What do you guys think of ol' Fred Thompson???
I LOVE his continual talk about making Government smaller (Unlike DUHbya and Co.) and letting the states make most decisions in America. He get's a little neo-CON when talking about some issues but all in all I like what he says.

I think he's very pro corporate. Also think he's not really gonna change things up all that much.

If you want change, Fred is not your guy.

At least he isn't what I call a neo-CONer.
At least right now....
We'll see when he does his FAUXNews run what happens there. Specially with Insannity asking his set of dumbass questions!!!!

The comparisons to Reagan are IMHO over-blown. Reagan had much more political experience and frankly, a much more charming presentation than Thompson has. This will be a tough road for Fred, and may help the dems by dividing up the GOP. (Saw his Leno appearence last night, and frankly, was not all that impressed.

If you like Bush policy, vote for Fred Thompson. More of the same.

No candidate should be compared to a sitting President. That's shallow thinking. The new candidates are their own people. They might be better, they might be worse.

One should look at the persons philosophy and record of previous actions to get a glimpse of how they might think and where they might want to lead the country.

We will, of course, have to begin a lengthy series of jabs on this forum at any Republicans who are running. It just goes with the socialist nature of many of the members here. You know, the me first crowd, the what's the government going to give me today crowd. Let it begin.

I like Mr. Thompson.

Anyone who's tough on terror and border security has a lot of gravitas, in my book.

However, I'm not too sure about Mr. Thompson's pro-life credentials.

For now, I remain a Mike Huckabee guy.

Herb

No candidate should be compared to a sitting President?

And what if the results of the look at philosophy, record, etc... end up pointing to a potential behavior that is closely aligned with our sitting President?

Would that not then be a valid comparison?

I sure think so.

Really then, this statement is a pure position play, aimed at making sure everyone focuses on the fact that Thompson is just different than the current clown. Well, there is no value add in that.

Why?

Because everybody is different, so it means nothing. And it's a solid appeal to those looking for change. Again, no matter what happens we are gonna get change, no value add.

What is worth some discussion is where the two have things in common. Thompsons voting record clearly indicates he's gonna deliver more of the same policy decisions.

This, of course, means Vitalogy is spot on.

Nice try Deane. In fact, I think it's a damn good try! Tricky, common sense kind of appeal.

People should pay you for that.

Since Hillary will be the Democratic candidate, you'll have your choice of voting for rampant, full throttle socialism, higher taxes on ALL incomes, bigger government, etc., or you'll be able to choose a moderate conservative who will be for smaller government, less taxes, less government intrusion in your life. Take you pick.

Have fun.

I ain't voting for her, I just don't trust her. That's it, I just don't trust her to do what's right for this country and not her own best self interests.

Do you really think it will be Hilary? How do you know?

I don't think palying the "First Woman President" card will get the needed votes to put her in office and if two Dem's run that will just weaken the party and give the republican's a shot at it. I'm having a hard time with the choices so far. I'm just gonna wait until they are actually campaigning before I start worrying about who to vote for. That said, I still will not vore for her if she runs, even if Bush was the only other choice. I trust him more than her!

>>>Do you really think it will be Hilary? How do you know?"

Fair question. Let me answer by asking a question. Who do you think has a chance at the nomination against her? I don't see anyone on the horizon.

nobody wants to have a lady for a president me and DT are probably going to vote for bush again becuase we were just talking about this. we dont trust hillary she is just evil.

"you'll have your choice of voting for rampant, full throttle socialism, higher taxes on ALL incomes, bigger government, etc., or you'll be able to choose a moderate conservative who will be for smaller government, less taxes, less government intrusion in your life. Take you pick."

Spare me.

Take your pick is right: More of the same crap we have now, or a different direction. And, the only people that will be paying more taxes are the ones that SHOULD be paying, the richest 10%. And nobody's grown government bigger than the current fool.

>>>"the only people that will be paying more taxes are the ones that SHOULD be paying, the richest 10%."

Vitalogy, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'll make you a good deal on. Wanna talk? You sound like a guy who'd go for it.

Deane- I know you're not a huge fan of our current President, and you're feeling is the GOP is going to lose the Whitehouse.

Of the Dems in the run for President who do you think would be the best choice?

>>>"Of the Dems in the run for President who do you think would be the best choice?"

Probably Joe Biden has the most experience and is the most practical. I'm not the least bit bothered by his racial remarks or his plagerism in years gone by.

Obama is certainly a potential rising star, but he's too young and inexperienced to be leader of the free world. Can you see him standing up to Putin?

Hillary is plenty smart, but treacherous, devious and a radical socialist. Anyone who doesn't think their taxes will go up has there head so far up their rear they need daylight pumped to it.

