Happened in my area. Sickening. And what's sad is that some bleeding heart attorney will try to get the perps off.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10130064

Now before you start in with the left wing bull that they are innocent until proven guilty and the rest of it, trial and sentencing are only a formality in this case. They grabbed the guilty parties with bats in hand at the scene.

I for one am fed up with a court system that lets idiots go free on technicalities. I don't for a minute believe the framers of the constitution believed there should be a pathway for the guilty to get away with their crimes. I believe they only intended for the innocent to have every opportunity to prove their innocence.

Once we get rid of the "innocent until proven guilty" aspect of our court system, then you open up our legal system for abuse. Even the SOBs who seem obviously guilty of heinous crimes should be afforded fair trials. It should not be for other people to decide. You, for example, are relying on media reports to make your decision. What if there's more to the story than you know? What if the media report isn't quite accurate? That's why we need a court system to vet all of these things. And then we have the same standard for everyone.

Andrew

NM.....What I had posted was a little harsh!

Edited Out

And said proof runs through due process.

It's either a part of our system, or it isn't. And it either applies to everyone, or it doesn't.

There is no discussion on this.

Having said that, I think these guys will go down easy.

As for the technicalities, I don't like them either. However, if I were a member of law enforcement, I think having that to deal with would prove to be a solid incentive to have my act together at all times, when serving to enforce the law.

This is also why we need to really invest in these people to make sure they are as solid as they can be, competent and have little to no incentive to circumvent the process. We do this for our own good, as well as theirs.

Failure to do that could have very serious consequenses. Also, failure to have that check on the ethics of our law enforcement people, means being forced to trust them. (nobody should be forced to trust someone with power over them, period.)

Your latter statement is solid. Your former has an issue:

namely, judgement happens via the process, not before. Said judgement also happens by ones peers.

This is why we have due process in the first place!

If you value your latter statement, then you must also realize the process is necessary, otherwise the innocent will not have every opportunity to prove themselves, now will they?

Hope they get nailed hard!

Edit: Darktemper has a really great point. Say something stupid happens and they get off somehow. Well, there is revenge and the option for law enforcement to make "another mistake". The system is far more robust than you give it credit for.

When "Innocent until proven guilty" is selectively applied, that starts a mighty slippery slope. No thanks. I prefer that the police stick to their rules of engagement, and that ALL persons arrested receive a fair trial NO MATTER WHAT. This is a basic American right.

And how funny that the very people that worship the soldiers and troops and think this is the best country in the world blah blah blah with their chest thumping, are the very ones advocating the removal of our American rights. Sickening!!

I'm as pro-due process and right to a fair trial as the next person.

That said ...

this case does seem pretty cut and dry. If the facts come out in court that these transgressions DID occur, and are found guilty ... throw the book at these a-holes.

I have stated all along that many aspects of the criminal justice system in this country are way too liberal. I also personally will NOT wait for "justice to be served" if someone kills or especially sexually assaults my wife or children.

I will find the person who did it and rectify the cituation myself, and make darned sure that there is ZERO CHANCE THAT PERSON DOES THAT TO ANY ONE EVER AGAIN.

I have no problem with due process. I DO have a problem with a slap on the wrist.

This should be a pretty easy case if the cops don't screw it up. Eye witnesses all over the place. Accused grabbed leaving the area.

It seems to me that victims DNA on the bats along with the fingerprints of the perps would be the final puzzle piece.

It's obvious that the individuals doing this should never see the light of day again.

Fortunately, in Nebraska we don't have many liberal judges, few liberal jury members and a preference for law and order. There are some advantages to living in a red state.

dj sez: "Fortunately, in Nebraska we don't have many liberal judges, few liberal jury members and a preference for law and order. There are some advantages to living in a red state."

121 prisoners on death row (and counting) have been cleared from their crime by DNA testing. This is why people who call "innocent until proven guilty" 'BULL' are kept off juries, tossed out of law enforcement and are laughed at in forums.

Everybody gets due process and a hardworking lawyer, otherwise we'd be Iran.

Contrary to DJ's opinion, I don't think there is any state that doesn't have a "preference" for law and order.

One of the arrested individuals is 17, apparently a minor. If Nebraskans didn't lower a minor's age limit, someone MAY be seeing the light of day again.

If found guilty after due process, locking the other one up for life may be ok with me.

Oh, this isn't about Jena-6? Ne'ermind.