I'd like to ask you to join me in voting YES on 49. I remember when Measure 37 was on the ballot and I told many people what Measure 37 would do. Of course so many people were swindled by the false advertising for 37 and didn't bother to read the fine print or who was in favor of it. We have all seen the outright extortion Measure 37 has allowed commercial and residential developers to apply to ALL Oregon taxpayers, and since the taxpayers don't have any money to be extorted of, counties are allowing an "anything goes" policy towards development. As a landowner in Oregon and Washington, I understand the importance of land use and land owner's rights, however, 37 has gone too far and needs to be modified to get back to the original need for a change in land use.

For more information on Measure 49 and to see just how misleading the No on 49 advertising is, please visit the website: http://www.yeson49.com/

Once land is developed, it's gone forever. Don't let Oregon become the next Vegas or Phoenix. Vote YES on 49!!

Here is why we need Measure 49

http://sandypost.com/news/story.php?story_id=117324037504149100

You've got my family's vote, 100%.... We all had the guts to take a roll on measure 37, so let's take a roll on 49. If nothing else, it shows we aren't afraid of "trying it 'til we get it right".

That clinched it for me too. Billboards - especially the huge, lighted, in-your-face twin billboards on Hwy. 26 - have nothing to do with "using" your land as you see fit, and all about making money on the backs of everyone who has to look at that kind of crap.

And here's the irony of it all: the owner is claiming property rights from when the land was purchased in the 1940's. Guess what? The highway didn't exist back then. That land had absolutely no value for billboard placement when she bought it. So, where is the "lost value" that she claims? Any signage value the land has was created by government when they built the freeway.

I would prefer that Measure 37 just go away, but 49 is an acceptable compromise.

I'm there for sure.

The thing is, Oregon's land use needed some changes, however, Measure 37 is like burning the entire house down because the kitchen is out of date.

And the one thing that I think people forget about when purchasing land, is that it is an INVESTMENT. Investments by nature are not guaranteed to give you a return, and can result in a loss. There are no guarantees, and land should be no exception. Look at it this way: If you invested all of your money in RJR Reynolds, and then the government decided to give the FDA authority over the tobacco, what would happen to your investment? It would go down. Should this then give you the right to sue the government, AKA Joe Taxpayer, and request that they either reverse their decision or be liable for the loss you incurred on your investment? No way! Then why should it be any different for land?

Ken Austin of A-dec gave $50,000 to "No on 49". He owns most of the undeveloped land around Newberg. If you see him or his wife Joan, tell them wtf, aren't you rich enough already?

Stimson Lumber gave at least $250,000 to "No on 49". If you go to Home Depot or Lowes and see Stimson stamped on the lumber, raise a ruckus with the manager.

Last night someone stole 2 "yes on 49" signs out of my yard. Thing is, I'm going to get 2 more and put them right back where they were before. And if they get stolen again, then I'm going to 2 more and put them right back, only the third time it will be recorded. I think people that steal signs out of people's yards are chicken shit. I'd actually be okay with it if it was someone who was randomly vandalizing, but what irks me is that it's someone who disagrees with my views and resorts to stealing to push for their side to win. If I catch someone red handed, they will be roughed up big time plus I'll file charges for stealing or trespassing.

I was pretty peeved, and it got me thinking about a quote from one of my all time favorite movies. (warning, the following quote is rated R, so if you're offended by the F word, scroll on by.)

Lance: Still got your Malibu?
Vincent: Aw, man. You know what some fucker did the other day?
Lance: What?
Vincent: Fucking keyed it.
Lance: Oh, man, that's fucked up.
Vincent: Tell me about it. I had it in storage for three years, it was out for five days and some dickless piece of shit fucked with it.
Lance: They should be fucking killed. No trial, no jury, straight to execution.
Vincent: Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doing it. It'd been worth him doing it just so I could've caught him doing it.
Lance: What a fucker!
Vincent: What's more chickenshit than fucking with a man's automobile? I mean, don't fuck with another man's vehicle.
Lance: You don't do it.
Vincent: It's just against the rules.

Both of the measures have false titles.

50 should be, lets have a tobacco tak, so we can pay for medical care for illegal immigrants.

49 should be, you folks are sure stupid, we legislatures know how to use your land better than you.

Judging from the outbreak of new subdivisions in the farmlands of the valley, the dried-up wells in areas of new construction and the strip malls springing-up everywhere you look... maybe the legislature DOES know how to use the land better than the general public.

Yes on 49.

"we legislatures know how to use your land better than you."

Good thing too, other wise this entire state would look like Hazel Dell, Washington along Hwy 99.

NWokie, I'm almost dead certain that you personally will not gain one single penny from from the Passage of Measure 49. Why would you support a measure that turns 35 years of carefully controlled growth, resulting in a natural beauty envied and copied by other states (including Washington) into chaos?

BTW, greedy landowner Ken Austin is now up to $215,000.

And I think the legislature has a better system of developing law language (citizen input, committees, hearings) than Bill Sizemore sitting in his kitchen pounding it out solo on his Smith-Corona.

Plus, the legislature had the power to pass 49 on their own through normal legislative channels, but they chose to refer it to the people. You've got the final say Nwokie, can't blame the legislsture on this one.

What's a "tak".

And it also appears that Nwokie is a local bigot. There is no way for illegal immigrants to benefit from Measure 50, it's just another urban legend that the right love to place out there.

70% of prop 50, goes to a fund, that is not earmarked for children. Oregon does not require proof of citizenship for medical care to low income.

Bigot-a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

Nwokie it fits you well.

