I mean, in the traditional sense. Spacecraft or aliens from another planet.

Do you think there is life out there elsewhere and they have been seen by us? From Earth.

Don't parse it out. You know what I'm asking.

Yep, other life is out there. But no, we've not seen (or heard -- SETI) them yet.

I have no idea if there is other life out there or not. Could be. But I've seen not the slightest proof, beyond some wishful thinking.

As for the people who think they have seen something? I believe a lot of them are sincere in what they believe they experienced, but that doesn't mean they saw what they think they saw. People are vulnerable to delusions under a variety of circumstances. People believe they saw something may have been under the influence of drugs/alcohol, under great personal stress, or just apt to have delusions (e.g. people who are schizophrenic, even mildly so). Or they may simply have a desire to believe something and interpret an unexplained observation to fulfil this desire.

People's perceptions and observations are notoriously unreliable, anyway. You know the story about 10 people observing the same traumatic incident and you get 8 different stories? We are not rational recording devices like Mr. Spock.

Andrew

Ah man that means the movie Cocoon isn't based on fact?

I think they're out there and we've seen them, too. There's so much about the universe that we don't know. Or maybe the illusion is we think we don't know it.
But I do think humans have seen UFOs.

So Andrew, and I am NOT attacking you, I am just talking/asking as diplomatically as I can, you think that EVERYONE that has claimed to been in some contact ( visual, physical, etc. ) can currently be chalked up to a mental disorder of some kind? I mean, you say YOU have no idea, but if YOU saw something that convinced you that you saw something other worldly, you yourself would doubt your own mental (im)balance? To the degree that you would come down on the side of " I must be crazy."?

I understand the reaction of " This can't be real." But there is NOTHING that could convince you that it IS real?

Chickenjuggler: What brought this on? Did you see something last night?

Report sighting's to the "National UFO Reporting Center". Here's the form:

http://www.ufocenter.com/reportform.html

Andrew2: Would Jesus or the Virgin Mary fall into what You posted above also?

I think there are other sentient beings out there. I also think we look pretty scary to them. Since I was a kid, I've thought about the broadcasts we've made. Those things are radiating away from us, like this big sphere. So anyone worth talking to is highly likely to have met us this way first.

We fight among our selves, shit where we eat, grow like weeds, are ambitious as hell, think we know more than we really do, and go around waving sticks and beating drums in the names of various deities we squabble over daily. We don't even get along with our own, why would we treat anyone else any different?

Our location is way out in the back water of the galaxy too. Hard to get there, last to develop, kind of the slums --like felony flats, only it's a spoke.

If anything, we will detect and grow to understand the "quarantined" beacons first!

Have any of us seen anything? I don't think so --maybe though!

roswell

Chickenjuggler writes:
So Andrew, and I am NOT attacking you, I am just talking/asking as diplomatically as I can, you think that EVERYONE that has claimed to been in some contact ( visual, physical, etc. ) can currently be chalked up to a mental disorder of some kind? I mean, you say YOU have no idea, but if YOU saw something that convinced you that you saw something other worldly, you yourself would doubt your own mental (im)balance? To the degree that you would come down on the side of " I must be crazy."?

Not all people who see these things are "crazy." Some people may be under some kind of stress or at some point of needing to believe something. The mind makes an observation, it needs an explanation. Sometimes an explanation is beyond the presently available knowledge, so something is settled upon. The explanation chosen may depend on an individual's own beliefs and experiences.

There's simply been no hard evidence of any sort of real observation of an ET or UFO. None. People have SEEN a lot of things, sure. Doesn't make them what the people claim them to be.

If there is life beyond our planet, even advanced beings who have visited, I'm open to it. Just show me the evidence. Without evidence, it's just speculation and wishful thinking.

Andrew

I agree there hasn't been any hard evidence presented.

Do you think it's a worthy endeavour to actively seek a hard answer?

Also, if it were made known that there was life out there, and they had, in fact, visited us - how would you ( each of you ) react? I mean, let's say that it was a peaceful visit that we got. Would you trust them? Would you dismiss them as evil?

Just curious?

Wouldn't be able to trust until I knew more about them. Not evil, unless they demonstrate that.

Kind of wish it would happen. It would unify us in a new way. There would be humans, and others instead of just lots of different kinds of humans all picking on one another because they can.

