communities have not really been willing to find much common ground. And I think that is a great failing on all of our parts, because, for me there are many opportunities to assist young people to make responsible decisions.

"There is a tremendous educational and public outreach that could be done through churches, through schools, through so much else. But I think it has to be done with an understanding of reaching people where they are today.

"We have so many young people who are tremendously influenced by the media culture and by the celebrity culture, and who have a very difficult time trying to sort out the right decisions to make.

"And I personally believe that the adult society has failed those people. I mean, I think that we have failed them in our churches, our schools, our government. And I certainly think the, you know, free market has failed. We have all failed."


6)This passage was taken from a 2 September 2005 appearance by Senator Clinton in front of constituents in Elmira Heights, New York, where (in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina) she expressed her opinion about the need for federal regulatory oversight of the oil industry in order to curb high gasoline prices and U.S. dependence on foreign oil:

The anxiety and anger felt by motorists was evident at nearly every turn in her travels throughout the Finger Lakes region of Upstate New York. She made clear she shared the concern.

"I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in our entire economy that they're being watched," she said in explaining her call for an inquiry by the Federal Trade Commission. "I think human nature left to itself is going to push the limit as far as possible, and that's what you need a government regulatory system for: to keep an eye on people to make the rules of the game fair, to make a level playing field and not give anybody some kind of undue advantage."

Clinton criticized the new energy bill, which she opposed, as inadequate to solve the country's long-term energy problem. She said the United States has regressed over the past three decades, since the first oil shocks of the early 1970s. "We've had 30 years to do some things we haven't done," she said. "In fact we've gotten, we've gone backwards in many respects.

"I am tired of being at the mercy of people in the Middle East and elsewhere, and I'm tired frankly of being at the mercy of these large oil companies," Clinton said.



In short: Can it, Herb.

Hillary: "Yes. Yes....And that is what I have tried to both talk about and reach out about over the last many years, going back, really, at least 15 years, in talking about abortion being safe, legal, and rare. And, by rare, I mean rare."

Your problem is in believing someone who would say anything to get elected and akin to agreeing with a 19th century politician proposing slavery should be safe, legal and rare.

History is with me on this one. The pro-life cause will ultimately win, not because it's popular, but because it's right.

And if the pro-life cause does not win, we will go the way of Rome, Greece and other once-great nations who allowed, even protected the vicious murder of innocents. The blood will be on our hands and we will deserve to be overthrown by China or some other bloodthirsty dictatorship. That's because we will be not one whit better than they.

Herb

Herb, you just got smoked harder than I've ever seen anybody get smoked. I'm embarrassed for you!

Seriously, Herb's post is something that Rush or O'Reilly would say, and Ed's post is a Media Matters type outfit breaking it down and completely discrediting the BS to the point of being laughable. Good work!!

Herb said>>>
All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

Or for a BAD man to declare war, INVADE a country and bomb the living crap out of THOUSANDS of INNOCENT women and children.

I'll fess up: Snopes already nailed this "quiz". I thought it would be better to post up the full quotes that just the Snopes link.

Herb: I never said I believed Hillary. It just chafes me when you or anyone posts up out-of-context BS and cites it as gospel. BTW, remember that in the other thread I conceded that Rush was unfairly taken out of context on the "phoney soldier" flap. Doesn't mean I agree with him either.

Ed said>>>
It just chafes me when you or anyone posts up out-of-context BS and cites it as gospel.

Don't get him started! He'll be on his pulpit preaching about abortion and how bad Bill and Hillary are for the ozone layer....

"Herb's post is something that...O'Reilly would say..."

Thank you.

Mr O'Reilly regularly trounces leftist guests with his acumen whilst dwarfing competing cable outlets like CNN and MSNBC.

The left is absolutely terrified of Fox News as a result.

Herb

"The left is absolutely terrified of Fox News..."

"Terrified" is your over-the-top standard Herbperbolye, but there is something to what you say.

Fox is "fair and balanced" just as Pravda was "truth".

And that is scary.

How can anyone be "terrifed" of Fox "News" if they never watch it?

Include me out.

Don't soothe the terrified -- they'll have no life!

Who said it....

"....."
A. Harpo Marx
B. Marcel Marceau
C. Shields and Yarnell

"!!!!"
A. Mr. Mum
2. Emmitt Kelly
C. A deaf mute named Ralph

"???"
1.George Bush
B.Al Gore
3.Anyone wondering what in the hell I am talking about.

This ends our quiz.

Herb you are good at spreading fear. Only a fearful person contiunes to spread fear.

"Only a fearful person contiunes to spread fear.."

Only a socialist is fine with a socialist candidate.

