Was scaning through the AM dial and noticed they are running "The Dave Koz Show" When did it flip ?

no flip....they have a few hours of jazz every Sunday...have for a long time

I do notice they are now running one of the ABC networks at the TOH. They have been a CNN Radio affiliate.

A death knell and none too early.

For Eugene, Oregon to waver in its support for scare america is a leading indicator, no matter what the spinmeisters say.

Herb

Then pray tell Herb, what shall we make of WJBC, deep in the heartland of America, dropping Rush Limbaugh earlier this year?

http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2007/01/rush-limbaugh-bloomington-program.htm l

And a hush was heard over America...... The EIB (excellence in bullshit) network and Plush Bimbo we're dropped? Call FAUXNews and get a team down there now! We need to know if those people are crazy or Devil worshipers. Dropping the Plush one.... Damn those EVIL Liberals.

From the same link:

"So what's the real issue? Our guess is that Limbaugh's fees simply became a bit more than WJBC's parent company was willing to pay, hence a termination date that coincides with the beginning of the second quarter. Programming with this long track record of success isn't cheap!"


Successful, indeed. No wonder the left dislikes him so much. If he were a failed talk host in the leftist Alec Baldwin or Al Franken mould, it wouldn't matter.

And there's a significant different between an entire failed format exiting a station and one announcer being replaced by another who often shares similar views.

Nice try. Spin on, lefties.

Herb

Great, tell us the difference. Exactly how is Air America being dropped in Eugene different than Rush being dropped in Bloomington. No shucking and jiving, just make the argument to back the statement you just made.

I also noticed the righward spin in the link I gave (little gift for you, Herb). You seem pleasantly satisfied with the rightie explanation, but dig a little deeper...the fees for Limbaugh's show wouldn't be an issue if they had the audience to pay for it. In fact, the explanation for both the Air America and Limbaugh drops is the same - not enough audience to support the programming. It's that simple.

Now the second question: Why is the loss of audience for A.America programming in Eugene "a death knell" for progressivism, but dropping numbers for Rush in Bloomington are some bizarre kind of "leftie spin?"

Welcome to HerbWorld.

Maybe in Bloomington, like most other midwest cities El Rushbo can be heard all across the dial. Possibly this small local station could not compete with the same programming coming into the market on Chicago and Indy stations.

That would be like if Rush were on in Salem and KEX and KPNW both have a perfectly good signal there. It would make selling the program more difficult for the local Salem station.

Just maybe it is NOT a political thing spinmeisters... maybe its is market economics!!

"Why is the loss of audience for A.America programming in Eugene "a death knell" for progressivism, but dropping numbers for Rush in Bloomington are some bizarre kind of "leftie spin?"

Because scare america is both financially and morally bankrupt.

I don't carry water for Rush, don't listen to him and disagree with his own immoral personal antics plenty. Call Rush what you want, but unlike scare america, he's financially solvent and pays his employees. Ask Al Franken, who was stiffed by those whom you defend.

Herb

Looks like KOPT in Eugene is still "progressive talk" although I wouldn't call it an "Air America" station. They are carrying almost as much non-AAR as they are carrying AAR programming. They are carrying 9 hrs of Jones Radio Network programming (Bill Press, Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz) and the rest AAR. KPOJ in Portland also has 9 hrs of non-AAR programming: the morning show, Ed Schultz, and Mike Malloy.

We shouldn't really call these "Air America" stations anymore. "Progressive Talk" is a better label, with Air America just one of several providers of content. AAR doesn't even run news anymore.

Andrew

Progessive in quotes is right.

Anti-logging. Anti-oil. Anti-nuclear. Anti-growth. Anti-business. Anti-family values. Anti-life. Anti-God.

"Progressive" indeed. Josef Goebbels was right.

Herb

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb here, but progressive talk/AAR really isn't built for selling in a smaller market. Generally, business people tend to lean conservative. In a small market you just have far less liberal/progressive business persons in the pool as you do in, say, Portland. It's a hard sell in a smaller market.

As far as AAR in concerned it only makes sense that Progressive stations carry some of their own local programming, and throw Ed Schultz into the mix. Plus, AAR is notorious for constantly shifting their schedule. They lack consistency.

Just some thoughts for discussion.

Bill

"Just maybe it is NOT a political thing spinmeisters... maybe its is market economics!!"