Deane said: Hillary is plenty smart, but treacherous, devious and a radical socialist. Anyone who doesn't think their taxes will go up has there head so far up their rear they need daylight pumped to it.

Refer to the following: http://www.gambino.com/funstuff/obvious.htm

Deane, you have no evidence whatsoever that taxes will go up for everyone if Hillary is elected. In fact, I'm going to call you out right now and say that you are lying by saying that. None of the candidates will be raising taxes for everyone. However, if you make more than $200K per year, a Dem will raise your taxes, as they should be, as the Bush tax cuts have been a disaster for our country and financed off the backs of the average Joe.

Now, when I look at my crystal ball, every year that we have budget deficits means a future tax increase for everyone down the road. What's charged today gets paid tomorrow with interest. So if you're truly concerned about tax increases for everyone, you'll see to it that something is done about the deficits the GOP "says don't matter". In all the debates I've seen so far, all the candidates seem to talk about is increasing spending for the military and decreasing taxes. In only 7 years, Bush and the GOP have nearly doubled our national deficit. I don't trust that moving forward they will do anything about it.

And as far as Obama being too young and inexperienced, PUHLEESE!!! If Bush can be president, any of the current candidates on either side certainly could do the job, and probably do it better.

Vitalogy, just wait and see if your taxes don't go up if Hillary is elected.

By the way, I don't call you a liar when your opinions differ from mine.

>>>"And as far as Obama being too young and inexperienced, PUHLEESE!!! If Bush can be president, any of the current candidates on either side certainly could do the job, and probably do it better."

Here you are, back using Bush as your standard of excellence. I'm going to set my sites a little higher than you are I guess.

They are going up anyway.

The Iraq cluster fuck has got to be paid for.

DJ...
How do YOU purpose Iraq is paid for??

>>>"How do YOU purpose Iraq is paid for??"

Since Iraq is sitting on oil reserves that rival any countries in the world, I propose we start pumping it and sell it to pay for the services we are providing at the present time. When the Iraqis get their heads out of their collective asses and take over the job, they can stop paying us to do it. Seems simple to me, but I'm sure the libs will have some negative view on it.

Oh, so we shift the stealing from our ordinary Americans, to the Iraqis?

Nice plan that is.

Too bad, the law we are asking for hands that task to the multi-nationals, who don't pay all that many taxes.

"Since Iraq is sitting on oil reserves that rival any countries in the world, I propose we start pumping it and sell it to pay for the services we are providing at the present time."

Touche, Deane.

And if they don't like that, we can leave.

Herb

>>>"Oh, so we shift the stealing from our ordinary Americans, to the Iraqis?"

Piss and moan, piss and moan. Do you libs ever get tired of that or is it just natural?

One of the things that has dragged the Iraqi situation on so long is that Bush has made the serious error over the many months of the action of trying to coddle the liberals politically by holding the generals back instead of letting the generals go in and get the job done in the first place. Even radical liberal Geraldo Rivera takes that position.

Hey...i'm fine with that....Let the Dog's-o-War out! Get this damn thing done and come home! Either stay and do the job that needs to be done how it needs to be done or get our people out of harm's way!

I love Fred. He is the perfect candidate. He spent a lot of time in Hollywood and got an Emmy. He has spent a little time in public service and deserves another Emmy for his current character: Your fearless leader. Um, yeah. Where? To the buffet? Or -- watch out ladies -- your chambers? Wanna wheeze for the cameras through some one on one hoops with ol' Al Gore?

The great thing about Fred is that he makes Al Gore look young, handsome and proportionate. He also makes Al seem really really interesting and colorful. Al Gore also spent a little time in Hollywood and with his very first movie, he won an Oscar. He has spent a lot of time in public service and deserves to sit in the Oval Office when he wins - again.

Fred could be very amusing, but he could not be elected legitimately in 2008. He is proof positive that the GOP is reaching to the very bottom of the barrel of conservatives and finding very little to offer except grumpy old men. Without some serious force of farce, the next President will not be a Republican.

"I propose we start pumping it"

Geez, I already made this suggestion a few months back.

Perhaps the Prez has realized he had no luck finding oil in Texas so he's quite sure he isn't gonna find any in Iraq.

"One of the things that has dragged the Iraqi situation..."

Uh, the thing that has dragged this out is that we shouldn't be there to begin with, and every move Bush has made is an escalating attempt to save face that continues to get worse.

Deane_johnson:
We will, of course, have to begin a lengthy series of jabs on this forum at any Republicans who are running. It just goes with the socialist nature of many of the members here. You know, the me first crowd, the what's the government going to give me today crowd. Let it begin.

As you wish. This guy is the Cuomo of the Republians, may run, may not, guess I'll run.