Herb

But you do try and spread a LOT of fear around here Herb. It's the opposite of what you are saying - yet it just comes through like that so often that it just can't be ignored.

It just doesn't work for me to be afraid ALL the time like you seem to be. Just like it's in your nature to be overly-afraid, it's in my nature to be overly-trusting. We're both ok with that.

"Only a socialist is fine with a socialist candidate. "

Making an assumption again aren't we Herb?

"Just like it's in your nature to be overly-afraid, it's in my nature to be overly-trusting. We're both ok with that."

I'm trusting when I eat at a restaurant. I'm trusting when I get my brakes worked on. I'm trusting when I deposit funds in my bank. Heck, I'd be trusting if we went fishing and you wanted to drive.

However, I believe in vigilance when it comes to those who wish our country harm. Socialists, like terrorists, have proven it through their words and actions.

Is it any wonder why to the Herbster, 'Nixon's The One?' Now THERE was a guy who knew how to fight those who wished our nation ill. I wouldn't want to have been within 100 miles of Osama bin Laden if Mr. Nixon had been in office on 9/11. Can you say 'mine the harbours at Haiphong?'

Herbert Milhous

Socialism is dead, and none of the candidates are advocating socialism. You're spreading fear that is unfounded.

As Herb said..."words mean things"

As Bush said:

“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”

You can't make this stuff up.

"Socialism is dead, and none of the candidates are advocating socialism."

I wish you were correct. The difference between you and me is that when politicians like Mrs. Clinton make statements like she has, there is little doubt that she wishes to push her commie agenda upon us.

Let's be clear here. Communism and it's cousin, socialism, are all about the government taking over the means of production. This is called a command economy and it indeed does not work. It's not efficient and it is extremely bad for the consumer.

So what else do you call it when Mrs. Clinton proposes that approximately 1/5 of our private economy be taken over by the government? That's not even creeping socialism. It's creepy, and it's blatant socialism.

Herb

You're listening to Herb on your station that scares you to death...FEAR Radio. All the fear without the facts.

"...without the facts..."

Prove me wrong.

Herb

You've been proven wrong. Taking quotes out of context would be a good start. Nice spin job as usual.

1/5 of our economy? Is that what Rush told you?

Seriously, there is no creeping socialism or communism, McCarthy. No one is advocating that the government take over production. All that's being discussed is how we can make our country better for everyone, which will allow us all to be more productive and sucessful individually.

"No one is advocating that the government take over production."

Not true. If the government takes over health care, that is taking over production of one of our most valuable commodities. There are none more important.

And for you conspiracy theorists out there, how much easier will it be for the government to then make the decisions over life and death themselves?

Who gets which treatment, what the limits are. Who should be euthanized. And it doesn't happen all at once. It's the frog boiling in a pot of once-cold water that suddenly cooks him. Government control would be far worse than ANY insurance company, because the government can back itself up with law and enforcement of it.

"All that's being discussed is how we can make our country better for everyone..."

You sound like Hillary. Every dictator has to offer some incentive in order to seize power as bloodlessly as possible. But once your neck is in their noose, good luck.

You guys hate Mr. Bush so much, you're willing to jump from the frying pan into the fire. No thanks. You wanna surrender your very existence to the government? Go right ahead. Just count me out.

Herb

Again.

You know Herb, it is just as easy to call Bush a communist too.

Consider:
Under Stalin's rule, enemies or the state were tortured.
Under Bush's rule, enemies of the state are being tortured.

Stalin and his supporters did not allow dissent.
Bush's supporters denigrate and attack anyone who dissents from his beliefs.

Stalin surrounded himself with "yes" men.
Bush surrounds himself with "yes" men.

But the real difference in the left wing and the right wing is that the left wing does not want anyone to tell it what to do and the right wing wants nothing more than to be able to tell everyone what to do.

I've yet to see anyone that is suggesting "government run" healthcare. You're simply making stuff up.

"You know Herb, it is just as easy to call Bush a communist too."

I think the term used then would be fascist, but fair enough. Either commie or fascist is undesirable.

"I've yet to see anyone that is suggesting "government run" healthcare."

Oh really? Once the government gets its nose under the tent, as Frank Bonema of Portland Wrestling would say: 'Katie bar the door.'

"[Hillary Clinton] made good on that pledge Monday, unveiling a sweeping proposal requiring EVERYONE to carry health insurance and offering FEDERAL subsidies to help reduce the cost of coverage."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20819827/

Herb

Herb, read the article. What Hillary has proposed IS NOT government run healthcare.

Okay Herb lets play the Hillary hand. Lets say she becomes President and she gets a Senate where the GOP can't stall legislation. It's the reverse of the first four years of Bush's presidency. What are you gonna do?