That's my point Notalant - thanks.

Herb would prefer to tag the Eugene situation as politically based, while tagging the Bloomington situation as economically based. But I believe it's the market in action, in both situations. Nothing political to read into it.

Politics affect markets.

Herb

Herb I believe you have effectively become the Anti-Anti.

Which is pretty much your sweeping generalization of anything anti-Herb.

Herb...
What are EXTREME RIGHT WINGED Bible thumpers????
Just asking....

If anti-anti means opposing those who burn our flag, or supporting the boy scouts in fighting the aclu, or supporting the right to life whilst standing against scammed parenthood and not buying into other countless liberal lies, then count me in with both ham fists.

Herb

"Politics affect markets."

But only the markets you decree, eh?

(This discussion really belongs on the other side of the board.)

What are EXTREME RIGHT WINGED Bible thumpers????

No surprise how Bible-believers are dismissed so often by the left. It's a badge of honour to stand up to anti-faith bigotry.

Herb

And your bigotry for ANYONE that thinks differently from YOU....

Libs embrace anyone..........as long as you embrace THEIR ideas. The most closed minded people I have ever met are lefties.

pdxcoug...seems to be mutual sentiment on both sides. No wonder it seems such little gets done and all we see and hear is posturing.

But instead of coming back with some quip that will just get rebuked by a another quip, let me just say that with all the energy we use to disagree with each other why not use that same energy to actually get something positive done. Oh the mountains we could move.

It's like we are locked into a marriage we can't get out of but are unwilling to negotiate and compromise to make it tolerable. Thankfully there are individuals who quietly go about doing the good work. They may disagree politically, religiously or otherwise, but they have learned that they really count on each other to get the work done. The reason you don't hear about them is because they don't make any noise and we don't take time to really listen to them.

Chris, I agree.
I voice my views at the ballot box not at work. I get a little worked up when I read this board!

pdxcoug...totally understandable. I appreciate your comments.

I voice my views at the ballot box not at work.
Great idea. Some people can even be fired for voicing their political views at work. I've also found that community events attended on one's own time (outside of their work) to be a great place to voice political views.

PDXCoug said>>>>
Libs embrace anyone..........as long as you embrace THEIR ideas.

Sounds a lot like the EXTREME RIGHT.... NOT TRUE Republicans mind you... EXTREME RIGHT Bible thumpin' my way or the highway peoples.

As someone who welcomed Air America to provide some balance in what had become the mostly right-wing world of commercial talk radio and as someone who listens to AAR some of most days (I think Rachel Maddow and Thom Hartmann are among the best hosts in the country) I have to say that, all in all, "Progresssive talk" stations are not doing that well in the ratings. The question is:why not? I don't believe for a minute that it's because most Americans are conservative. The polls and election results show clearly that the country is at most evenly divided right/left and possibly now tilting somewhat leftward. So why do you think "progressive talk" is not pulling down bigger numbers?

Brad-I think they got a head start, found some solid constituents, repeated the platform in a variety of ways and made those listening feel as if they were speaking for them. Plus it takes talent to work your side of the tracks over and over again.

Progressives seem to be stuck in trying to overcome what the conservative hosts have been saying for years. It's like trying to box your way out of a dark cave; you're not sure what you're swinging at.

But I think the chink in the armor for conservative radio is showing. With Bush moving more to the extreme right away from his solid more centered base, conservative radio is now having to deal with the fact their president may not have their best interests in mind.

Just some of my observations.

Good thoughts, Chris. I agree. I notice my attention drifting sometimes just because, even though I'm very interested in politics, I just can't listen to it all the time. I wonder if it would help for KPOJ, etc. to approach some other topics (films, travel, pop culture for example)from time to time as public radio does. Also, I think it would be much more interesting to feature more guests and callers who disagree with the host. (Thom Hartmann does this well)

bzzzz wrong.

Conservative talk radio took hold because of the overall imbalance of the media in general.

you are making the mistake of putting radio in a microcosm. most consumers of current events based media do not just use one source, such as talk radio for their information.

Conservative radio got started to fill the void in the overall media which was dominated on TV, Newpaper, and Newsmagazine by the Liberal view, editorially speaking.

