I am not sure why the Boss hornets decided to single me out, but hey, I guess that solidifies my experience on Pdxradio.

Man, just take it with a grain of Salt, we all know better! Just steer clear of it and let the focus land on the next unwary traveler into that "Twilight Zone" of a thread! I ain't gonna look at it no more, not even out of morbid curiosity! Maybe Dan will close it off for anymore posts!


Oh let the sun beat down upon my face, stars to fill my dream
I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been
To sit with elders of the gentle race, this world has seldom seen
They talk of days for which they sit and wait and all will be revealed
Talk and song from tongues of lilting grace, whose sounds caress my ear
But not a word I heard could I relate, the story was quite clear

I will take it with a grain of salt. I just wish that I had not felt attacked from the get go. I do not enjoy being paged with my name by folks I do not know. I do not like having my radio friends called out by folks I do not know. If this fellow wasn't hiding behind a pseudonym, it might be different. That thread has often devolved into a real catfight, so frankly, outside of a few bits, it stopped being amusing pretty early on. I was done posting until somebody hollered.

Thanks for the Zeppelin. :o)

NP...keep a stiff upper lip ol boy, pip pip cherriO' an all that rot!

Remember my plight just a short time ago, that was, well, not nice, so I can sort of relate with you!

You are a very classy guy, LS, and I love you (OK, your posts) madly, green hat and all!

Keep on keepin' on!

DT, I instantly thought of you when my name was floated out in the forum! What is with some folks around here? The good humored shooting of the bull is what I like most about this place. Doggone it, we all deserve better than strafing runs, mean jabs and blown tops on the radio side.

Thanks a helluvalot Merkin! You guys are the best.

It can be very difficult to interject levity on the serial side of this forum without people flipping a lid or blowing a gasket. I was gonna lash out at first then thought that would egg it on so I ignored as best I could and others alerted Danno and he put a stop to it! I am sure that he is keeping a close eye on that thread and the latest outing of people may see that thread shutdown. He seems to do things like that on the weekends. Just steer clear of it and it will fade away, other good people around here know better and won't give him the time of day either!
But.....you know those antagonistic posts sure keep the Boss in the "Limelight" don't ya know. But don't read nothin' into that though!

I guess that hanging up the overcoat on the other Boss thread is a good idea too. Too bad really. The How to Get Into Radio thread devolves into a hilarious discussion of dildos over there without any help from me, but my dorky Falk gag is what stirs the pot? LMAO. I must not post when I am up late, punchy and enjoying unscoped airchecks from a friend. :o)

Your point about the Boss is spot on.

You like Herman's Hermits? Check out the Podcast in the thread of that same name!

Something tells me you're into something good. Thanks! :0)

Ignore it.

Like it was already said, it will pass. Always does. The reason is there are more solid contributors here. As long as that remains true, nobody has any worries.

You are a class act man. I enjoy your thoughts and look forward to reading them. Pass the steak sauce!

No steak sauce for us ay Little, We need crow sauce as Merkin is duffing our dudes bad in the PDXRadioNation fantasy football league! You shoulda joined, it's a real hoot! I know not much about football but hey, i'm in second over at least three others that to. Of course having the leagues top point scorer, Tom Brady, is a bonus!

Hey Merkin, better check your stats! Portis is on vacay this week and Hines Ward is most likely out as well with a sprained ankle! Will these week be the week Merkin get de-throned? We shall See!!!!!

LS..
Don't let anyone get you down... Hell, I'm still here! And Lord knows that I've had my run ins's with some individuals on here that have given me fits. Most are gone... BUT I'M STILL HERE!!!!
Stay in the game and keep swingin'!

Darktemper, we are all helped by the fact that it is a long season. If Merkin goes Miami '72 on us, we will never ever live it down. That is a fine steak my friend. :0)

Thanks Trix! I lurked forever, finally posted this year, and was still unprepared for some curveballs from the oddballs. We are family here. Broadcasting, from the front desk to the final in the tranny is a dysfunctional, competitive, and verbose tribe of folks with wildly different personalities. Thank heavens!

From the Boss thread:

"Author: Missing_kskd
Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 3:48 pm

Only one rule: Never, ever write what you cannot live with. If it's honest and defensible, the only people who will have real problems with it are those who have bigger problems of their own.

Comes down to this:

Are your values for sale or not? If they are for sale, there is no shame in that, but best be quiet or risk devaluing yourself. If not, speak with no worries!"

Thanks Missing, for the encouragement and also for saying that early on in the thread. Yes, we are probably the king and prince of big posts, but for every person who calls us out here, there are a half dozen or so who drop a nice note in our e-mail. :0)

One final thought: Anyone who needs truly concrete evidence that I have recent broadcast experience should use their insider status to get a tour of the 1080 site. There is a concrete block at the base of tower two. It has a date on it. I remember the day, because I was there when we did the job.