I've never seen an alien visitor conspiracy theory that makes any sense when you apply a little thinking to it. Why, for example, have all the alien sighting/abduction stories taken place only in the time period when our culture had given serious consideration to aliens? Why no abuction stories from the 1700's, for example? They seem to start toward the end of the '30s (thanks alot, Orson Wells).

And the more we understand about the difficulty of interstellar space travel, the less likely it is that we have been visited by beings from another world. But we remain in our totally fictitious Star Trek "Warp Speed" mentality about how space travel works.

And if the government cannot do the simple job of keeping the recent story quiet about nukes being flown over the continental US, what makes you think that they could keep Roswell Aliens under wraps for 60 years? There's a reason almost all conpiracy theories never become conspiracy facts.

I'm almost certain Vitalogy and Trixter have both been on board a UFO and the aliens forgot to remove their anal probes.

Easy.

I don't believe in UFO's at all. If they existed, we'd know.

" We'd know "

Like, you and I would know? Or someone in a high up government position would know?

You folks might not know this, but Craig Adams is big in the Alpha Centauri system. They will be catching tonight's great show in four years and four months from now. If they remember Yaw's, and still travel at lightspeed, I would keep an eye out for aliens at the Rock-n-Roll cafe in about nine years.

The public fascination with extraterrestrials and their technology has generated a lot of really great stories. Unfortunately, the stories are just stories; none of the alleged sightings over the years has been confirmed to be of an extraterrestrial spacecraft.

If extraterrestrials are sending probes or themseleves to Earth, I think that it is safe to assume that this is a major scientific endeavor for them. The aliens are not going to be casually landing their spacecraft and doing goofy stuff, as some of the stories claim. On the contrary, if their goal is to observe life on earth, especially humans, they would probably do everything that they could so that we wouldn't be aware of their presence.

If an extraterrestrial race came to earth and made its presence known, I think that this would put most humans into a very uncomfortable position because we're used to the paradigm that we're the top species. There would be major cultural shakeups, but I think that the outcome could be quite negative.

The latest theory on UFO's: They do not travel across space as we know it but are interdimensional. It's further theorized that when the atomic age began the UFO's were able to cross into our dimension from rips in time and space left from atomic bomb blasts. This would explain why humanity has only seen the bulk of them in the last 50 years. These rips have not been repaired, the door is open.

Honestly Craig, that is the kind of "fitting the facts to the theory" that would make George Bush proud.

DA said>>>
I'm almost certain Vitalogy and Trixter have both been on board a UFO and the aliens forgot to remove their anal probes.

WOW! Didn't graduate from high school??? What's YOUR problem??? Wearing your tinfoil hat with Herb in the basement of your parents house??
BTW... Thanks for the compliment.....
Are you 9???

"Yep, other life is out there. But no, we've not seen (or heard -- SETI) them yet."

"There's simply been no hard evidence of any sort of real observation of an ET or UFO. None. People have SEEN a lot of things, sure. Doesn't make them what the people claim them to be. "

"I don't believe in UFO's at all. If they existed, we'd know."


Oh well jeez, thanks for the warm feelings, people. I'm so glad I can log in to the computer and find out that I really don't exist......

On the other hand, I like to believe I am not exactly what most people claim me to be....only better. WAY better.

ZNEET!!

I sawr one once, it whar shaiped kina lik a budweezer bottle!

Isn't it funny how Redneck's see the most UFO's!

I believe we have been visited by other lifeforms, probably by accident at first, lets face it, there really isnt any thing here to attract someone. We've only been radiating radio waves for about 100 years.

But a ship could have been traveling by, developed the equivelant of carborator trouble, and parked here while waiting for intersteller AAA.

And since then they could have come back, sort of like how we send scientists up the Amazon.

"We've only been radiating radio waves for about 100 years."

That is, we've only been actively broadcasting radio waves for about 100 years.

The earth itself has been radiating radio waves ever since it was first formed, some several billions of years ago!

>>>"The earth itself has been radiating radio waves ever since it was first formed, some several billions of years ago!"

What sort of programming?

OK, I should have said , We have only been broadcasting radio waves with human imprint, (I almost said intelligence), on them for about 100 years.

"What sort of programming?"

Hard Rock

I haven't seen a UFO. But it's a mathematical certainty that there's other life out there.

Yep. My dad and I saw one when I was 11 years old. It was above our house in Vancouver.

There cannot be any UFO's

Because once you have identified it as unidentified, it is no longer unidentified.

That's my theory and I'm sticking with it!

No, if you see it, and you don't know what it is, its still unidentified.