The 70% was set up in case the amount of revenue feel below the budget. Which would you rather have a tax where 100% of the collected amount is spent or a tax where lets say 70% is placed in a rainy day fund? Now stop listening to Lars and the Cigarette Companies and vote the right way. Yes on 49 & 50.

Okie, you don't live in Oregon, so neither of these measures affect you, unless you run out of butts while you're working over here.

STFU.

only in the fact I pay a lot of Oregon taxes, and once these programs are law, and tobacco usage drops, they will make up the difference with general revenue taxes.

Nwokie, you don't live in Oregon?

no, I live in Washougal Wa, but work in Oregon.
Which means I pay both Oregon and Washington tax, plus some Oklahoma tax.

...just for the heck of it.

Nope, because its the law, I have some, not much, but some property in Oklahoma. I work in Oregon, so I pay income tax in Oregon, and property tax in Washington + sales tax.

Income tax on non-residents, like the Oregon Lottery, Indian gambling, cigarette taxes et al, gotta love how Oregon finds ways to keep its coffers full without putting more of the burden to fill it on ME!

If you come over to take a tap hit off the nipple, then you must pay! Otherwise, find a job in your own state.

That's OK, I get it back, occassionally I do contract work for the state or various cities in Oregon, and when I do, I make sure I charge them extra for the privledge of working in Oregon.

So, Nwokie, what do you do as an ex Army officer, ex cop do in this third career?

I am a systems analyst, I specialize in Oracle/Unix and Linux. I was only a cop as a reservist/part timer

Here's a great reason to vote yes on 49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0914Plhr14

I'm familiar with the applicant and this is 100% true.

I'm voting "no". I do not want to see the government change the rules regarding someone's right to do what they wish with their own land. If you bought it with the right to build, it should be grandfathered in. Unincorporated rural property is not there for YOUR visual enjoyment unless it's a park or other Government-owned, public place. It's real property that someone owns, since we don't live in a centrally-planned, socialist society.

There are plenty of State parks and state and national forests in Oregon. We don't need to ruin the financial livelihood of property owners because we'd rather have a field instead of pavement.

How about a gravel pit next door to your property? Or a garbage dump? What do you think about a big roadside advertisement?

I don't think landowners deserve guaranteed returns should it turn out they made a less than smart purchase. Speculating on land values is an investment subject to gains and losses depending on how things turn out. If the government (read you and me, the taxpayer) changes the rules, too bad.

The voters of Oregon have disagreed with you. Why are liberals so bothered by the financial security of families? If the government prohibits you from building land on you bought, and when you bought it, it was okay to build there, they need to compensate you. And if they can't compensate you, then they can't afford to control your land, and you can do whatever you want with it. It still shocks me that some people don't see it that way.

I'm just glad the voters have a chance to vote on it. Either way, I'll be happier than if we didn't have a chance to vote on it.

When I moved to Oregon the speed limit on the interstate was 75. Now it's down to 60. I've had my liberty compromised by government regulation. Where's my compensation? Either they give me cash or I should be able to exercise my right to go 75.

But my neighbor still need to go 60, because they just moved here last year.

"The voters of Oregon have disagreed with you."

Then you're saying Measure 49 is gonna fail, hmm?

Me thinks the voters were buffooned the first time and Measure 49 is the measure they thought voted for the first time.

Confused? So were the voters. Measure 49 sets things straight.

"...still need to go 60, because they just moved here last year."

From King City? Palm Springs? Boca Raton? Provo?

Yuma (or Syracuse, it doesn't matter. I made it all up. It was a metaphor, M! Sheesh!)

Thread hijack ON.

I wish the speed limit in Oregon WAS 75. Or at least 70.

65 is stupid and the only reason it is 65 is so they can ticket you and extract revenue from you.

Thread hijack OFF!

Poll: Yes on Measure 49
Portland Business Journal

Almost two-thirds of the responders to last week's Business Pulse survey support Measure 49, which revises Measure 37.

Out of the 1,450 votes, 61 percents said yes to Measure 49, 33 percent said no and 5 percent were undecided.

Edsel: I was merely agreeing with you, just mentioning places where 60 is mighty darn fast...mostly for people that just fell off the turnip truck and don't do much city drivin' or old people who live in a retirement area. Or drive Edsels cuz that was the last NEW car they bought...

;O)

I don't believe in speed limits, I prefer to use the "basic rule" and take my chances.

Merkin: back atcha

I agree with Vitalogy.

Speed limits are for if there is a cop radaring!

Most people don't drive very well at high speed, they are too distracted. There is a big difference on how long you have to react, between going 65 and 85.

Hey Merkin....try \clipart followed by {wink}

\clipart {wink} "no space between the two though"



or angry if you get your dander up



I like biggrin or ROFL myself



But smile is pretty awesome though

Look at this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0914Plhr14

I always wondered how you did that on here!

SaveItNow, Vit posted that youtube link above..it's shocking!

"Me thinks the voters were buffooned the first time and Measure 49 is the measure they thought voted for the first time."

People aren't nearly as stupid as you think they are. That is incredibly conceded of you to assume that people just "didn't get it", or they clearly would have agreed with you. And I'm not saying 49 is necessarily going to pass, I was only saying that since 37 DID pass, the voters disagreed with Vitology's sentiments.

Yes, 37 did pass, and now we see how things have gone since 37, and it's my opinion people will pass 49 because they think 37 did more harm than good. I wasn't fooled the first time, but I know others that were.

"People aren't nearly as stupid as you think they are."

Lets wait until election day.

Look at the CEO of Merrill Lynch, yes people are stupid.

But the GOP backs the No on 49.

Oh yes, GOP stands for Greedy Old People.