Oh, not that inside, eh? Drive by the old KISN site and behold the stacks of reinforcement blocks. +/- 6,000 pounds a piece. I was on that one too.

BTW, I was also the fellow who had to scare up a David Rose cut at the last minute for an SBE retirement party this last summer. ;0)

"Thanks Missing, for the encouragement and also for saying that early on in the thread. Yes, we are probably the king and prince of big posts..."

Yes You Are. OMG, can that Missing give the old English language a workout!

Seriously, I envy how you both are able to take the time to explore all facets of the issue de jour. My day is so busy I need to stay in lurk mode most of the time, and when I do post, lately it's getting more and more truncated. Not that longer is better (or worse), but I just wish I could engage more here sometimes.

But when I do scroll through a thread, I always pause at the LS or mKSKD posts. I'm rarely unsatisfied by what I read.

Thanks Edselehr. Well, I am a writer by nature and this is a place where I really enjoy the company. I always read what you have to say too. You ought to come to the shindig, so we can all shoot the bull properly. I bet they give you the best parking spot!

BTW, before anyone jumps to conclusions, it was a wire stripper. :0)

I'd love to. Place and time are a big factor for me. Last I saw, people were thinking the R&R Cafe, but was a "when" ever decided?

Please keep date and time off of the forum. I am still a little gun shy, literally!

Please send out another reminder!

I don't know the when, and totally agree it should not be public.

Who's the point person to contact? *Has* a time been set? I'm cool with being screened.

Like Groucho said, "I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."

Well I sort of got nominated at the last get together so I have activated an email which is in my profile, dark_temper@yahoo.com
Please be assured that any contact information received will be kept completely private. I am apprehensive to say the least about using my real email address so it's YAhooooo. Merkin, Little, PDXDC and others can vouch for me if you want references.

I ought to post something here.

Well then let's hear it man!

I don't know. I just saw how close I was to 1000 posts* and that seems like it would be a good place to stop. I think the last few should be of substance. I will say, that the people in this thread seem to be of a better quality. Not to slight many of the other fine posters that populate PDX radio, considering I have never met but a couple of you. Actually I find it wonderfully refreshing that there are many non radio people with more passion for the industry than some who are on the inside. I also have no problem when disagreements arise based on opinions. In fact, there are some radio people here long on experience, that I think played an integral part in "ruining" the industry. Those who pushed "listeners follow numbers" rather than recognising radio as an art form, and that the creative side is as important to keeping listeners as the format is. References to "suits", "Bean counters", "Corporate puppets", or any other disparaging term I might use in conjunction with a radio opinion is not a personal attack, but rather a condemnation on a one sided myopic approach to a position.

For Example, I absolutely HATE VTs, and have stated why, but I also realize why some stations may need to employ them. So, I see both sides. T.D. is a good example of the point I am trying to make. Her opinion and experience is probably 180 degrees from mine, yet I bet that I give more ground on her viewpoint than she would on mine, though the answers are probably to be found with a balance of our opinions rather than at either end.

The good part of so many posters on this forum is the balanced approach. As a long passionate broadcaster, my emphasis is on live local interest content within a given format. For those of you outside the industry, your input from a listener perspective emphasizes what you perceive to be lacking in content, while someone with T.D. expertise, the emphasis is on marketing and research. It's a combination of all the above that makes for a great station. It's not designing the next MOVIN,JACK,MIKE,CHARLIE et al. that will be radios savior, nor will the CC buyout prove to be the tonic the industry needs. It will be a realization that, unless radio communicates with the listener and provides content that will keep them amused, informed, entertained, and connected, then it will cease to be viable. The companies that put the stockholder interests first, found that long term growth was not sustainable at the levels investors require. So, while the new debt soaked groups will look for higher than market ROI to justify the expenditure, the solution for real growth will lie not so much in centralized effeciency, but rather how well the listener and advertiser are served at the LOCAL level. Skeleton staffs, centralized programming and clusters have proven not to be the answer. Dare the new groups go the other way? There is not much left to cut.

Community stations abandoned their local markets and became larger market move ins, resulting in underserved local areas and oversaturated cities. Surely, centralized programming of multi formats serving the entire chain won't improve the viability of the industry as kennewickman suggested in another thread. I just don't see a JRN/MOYL/SATRAD type of business model with some local content being the savior of the industry, no matter how good the local sales staff and production guru. To win the heart of the local community you have to be a part of it. To win it you have to be in it. You have to cover it or create it, not pipe it in from a far off land!