True. As long as you don't identify it as unidentified!

LMAO @ Edselehr! ZNEET back atcha Zak!!

Nwokie, I like the idea of a breakdown and an interstellar AAA. Your theory is solid considering that most of our continent is inhabited by folks who followed a lost sailor.

This is an interesting thread Chickenjuggler. I think it is a worthy discussion. Being raised to look up, I have seen many things in the skies that could not be explained in the moment. I was also raised on Carl Sagan, so I hold out hope for contact.

However, in light of the technologies that have been developed in the last almost four decades since I was born, there has always been an eventual explanation. I do not believe in little green men, unless that is the color of the uniforms.

If the probable introduction of Earth to another civilization is a blizzard of FM signals, then I am not jesting in the least when I point out that Craig is an ambassador. I'm sure we all agree that advanced civilizations have DXers. :0)

Craig touched on the fact that nuclear explosions can also be detected at interstellar distances. As a planet, we have detonated many bombs since the 1940s. That message is unfortunately more poignant than anything that could be said on the air.

Lander, I'm curious. What did you see?

BTW, is anyone else involved in SETI@Home?

I was for a long time. Made the top 1 percent, with a bunch of SGI's. Fun stuff.

I second Carl Sagan. Great person. Inspiring.

"I'm sure we all agree that advanced civilizations have DXers. :0)"

Did you know, there *are* in fact people who track pulsars by the radio signals they give off? Right here on Earth.

Zneet Znadder Zneet!!

(Thermoman's my second cousin, did you know that?? And no, I'm not Arnie.......)

LMAO! They promised that you would live with Pam Dawber too, eh? Yeah, that one got me signed on for it. I tell you, landing an oblong sphere on a rocky slope in a Colorado snowstorm is a helluvalot harder than they said it would be in training. Of course, no Pam, just three very awkward weeks at a KOA in the dead of winter. Once the drifts piled in, it actually looked like an Airstream. Boy, I was pissed off when I found out it was just a damn television show. Robin Williams just glared at me when I said Na-Nu Na-Nu. Thanks a lot Orson. You said it was a secret transmission from Earth. :o)

Gort! Klaatu barada nikto!

When our girls were little I once told them their mother was an alien. Their eyes got as big as saucers (sorry) and they said "Really Dad?" I got out my wife's Green Card and showed them where it said "Alien Registration Card" right on the front! So having scarred them for life, where can I take my hybrid kids for therapy?

Roswell!

That is a great way to wreck a kid Scott. LOL. Just think, if you both teach them to drive, they might just compromise and use the middle. :0)

- Mork calling Orson. Come in, Orson.
- I hear you, Mork. What are we going to talk about this week?
- Well, Orson, my value on the Earth market is twenty-five thousand dollars.
- How much is that in grebbles?
- Zero point three.
- I could get more for you on Neptune.
- It's amazing what they'll pay for a snack.
- Were the McConnells selling you? I thought they made their money by selling sounds.
- The sound business has been very quiet. Annhh! Annhh!
- Money seems to be important to Earthlings.
- I'll buy that. They bring it to a place called a 'bank'.
- What happens at a bank?
- You bring in your money, it meets other money, mates and makes more money. It's like a singles bar for cash.
- Can anyone get it?
- No, only rich people. Banks will give you money to buy a boat but not to buy food.
- Why is that?
- I think it's because food is harder to repossess... Hey, Orson, don't take any wooden grebbles. This is Mork, signing off from Boulder, Colorado. Na-No, Na-No.


Politician: You know I'd like to thank you for the time and trouble in bringing this to my attention. Before you go, I would like to present you with one of my souvenir pens.
Mork: Look, if I wanted a pen and coffee I'd have mugged a waitress. You know what, I don't need any more pens. Look at this.
[Mork pulls a handful of pens out of his jacket pocket]
Mork: And look at that one, it's a Ronald Reagan pen, it's got no point

So if they come here uninvited........

Just what we need, MORE ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Scott, if they were born here they are OK!

In looking on the web, I see that our governor is a Lizard/Human hybrid

Why is overnight radio the home for all the crackpots?

was DXing at 4:30 AM and picked up C2C on 14 different stations........ too much!!!! at least WBZ and WCBS is live and LOCAL!!!

>>"The earth itself has been radiating radio
>>waves ever since it was first formed, some
>>several billions of years ago!"
>
>What sort of programming?