He's had HOW many sexual affairs AND divorces and now we will have to listen to you and Herb go on and on about his "family values" for the next year. Trust me, when you do I will bring this up.

DJ said>>>
Piss and moan, piss and moan. Do you libs ever get tired of that or is it just natural?

They learned it from YOU EXTREMEIES back when you spent 7 1/2 years pissing and moaning about Slick Willy.
JHC YOU EXTREMEIES have short term memories

Oh no Deane. It's not natural. In fact, when the nation is running fairly well, I'm more than happy to just let politics be politics. Far easier to just be informed, have the occasional solid discussion, and far fewer major worries.

That all changed in 2000.

An asshole was selected.

Things have gone downhill from there. So, I can either "grow tired" and just deal with the stench, or I can speak and perhaps improve my lot.

I'm gonna speak, largely because the "fuck up America First" neo-conservative, fascists have made it perfectly clear they won't rest until it's one nation, one faith, one party.

If enough of us speak, such that those asses look like the asses they are, a high percentage of the time, then enough people will remain somewhat American, and that's enough to effect the necessary change we need sooner rather than later.

If anybody supports the GOP right now, they either have pet issues, they value more than anything else, or are profoundly ignorant.

The rest of us need daily reminders of who we really are, what we really stand for, and how hosed we currently are. They need this so they cannot just turn their heads hoping for the best, they need this for their kids, they need it for the 20 something percent of us, who would otherwise run us into the ground, rather than exercise even a modicum of plain and simple human tolerance for their fellow Americans.

Really Deane, I can't rest.

Tried it, but foul things keep happening. Things foul enough to just not avoid all that easily --at least that's true for me, or I simply must surrender my self respect.

(and there is no reason to do that)

We've actually got people walking around excited at the idea of "Law and Order" Fred "god, where is my drink and lazy boy chair" Thompson, being our President! It's simply amazing to me, and more than a bit scary too.

The idea that we've got enough sorry people, living in such a profound state of denial, gives me cause to daily consider whether or not we are not already completely and totally hosed and just living on borrowed time.

The only member of the GOP field, worth any serious consideration, is Ron Paul, and even he has plenty of issues. Honestly, it's enough of an over correction, that I seriously think it would do this nation some real good to actually have to tow the line on the values we are supposed to live by.

Ron Paul would make that happen and I think we would all be more than a bit shocked at the result.

We would deserve that, just as we deserve the spanking we are getting right now, after allowing Bush a second bite at the apple in 2004.

Funny too. I've noted another interesting stat.

Of the people, who seriously support the GOP, a clear majority of them are either old (meaning they are largely not gonna be impacted, or if they are, they think they are going home anyway), or they are young and foolish. (meaning, they don't yet understand the greater dynamics and have not yet had enough life experience to really relate to the average Joe and Jane American.

The rest of us, by and large, are either stupid (and that's most of the 20 something percent), or realize we are totally screwed, in the primes of our lives, having to pay for greed, folly and bigotry, instead of building for our kids, living our lives, and generally improving as we otherwise would.

Oh yeah, go read the oil law we are trying so hard to get established.

Our national treasury will get almost NOTHING from the Iraqi oil.

Read it again, NOTHING.

THE OIL WILL NOT PAY FOR THE WAR.

WE ARE PAYING TO ESTABLISH CONTROL, not PROFIT FROM THE SPOILS. SAID PROFIT GOES TO MULTI-NATIONAL OIL COMPANIES, not JOE AND JANE AMERICAN.

If you are gonna try and slam me, at least quote the whole damn rant, and not just some part that makes you feel better Deane.

NOTHING the neo-CONers do profit Americans! Never have NEVER wil!

"...now we will have to listen to you and Herb go on and on about his "family values" for the next year."

No, I said that I like Mr. Thompson's positions on terror and the border. Nothing about family values. In fact, I even underscored that Huckabee is my guy for the time being.

Gee. Trash N' Bash all you want, but are you really that afraid of the guy? Me thinks thou doth protesteth too much.

Herb

The upside to a Thompson presidency is that if the going gets tough, he'll just quit.

With it's abysmal ratings, it's amazing that nobody cancels the "Bushie" show, or at least put it on hiatus.

I dunno . . . FOX is getting a lot of mileage out of The Bushie Show.

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/fred-thompson1.jpg

He might tip over!

Good grief! Doesn't Fred know that he shouldn't leave the house without makeup?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296039,00.html

I don't see a lot of difference in core policy and ideology here.

Comparison above, valid.

>>>"If you are gonna try and slam me, at least quote the whole damn rant, and not just some part that makes you feel better Deane."

Do you actually think that's possible? Have you looked at the length of one of those rants?

@Skep,

He's a Klingon!