WOW! I was about to launch into specifics but the realization just struck me that I am in no position to implement my thoughts, and those who are have no interest in my opinion. The thought occurs to me to delete the whole post since it serves no real purpose other than to show potential readers how smart I think I might be. I will however leave it for others to decide whether or not it was worth reading.

As for the origins behind this thread, O3 is out of line and following a misguided line of reasoning. Whether earning points with his employer or not, or being encouraged to posture, there is an underlying meanness and a being superior by making others inferior that makes one want to just say screw it and let the board sink into another AA/RADIO INFO type of snipefest that spends most of its energies on name calling rather than being an industry information resource. These forums should be a place to network, to exchange thoughts and ideas, to make new friends and contacts, discuss, and debate interests; any thread fair game to comment on. But, like everything else, there are always a few bullies and punks that show up, kick over your sandcastle, break your toys, and take over the place just to show they can. Maybe you can kick their ass, but they won't learn, and in the end they are just not worth expending the energy on.


I shall now end this overly verbose commentary, with a bit of good natured yet fictional "OUTING" of my own. Despite profiles which may appear to be real.....

djfrrrresh is actually Newt Ghormley, Cross Company Director of Programming Western states region. This is a government job, funded by the FCC. Though his office is in the Clear channel building on Macadam, he is responsible for All corporate programming in the region. He is in direct contact with any group which owns more than two stations in the same city which is why you notice similarities in content whether you are tuned into a Cumulus, Clear Channel, Bonneville, NNW, Bi Coastal, or other corporate groups. now wat u tink bout dat

darktemper is really Darius Maginty, an illegal irish immigrant who writes letters to the editor regarding the over abundance of streetlights. You may have seen him 5 years ago on an episode of COPS dressed as a penguin, he was the one who was TASERED then later sued the City of Portland for cruelty to animals. Out of court settlement pending....

littlesongs is really Kyle Durkmann, a dwarf piano player who books his combo into small bars throughout Oregon and western Washington He auditioned for the biggest loser in season one, but got lost.

missing kskd is really Waldo Pennywart, he works at Office MAX in Tigard and spends all of his free time at Chuck E. cheese winning tickets on the Whack a Mole game.

Mrs.merkin... real name is Candie Barnunn and she runs a corn dog food trailer that travels the county fair circuit. She has been featured many times on You Tube dressed as a butcher and protesting against cruelty to sea urchins. BTW, yes, they are real!

And just to keep it fair, My real name is Elmo Zook. I know all about radio because I once worked three days cleaning a radio station but was fired when I put on a pair of high heels that were under the receptionists desk and sang along with Dolly Parton's Here You Come Again while disinfecting the control room microphone. I have my own web site at org-gov.com where I promote the recruitment and hiring of celebrity look-a-likes for civil service jobs. I live in a home made shed and have written a book entitled Sheep Loving Sheep Natures Way. Yes, that was me in Hand That Rocks The Cradle.

Should you wish to know the true identity of any PDXer please do not hesitate to let me know, and I will make one up.


hope none of the above are angry that I outed them




*(not counting those posted as rogertoo)

I totally agree with Edselhr's post at 5:57 yesterday. I can't devote the time to really get into this place as much as I'd like, but I do enjoy certain topics and posters. Missing and Little being 2 of my most favorite. I'm hoping to get to the meetup, that was fun last time.

I think outing is rude. Period. It's just wrong, not only on the Internet, but in life in general. Bad bad form.

Roger- You rock buddy! Super creative. I enjoy your comments immensely.

Keep on keeping on folks! Don't let the b*stards get you down.

That would be a loss indeed if you were to stop posting. It can sometimes be disheartening to have to muck through so much to find quality posts, but after a while, at least for me, I find it easy to scroll past posts or threads not worth reading or responding to. Hang in man,

*good times, bad times,
You know we've had our share;

I think it's hit bottom, people are catching their breathe, and things will get going on the right track again, unlike Portland Max!

BTW....out of court case settled. Lifetime supply of squid and herring.

Thanks for the compliment BTW! Now that you've chimed in that group has expanded! Keep the Faith man!

What is particularly interesting is how one is able to get into the mindset of someone who enjoys "outing" people. Not only is the "outed" able to tell which information if factual and which is not, one can see how much effort the troll put forth to verify these facts, and can tell if an attempt was made to slant the information in one direction.

At any rate, I hope the troll didn't scare some people way cuz a healthy forum depends on views from everybody, not just the thick skinned.

Don't worry bout it man. It'll pass, but on the way out if feels sort of like passing a stone, trust me I know on both issues! Only difference is that with one you get these nice little pills and like the Metallica song "Nother Else Matters"! With the other you just gotta hand on and know it will get better, and it will.