For me another Clinton presidency is not my first choice but it's looming. So lets play this hand out and see what happens.

To do that, the demos would have to pick up, at least 16 republican seats, and not lose any demo seats, thats not going to happen.

Nwokie- I was being hypothetical for the sake of dialogue.

"If the government takes over health care, that is taking over production of one of our most valuable commodities. There are none more important.

"And for you conspiracy theorists out there, how much easier will it be for the government to then make the decisions over life and death themselves?"

If the government runs health care, they have a mandate to serve the public interest, and they are ultimately accountable to the people.

If private enterprise runs health care, they have a mandate to generate a good rate of return on their investment, and are ultimately accountable to the stockholders.

When you say that health care is one of our most valuable commodities, you are 100% correct. Should it be trusted to the citizens, or corporate stockholders?

Ok, say the demos pick up 16 seats, which gives them a veto proof majority, as long as the 2 independents stay with the demos.

There are still a lot of southern demos that will vote with Republicans in some cases, the Supreme will still be slightly conservative.

And the demos know if they reach too far, they will lose big in the next election.

The south, midwest and mountain states, even though they have less than 50% of the vote, have an edge in the Senate, as each stae , no its size, has 2 seats. and DC has none.

So concerning healthcare that is being proposed by both sides, the biggest problem for me is the mandate. This is about insurance and not healthcare.

How many times has your medical insurance company made it difficult for you when you make a claim? The hoops you have to jump through gets bigger and bigger. How can you expect me, Joe Consumer, pay for a chest x-ray which costs nearly $100 with insurance and $35 without insurance, want to create more paper work whereas I can pay my $35 bucks and move on.

The bureaucracy of the insurance industry, the poor service and companies constantly being bought out without the consumer knowing it just makes the mess not even worth using.

It's healthcare Americans need. Not insurance.

"Okay Herb lets play the Hillary hand. Lets say she becomes President and she gets a Senate where the GOP can't stall legislation. It's the reverse of the first four years of Bush's presidency. What are you gonna do? "

Fair enough question. My inclination would be to go with a private provider for healthcare and anything else she doesn't have her grubby little mitts into. But here's the problem: In HillaryCare I, she would have mandated criminal charges against doctors and patients who went outside the system. That's a problem.

Herb

Absolutely agreed.

Can you imagine these companies on a mandate? We would be cash cows!

That's my problem with mandate system too. You're being handcuffed into bad decisions.

Got another question to throw out.

With so many American's making poor health choices what do you think of tax credits for those American's who make good health choices?

This maybe hard to regulate and it may need some kind of grading system. What I struggle with is having to pay for those who choose to eat poorly or simply not take good care of themselves.

Any ideas?

I don't know. My gut says that's not the right way to go about it.

For one thing, I'm not sure the same bad choices have the same bad impact on different people! There are a lot of genetic factors that make it kind of a wash all around.

Better to put incentives on things that encourage people to make better choices. Dollars can do a lot of work, without really forcing anybody to do anything they really don't want to.

"With so many American's making poor health choices what do you think of tax credits for those American's who make good health choices?"

I think it could work. Here's how:

Bonus points for seeing a dentist 2x year. We know that poor dental health is responsible for many ailments, including heart and blood vessel diseases.

Bonus points for getting certain exams at certain timelines, i.e., colonoscopy at 50, pap smears and breast exams as recommended by the standard generally accepted by the Surgeon General, etc.

Perhaps one could get extra credit for other factors as well, such as non-genetically determined traits.

I'm all for using the carrot instead of a government takeover.

Herb

Good points.

For me the bottom line is why penalize those who work hard at being healthy. For sure you can do all the right things but your genetic code or family history can work against you, but at least you're not compounding the problem with poor habits.

What about alternative medicines? Extra points possibly here too.

I see a Naturopathic doctor but also have a mainstream medicine doctor along with my chiropractor and acupuncturist as part of my health professional team. Each brings different perspectives giving me options that I can weight.

Certainly incentives would be crucial and somehow you would think costs would come down.

Maybe were asking the wrong question when it comes to medical insurance companies. They are hand and hand with the pharmaceutical industry and I believe they are keeping many American’s hooked on drugs they don’t need which lines the pockets of both industries. We are one drugged up country.

Speaking of colonoscopy: Have you read about the 3D or CAT scan version? It’s nearly as effective in finding polyps as the traditional method and there is no need to be put under. And it’s half as expensive. Man I love the advances in our medical field.

Yeah, if the radiation isn't too much more, I'd go with the CAT version myself. And naturopathy is indeed the future. I love it.

Herb