I'd recommend Botox and an eye lift in addition to the makeup. Damn scary!

"Do you actually think that's possible? Have you looked at the length of one of those rants?"

"Bumper sticker speak" is much more your style, Eh?

Well that particular one was only 3 sentences. The point was Deane often cherry picks to fit the bumper sticker stuff.

"He's a Klingon" Ha! That's funny. Must be a retired one though. No real Klingon would be caught dead looking like that.

Wait a minute.

Liberals here are trashing a candidate based upon his looks. No wonder you're not taken seriously.

That means one of three things. You're either incredibly shallow, ridiculously vicious, or are terrified of the guy and have no argument.

Herb

Or it means a fourth thing:

He really does look like a Klingon! Yep! You're right! I might be "terrified" if I ran into him on the street!

And I think you're "incredibly shallow" if you think that's actual "trashing" of a candidate.

And does anyone here, of any party affiliation, honestly think Fred has a "serious" shot at anything?

Plus, you can't argue the fact that "looks matter"! You, of all trolls should well remember Kennedy vs. Nixon's TV debate.

Lighten up. It was a joke, Mr. Hummerless Ham Fist.

Herb said>>>>
Liberals here are trashing a candidate based upon his looks. No wonder you're not taken seriously.

But yet EXTREME RIGHT radio talks about how Hillary looks and that Edwards is a foggot.

Keep it up Herr Herb. YOUR EXTREME views will push you into a very small minority. America isn't buying your BS anymore....

@Mrs M. Killing me!

He does look like a Klingon.

Herb, we are taken seriously. It's just that 23 percent that's not serious. They won't ever be, as any out, is a good out.

Call them the "Any Excuse Works" crowd.

The majority of Americans are engaged in the debate, just as they should be.

Terrified of Fred "Where's my Lazy Boy" Thompson?

No way man. He's an excellent pick. If he's actually a serious contender, then it does not look good for the GOP at all! What a crappy field of choices, and they've still gotta figure out how to hide the President!

Add up the meagre dollars being collected right now, scandals up the arse, and a very unpopular war, and it's just gonna be brutal.

(I would get a cup, because you know it's coming! Right in the sack --hard!)

Ok.

The next time someone calls Mrs. Clinton 'Her Royal Thighness,' or mocks the appearance of some other democrat, we'll see how much you like it.

Glad to see you leftists will finally be consistent about something.

Commie on, fellow travelers-

Herb

Well, well, Mr. HerrBocrite, you just set the bar for yourself. If you say ONE negative word about a candidate's appearance, we'll be sure to remind you of your post here.

Are you 100% positive that you've NEVER mentioned a candidate's demeanor or appearance in a negative light?

And HRThighness? That's kind of funny.

Hillary Clinton was riding in her limousine through a rural area when an old cow loomed in front of the car. He swerved to avoid it but failed and the aged bovine was struck and killed.
She told him to go to the nearby farmhouse and explain to its owners what had happened while she sat in the car on her cell phone.
An hour later, her driver staggered back to the car, his clothes in disarray, a nearly-empty bottle of wine in one hand, a big Cuban cigar in his mouth, and a big smile on his lipstick-smeared face.
"What in the hell happened?" asked Hillary. He replied sheepishly, "The farmer gave me the cigar, his wife gave me the wine, and their beautiful twin daughters made passionate love to me for the past hour!"
"What? Why? My God, man, what did you tell them?" she asked.
He replied, "I just said 'I'm Hillary Clinton's driver and I've just killed the old cow!' And the rest just happened!"

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BTW....That was funny Herb....Her Royal Thighness!!!!! HA Good One Man!!!

Her Royal Thighness is just as great as Fred "Klingon" Thompson.

Didn't FOX recently run a piece claiming Thompson was virile? Then we see that photo a week later?

Sorry, but that's funny. It's really funny, given it's supposed to be a selling point! (Would be far better to actually sell on the real sellers, not some made up ego stroke thing.) Good grief, with Thompson, that's not a fight even worth starting.

If anybody has a problem with that, it's Thompson, or his managers, clearly worried enough about it to try and play silly games about it.

Heck, look at Ron "My forehead is just huge --just look at it dammit!" Paul. Reminds me of some fire and brimstone "Children of the Corn" preacher.

And then we've got W, the chimp, John "Slick" Edwards, "I feel like a natural woman" Guilanni, and it goes on and on.

None of it really matters, does it?

This kind of thing applies to anybody. Comes with being a public figure. I'm no problem admitting I think this stuff. I think it the same for them as I do the freak show at Wal*Mart. BFD!

Lighten up guys. It's just funny, that's it.

I just learned tonight that Fred Thompson's current wife is 24 years younger than he is. Another family values republican rockin' the cradle!

SO.