Look up the terms whistler, Schumann resonance, and dawn chorus. These are all naturally occurring electromagnetic phenomena produced by the earth. Whistlers and the Schumann resonance peaks are excited by lightning strikes. Dawn chorus is thought to be caused by high energy electrons that interact with the Van Allen radiation belts. These phenomena all occur at 10 kHz and below, so I am not sure whether these signals make it out into space.

Thats, true, but so does every other planet in the universe, there is no particular reason anyone would look closer at this planet. As for nuclear detonations, they would only be detected about 50 light years out so far.

Stop and think. Do you think that someone just made up those characters in, some Twilight Zone episodes, Lost In Space, Star Trek, Stargate, Star Wars, Star Search, and Dancing With The Stars? Of course not. They had to have something to base it on.... Anyone remember The Invaders? I saw Plan Nine from Outerspace. So close to the truth it could have been a documentary. And Orson Welles? A visionary! That's why he was killed.

next you'll say zombies aren't real.

You left out my favorite martian.

Roger, remember that Bush is now monitoring all domestic communications, including I'm sure this board. Reveal too many truths and you too will get the "Orson Wells" treatment (And I don't mean being condemned to doing voicework for Paul Masson wine).

Little Songs....my dad and I had just finished taking a walk. It was in the summer, around 10:30 at night.

I was running to the back door of the house and I heard dad say, "OH, MY GOD"!! I looked over at him...he was looking up. I looked up. We saw an object about the size of a small truck. It was covered in colored lights and made NO sound, whatsoever. It hovered over a tree in our backyard for a few moments. Then, in an instant, it was gone. "WARP SPEED", if you will!

I know....sounds nuts. If it was (only) me that had seen it, I'm sure that I would have doubts about it, today. But, my dad saw it, too.

Weird, huh?

Alfredo, query for ya:

So, if you are travelling to British Columbia and take a VLF receiver with you, is it possible to receive whistlers in Whistler?

*rimshot*

<http://www.spaceweathersounds.com/sndbites.htm> -- very cool. Has sound files of whistlers, dawn choruses and others.

(Use Winamp or XMMS for this!!)

Lander, that is weird! Thanks for being brave enough to let us know about it. I have a few friends who grew up in and around Clark County. I ought to ask them if they remember something too. Around what year did it happen? If you remember enough to file a report, Craig provided a great link.

LOL @ everyone! Great stuff Alfredo and Zak!

I was a kid...11 or 12, I think. SO, we're talkin around 1979.

It freaked us out so much that my Dad called the airport!!

And then Lander went out and rented " Earth Girls are Easy."

As much as I LOVE having you on this side, come on, it's fun to rib ya about your perfectly acceptable reputation.

MAN, I miss you. You and I worked just a couple gigs together and you were NOTHING but a pro who lived what little Life of Reily radio had to offer. Nobody judged you for it - we all were a tad envious.

You deserve great things for yourself. I hope you find a couple every day, man.

My Stepmother is an Alien! I sawr her pop the caps on the ol die-hard and drink it man!

Juggler....I've never figured out who you are. That being said, thank you for the good words. For awhile, I got away with murder. Then, I got old.

DAMMIT!

You gotta grow up sometime, I guess!

All the best to you too, my friend!!

S.L.

"there is no particular reason anyone would look closer at this planet."

WT*? Intelligent life elsewhere would make a BEELINE to this planet. The Earth is one of those RARE planets in the right temperate zone of the solar system and of the right size to support life, let alone intelligent life. (Then there is the matter of having a stable Sun -- another post)

Of the 200+ odd stars we've discovered having planets circling them, NONE have a planet meeting the life criteria. Take a couple courses in exobiology before answering any more questions Sgt. Okie.

http://www.medicalglossary.org/biology_exobiology_definitions.html

200 stars out of several billion, and your assuming "life" only exists in the form we know.

No way no how.....
Those who don't believe that their is some form of life out there but us are kidding themselves.

Okie sez: "and your assuming "life" only exists in the form we know."

No, I'm not. Life forms can be carbon based, silicone based, or some other currently unimaginable form.

But you're diverting from the argument on the table which is other life forms WILL make a beeline to this planet, regardless of form.

ps: you're also a bit off about the total number of stars too. There are about 300 billion in our galaxy, not "several" billion. In the known universe, there are 70 sextillion stars (or thats 10 followed by 22 zeros times 7.)

Does anyone even know where the edge of the universe is? Where does it end? Does it? Is there life beyond?