Keep the Faith!

I have trouble figuring out why some need to hide their identity anyway.

For one thing, a requirement of full disclosure may result in a dull forum. The possibly of seeing a car wreck may be the reason some check in . . .

I wasn't thinking of it being a requirement.

It's just best practice in open internet forums. Bots searching for email addresses, stalkers, identity theft, etc. BTW, outing someone is just not nice and egging that on is almost as bad! That's all I will say bout that.

Everyone, I am sorry if I contributed to the mess. It was totally unintentional. I like all of you, no really, all of you, and I appreciate everyone who posted here or dropped me a line. I hope this is a distant memory soon.

Thanks a heckuvalot Warner. I can't wait to hang out again. I agree with you that it was rude to toss out names. Like I said, I am just me.

Roger, I love it when you spiel. That great post was not only Missing sized, it was of very high quality. It's not Durkmann though, it's dork man!

Skep, you might be right about morbid fascination.

Deane, I agree with you. Like Darktemper, I do like to avoid bots, so I only leave my last initial in my profile. It is no big deal. My nickname is simply a domain I have had for a long time.

Still, if somebody has been truly treated unfairly, or needs the cover to be whistle blower, or has a hilarious anecdote, or even just needs to vent a little about a particularly hard day, it is a good outlet. If it is anonymous and not mean spirited, I think it can work in a positive way. I am glad the board functions as it does.

I consider the subject closed and hope all returns to normal in that crazy way.

Pray for Myanmar!

Deane, here are some reasons why one might not want to make it easy to personally identify one's contributions:


-celeb status

If one is known, there is a higher risk of losers dogging, stalking, harassing, smearing than would otherwise be the case.


-employment

Some employers don't want their employees online. IMHO, one's personal time is their own, so a low profile identity permits a balance here.


-role play

Ever want to be somebody else, another gender, older, younger, etc? Also really great for exploring difficult subject matters, getting advice, etc...


-fear of retribution

Sometimes things need to be said, but the cost is quite high.

Also in this category is competing employees, wanting to share info for their own good, but would have to deal with lots of silly issues, if doing so were personally identifiable.

(I do the latter often, BTW --just not here.)

-learning online manners, competency, deportment

At some point, everybody either gets online, or does not. If one is new, it's not a bad idea to adopt an identity and get the teething pains out of the way. Pre-Internet people did this as teenagers. Pushing boundaries, etc... are all part of the online equation and must be learned in much the same way core socialization is learned in childhood.

(Omega3 is doing that right now! He will be better for it, when it's all over.)

Most of us here know the drill. We don't have a lot of issues, so keeping it real is no big thing. A few of us have career entanglements, so we put on the mask, but are ordinary otherwise. No big deal.

There are always first timers, and they always have issues. They are gonna pull stuff that's not always in good form. That, in and of itself, is not a bad reason for keeping ones personal identity more private than would otherwise be warranted.

Roger man, you just kill me most of the time! Love your bits!

I can certainly understand using a pseudonym online for all of the reasons Missing_kskd stated, but as for myself, I use a "fake handle" because:

-My real name is not common, is very dorky, plus while trying to pronounce the thing it mushes up in my mouth so I never use it on the radio.(I've never been crazy about my given name but its the only name I've got--kind of gotta deal with it!)

-Also, I share a first/last name with a famous British cricket player(and we're both about the same age!) Although this isn't a problem here in the States, I get tired of trying to explain to subjects of the British Commonwealth that I don't know anything about cricket!

I use my real name in personal/professional/business e-mails and in real life(duh), but that's about it.

Obviously, using a fake online name to randomly attack people or make an arse or yourself on a bulletin board is UN-acceptable.(another duh)

Yep. In this case, the cost was high.

Trashing your peers, and generally degrading ones online persona, whatever that may be, just to bury some words that may not apply, is a net loss.

Better to just add to the net positive contributions and the gaffe will fade on it's own. This is difficult to learn to do however. Often, ones own gaffes end up glaring. For others, it's a matter of context and there is always more context than one thinks there is.

The reality is that nobody really cares in the longer term, and ones own control issues always make matters worse.

Been there in the past. --a few times actually! I'm sure many of us have been there, and real name or not has no real bearing on getting through it.

Qpat: Yeah, I've got a dorky name too. Back when I first started using the net, I worried about this. (91) In all that time, nobody has ever commented on that matter. I thought it would come up, like it did growing up, but it never has.

I don't think anybody really cares about that, as we all have some issues with our own name. And one never knows where one lives these days. That name could be perfectly ordinary somewhere else!

At least mine is easy to pronounce!!