Venue for OPB event criticized

Ira Glass is coming.

Whether there's a huge turnout for the voice of "This American Life" on Oct. 7 is -- well, given this is Portland -- being debated.

Glass' $28-a-ticket speaking engagement, sponsored by Oregon Public Broadcasting, is scheduled for 7 p.m. at New Hope Community Church in Clackamas, which has been prominent in anti-gay campaigns.
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The association of Glass and New Hope is a sore point with some Portland bloggers and others, who are grumbling about the venue choice.

However, it appears Oregon Public Broadcasting is sticking with the site.

Tom Doggett, vice president for OPB television programming, confirmed Wednesday evening that Glass still is scheduled to speak at New Hope.

Doggett cited Oregon Public Broadcasting's September Member Guide, which was mailed last week. For tickets, go to www.opb.org.

"So, if it's still up on the Web site," Doggett said, "I suppose that we're still expecting that he's coming."

Curiously, the Web site doesn't specify where he is appearing.

-- Wade Nkrumah

OPB has always been a tad left.

Maybe they're turning over a new leaf and less hostile to conservatives.

Herb

Yes, you might say they are trying to get into bed with the conservatives, who I doubt would want to turn their backs to them while they are under the covers.

And being less hostile to conservatives naturally means being more hostile to gays.

Who's the hostile one here?

Just as you have a right to boycott, for now, Americans have the freedom to assemble. And given the overwhelming passage of Defense of Marriage laws throughout the nation, the left is solidly in the minority on this one.

Herb

Doubly interesting ... because Ira Glass himself is out of the closet.

I guess "hate the sin, not the sinner" goes both ways.

Maybe New Hope Church is turning over a new leaf and being less hostile to gays.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Their view is likely 'love the sinner, hate the sin.'

Herb

I like the philosophy of Will Rogers. I never met a man (or a woman) I did not like, so I do love neo-cons, but hate their sins.

That's the ticket.
Neo-cons likely need love, too.

Herb

Accept people for "Who" they are....not "What" they are.

New Hope Church, along with all the other big box churches, are filled with brainwashed idiots.

Evidence for your smarmy, ham-fisted and ad hominem attack, please?

Herb

Not all are idiots, but they are all brainwashed by folks who pervert the beliefs of God, who truly does accept everyone for what they are.

The evidence is in the audience.

"God, who truly does accept everyone for what they are."

Wait a minute. God accepts everyone for what they are? What does that even mean? And from whence comes such an opinion?

Let's set Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot aside for the moment and start with someone like an adulterer, or a bank robber, or someone who lies, or perhaps cheats on their taxes, or steals a few pens from their employer. How does that relate to God's acceptance? God accepts everyone, right? Or are there conditions? If so, what are they and where do they come from? Or does anything go?

Herb

"The evidence is in the audience."

Oh, you mean the vast majority of Bible-believing audiences who give to charitable causes like their house of worship, which feed the poor, provide clothes to widows and orphans, support the blind and build wells...all for people that they will never meet in their lifetimes?

Herb

All that is providing god exists as you believe him too. Unfortunately, you have no proof, as does anyone else the god exists, and exists in the model you believe.

Design proves a designer.
To say the marvels of this earth and solar system 'just happened' and by chance, no less, is to place FAR more faith in the THEORY of evolution than anyone who believes in a Creator.

This once again illustrates the pretzel-like gymnastics the left will go to in order to deny a Creator. In their scheme, as long as God is out of the picture, puny man can attempt to make himself God.

Herb

I see it this way.

There might be a god, might not, might be more than one, etc...

Any creator, unwilling to accept it's own creation is not worthy period, end of story.

On this question then, existence is moot. Does not matter. If there is a god, then we are accepted. If not, then no worries!

I think that's why they call it Faith.

God is like a commanding general, if your a private, you may never see him. But you feel his presence. He hands down certain rules he expects you to folow. If you follow them, your life goes on as normal, if you dont follow them, you can expect serious reprecusions.

Nwokie writes:
God is like a commanding general, if your a private, you may never see him. But you feel his presence. He hands down certain rules he expects you to folow. If you follow them, your life goes on as normal, if you dont follow them, you can expect serious reprecusions.

So you think that people whose lives are going on as "normal" are following God's rules and those who experience "serious reprecusions" have not followed them?

Andrew

LOL.

Good one, Nwokie. But hey, if that's what works for you, that's great. You can at least understand why many people of your own faith do not see it that way, right?

"Wait a minute. God accepts everyone for what they are? What does that even mean? And from whence comes such an opinion?"