Just like someone coming into a market with no CHR and seeing the void and filling it.

the problem with AAR, besides initial poor execution was their failure to see that there is no shortage of their "content" in the media overall.

Their approach was based on a false premis. that their view was not getting out there somehow.

This is no different than putting a 4th CHR in a market with mediocre talent and mostly the same music and wondering why it isn't working.

Only in this case its a third or fourth talk station with nothing terribly unique to distinguish themselves.

There are exceptions to every generallity, hence the isolated success of KPOJ.

" Their approach was based on a false premis. that their view was not getting out there somehow."

I hadn't considered looking at it that way and didn't know about that premise. That's a good point.

In the realm of talk radio, conservative views outnumber progressive views by quite a bit. But Notalent's point is well taken. What other media has greater appeal to progressives? NPR certainly has a more liberal audience, Rush Limbaugh's is more conservative. Both shows claim not to be biased, but rather "truthful". But each seems to have a type of truth (or one type of program format) that appeals to it's respective audience.

Perhaps the talk radio format is not the preferred way for liberals to get their information about the world.

One might argue that reality has a perceived "liberal bias", when viewed from a conservative POV. Therefore, anyone coming from a conservative POV will see a liberal bias in media, even media that strives to be unbiased.

People like to hear their views confirmed. "liberals", "progressives" and "moderates" can often get that from many media sources. "conservatives" may need to go to specialty media (conservative talk radio) to get that confirmation.

Thankfully neither progressive nor conservative commentators sway me since I never listen to talk radio period.

Chris, try to say something useful. Who care if you don't listen to talk radio, some of us do.

50kw- If you scroll up a ways you will notice my earlier post. Hopefully it's a bit more useful. I was merely following up from my earlier post.

Also as a radio broadcaster myself, I find it interesting that my own industry can't hold my attention.

I agree with the idea that conservative talk radio rose to popularity because it was offering a point of view not found in many other places on the air.(Many stations had some conservative hosts, though, such as Mark Lee at KLIQ or Pat Michaels at KGO, or Ray Briem at KABC) While the whole left and right thing is very subjective (I've always found that those far to the right and the left say exactly the same sort of things about the mainstram media) I don't buy the idea that NPR, the major TV networks and the N.Y. Times (for example) are all "liberal." I don't see how anybody could have read the Times' coverage of the Clinton presidency and believe that they were pro-Democratic Party. (The NYT broke the Whitewater story after all) And it seems the TV networks news is not much about political POV at all but more about tabloid sensationalism.

Brade, not only did the NYT take the lead in the Whitewater story, but a number of the stories they published about Whitewater turned out to be FALSE. (I am trying to make a quick point without turning this into a political thread or an argument about the "liberal media.")

Andrew

IMHO, talk is a good format for any listener seeking these things.

It just needs a more sophisticated approach.

Bill Mar, for example, makes a great show! It's a contrast of opinion --has some depth. It's better than, talking point, caller, caller, asshole caller, humor, talking point, talking point, ass, caller, caller, spots (lots of spots --too many spots), etc...

KOPJ has some variety. Thom runs a great program, on the other end (sophistication side) we've got Schultz and Rhodes. Maddow is good too. Differentiated.

Rather than dismiss talk, push it. That's the key to greater acceptance. There is a vacuum on the progressive side that needs filling.

Clearly the same tried and true formulas are not as effective with progressive / liberal people. They are more diverse, thus their talk should feature more content forms.

Good points!

Missing said "KOPJ has some variety."
Yes they do. But everything is religion. That is what their call letters mean....
"Keep On Praising Jesus"
Looking at their program lineup, I don't see Thom, Schultz, Rhodes, and Maddow. Not surprising because I would not expect to see them on a station that touts "Praising Jesus"

...or Portland Oregon Journal!

"...or Portland Oregon Journal!"
Wouldn't KPOJ stand for Portland Oregon Journal? At least it did originally.

I think Humble was referring to MissingKSKD's mention of KOPJ. We all know he gets it backwards most of the time. Perhaps Mr. Humble did not remember that.

Since it appears that KPOJ is his favorite station, I guess one would assume he would get it right most of the time.

KOPJ is NOT KPOJ.

Kdsk, no pajamas. KPOJ doesn't wear pajamas . . .

Go ahead, laugh!

(I am)

Sorry KPOJ people. It's just a bad combination for me, don't know why...