"Let's set Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot aside for the moment and start with someone like an adulterer, or a bank robber, or someone who lies, or perhaps cheats on their taxes, or steals a few pens from their employer. How does that relate to God's acceptance? God accepts everyone, right? Or are there conditions? If so, what are they and where do they come from? Or does anything go?"


Herb, God created Hilter, etc. The trick comes that to get his full acceptance you must first accept him. If Hitler accepted God just before he died, then he is in Heaven.

If a gay accepts God, God accepts him. It is as simple as that.

But back to boycotting OPB.

No.

I see New Hope Church as making a compromise in this situation. Same with OPB. They met in the middle. It's fair. ( That is, assuming there was even any discussion on this kind of level ).

Oh and, heh, yeah - I am not boycotting OPB for another reason. It wouldn't work on any level. How would I boycott it? Continue to NOT give? Put my fingers in my ears when surfing channels? Don't buy a coffee mug with OPB logos?

Of course, it could be that the whole point of it is lost on everyone. Mind you, this is straight from the department of speculation, but have you really just taken a deep breath and thought about it?

Ira Glass is brilliant. This American Life paints the greatest candid portraits of America on the radio since Will Rogers. The show is rooted in the idea of exposing us to one another in totally different ways. So, are the gears turning yet?

If this was part of the plan, giving a group of folks who would never set foot in that church an evening in the sanctuary is a stroke of genius. It gives people a rare glimpse into the inner sanctum of a leviathan facility dedicated to pseudo spirituality.

What is wrong with bringing some rare truth to that pulpit? Just a thought...

I have a simple idea in my simple mind.

If you want love
You've got to give a little

If you want faith
You just believe a little

If you want peace
Turn your cheek a little

You've got to give
You've got to give to live

An empty hand reaching out for someone
An empty heart takes so little to fill
It's so much easier to push instead of pull
Don't give up

Each man's a country in his own right
Oh ev'rybody needs a friend
One friend one God one country

I believe in faith and destination
But so much of that lies in our own hands

That brought a tear to my one good eye!

You should here it when Sammy Hagar sings it! From "I Never Said Goodbye" CD

"Give To Live" is in my top ten favorites!



Full Lyrics:

GIVE TO LIVE
Sammy Hagar

Ooo I can see that you've got fire in your eyes
And pain inside your heart
So many things have come
And torn your world apart
Oh baby, baby, baby
Don't give up
Don't give up
Don't give up

If you want love
If you want love
You've got to give a little
If you want love
If you want faith
You just believe a little
If you want love
If you want peace
Turn your cheek a little
Oh you've got to give
You've got to give
You've got to give to live

An empty hand reaching out for someone
An empty heart takes so little to fill
It's so much easier to push instead of pull
Oh baby, baby, baby
Don't give up
Don't give up
Don't give up

If you want love
If you want love
You've got to give a little
If you want love
If you want faith
You just believe a little
If you want love
If you want peace
Turn your cheek a little
Oh you've got to give
You've got to give
You've got to give to live

Each man's a country in his own right
Oh ev'rybody needs a friend
One friend one God one country
No man can defend
Yeah

I believe in faith and destination
But so much of that lies in our own hands
But if you know what you want
Just go on out and get it
Oh baby, baby just don't give up no, no
Ah don't give up, yeah, yeah

"Design proves a designer."

That's open to interpretation. I'm not necesarily denying a creator, but I'm certainly not naive enough to believe you or any other person on earth is even remotely close in YOUR interpretation. Your twisted brand of faith does not have the patent on absolute truth, as does anyone elses.

"Evidence for your smarmy, ham-fisted and ad hominem attack, please?"

Hey Herrbocrite, aren't we all waiting for the same thing from you on another thread?

Put up or shut up, Mr. Pot E. Kettle.

"The evidence is in the audience."

for example: wayne.

Ouch.

I was afraid that would have to be said.

LA LA LA LA LA....I CAN'T HEAR YOU......LA LA LA LA!

What?

Littlesongs, I like your view. Maybe it's true!

Herb said>>>>>Just as you have a right to boycott, for now.

Is YOUR Fascism going to make it otherwise???

The venue is in the midst of being changed.

As to you Herb, wasn't the defense of marriage act one of the things that Senator Larry Craig was behind, or in front of, I'm really not sure what Senator Craig's position is on this subject, for all I know he's just stalling on the subject.

Owwwww, I just hurt myself laughing at you guys.

I'm sure Senator-not-for-long is on top of the "situation".

His wife is probably abreast of it.