If a format change is coming up, which web site address do you like?

http://www.kool1059.com/
http://www.koolportland.com
http://www.portlandkool.com/

Just to add fuel to the fire, their HD refused to lock in tonight. The display kept going between KIJZ HD and 105.9 with the HD indicator blinking on and off! If they're going Oldies, it shouldn't be Kool but rather, KISN! They DO own the calls. They could even ID as "KISN Vancouver"!

Apparently, 105.9's new call letters will be KPKL. Why would CC want to go up against K-Hits 106-7?

Maybe CC is will use the Kool moniker for something other than oldies, as they do with "Kiss" in San Francisco -- Urban AC/Classic Soul instead of the usual CHR/Pop.

There is a possibility of going to traditional Oldies as a placekeeper while waiting to change to something else like KEX-FM.

I don't see KEX-FM happening, as long as Bonneville isn't the owner.

Unless something drastic happens, the AM dial has about 5 years left before the fertilizer strikes the ventilator.

If they are going oldies, why do they have an ad running right now looking for bi-lingual air personalities?

Its Called La Preciosa or Mega. That is what they will change to.

Its Called La Preciosa or Mega. That is what they will change to.

i didn't know SMOOTH JAZZ was changing formats...when was this announced?

If 105.9 is changing it will become La Preciosa.

This is just a guessing game. See top of thread.

True, But the HD is still down, I see a "Carrier to Noise Ratio" of 60-65 dB but the "Bit Error Rate" comes up as invalid. The HD transmitter is on, but transmitting random junk.

"La Preciosa" and "Mega" sound like monikers for a Spanish CHR/Pop station, rather than Regional Mexican. Given that Regional Mexican is the only Spanish format that has ever pulled strong ratings here, why would they take this kind of a gamble?

In my opinion, it is too bad that if they go KOOL instead, it won't be like Santa Fe's KLBU ( http://www.blu1029.com/ ).

La Preciosa is Spanish Oldies/Spanish Hits
http://www.lapreciosa.com/ then pick your market. Its all satellite. Nothing local.


while Mega is their Hurban format, don't think they would use it since they have 100.3 that does some Hip-hop already.

I'm just guessing, but I'd say regional Mexican was done on stations here in part because they were on the AM band -- which would have a harder time capturing young listeners, regardless of ethnicity.

The Hispanic population has a much younger median age than the anglo or Black populations. It makes absolute sense that the 2nd FM Hispanic station in a market would target 12-30, if the 1st FM Hispanic station had already targeted 25-49.

And an Hispanic CHR would do more damage to Jammin' than to Z, making it a double win for CC (if in fact they are planning to flip smooth jazz).

Yes, but Terry, While It would hurt Jammin, it would also hurt Z100. Clear Channel wouldn't want to risk taking away listeners from Z100, as few as there may be. On another note, Isin't it way over due for Z100 to fire the airstaff and become "the all new Z100"???

HD is fixed. Thank you!

One shuts it down and another brings it back to life....

Beano: I'm just not sure. I'd have to see an ARB duplication analysis for a few markets, to see what the sharing looks like for Pop/CHR and Spanish language CHR. "Young Hispanic" may still be the biggest and best format hole in Portland, with the best long term future.

It's a question of "When" not "If" for young Hispanic FM, and undoubtedly the first one in will win for at least the short and medium term.

Spanish CHR is does ok with revs in markets the size of LA, Houston, Denver, San Diego where the Hispanic is very large and large enough to support it with a advertising base. Here in PDX not till the market gets about 500,000+ Hispanics or a percentage of 28+ of the population.

I'm not betting anything on what 105.9 will flip to. However, the discussion of the listening tastes of young (<25 years of age) Hispanics in the Portland does bring one question to mind: Is there as much of a demand for Spanish content amongst this demographic group as there is amongst their slightly older counterparts? If, as one poster above suggested, they are heavy consumers of Jammin 95.5/Z 100, could this be an indicator that they have become Americanized, possibly because they are or have recently attended school here? What research is available on this topic?

Why would they call it KOOL if it is going to be hispanic??

Check ARB's website, they have done a truckload of research on this, including language preferences of various demos. I didn't mean to imply that Hispanic youth are heavy users of either Jammin' or Z. I haven't seen a Pdx ARB for years. But I did opine that more probably listen to Jammin' because of its more rhythmic presentation, that would listen to Z.

KIJZ's 12+ ratings appeared to have peaked and I understand the format is getting harder to sell due to aging demos. They could certainly change. Kool is a common moniker for an Oldies station but that position is pretty well taken here. I don't expect them to be traditional Oldies unless it's temporary. Regional Mexican is the primary hispanic format and Clear Channel can outgun and outpower(new word)El Rey! The only question is whether or not they would want to. If they change, will they put Smooth Jazz on their HD2? OK, if they go Regional Mexican, here's what will happen: Smooth Jazz will move to K103's HD2 and the spanish format that's been running there will move to 105.9 HD2.

105.9 KISN Vancouver. Serving the Great Oregon Territory.

One can dream but I don't really expect it.

What about a version of Mink's "Red" format featuring old and new classics in the Sinatra/Krall/Brubeck genre? Any version of "Cool" would work for imaging.

That would be less saleable than what they already have. I don't think I'd hold out too much hope for that one.

Winnipeg has a "Smooth Jazz" station called "Cool-FM" on 99.1...not fully Smooth Jazz, it mixes light pop and modern crooners with the normal SJ selections. It ranks near the bottom of the ratings with around a 2.0-2.7 share, usually. And this is in a market with about a third of the number of stations that the PDX market has.

Maybe, CC will just modify the playlist a bit and switch to the "kool" or "cool" moniker. Who knows?

That's an interesting idea. 105.9 could go "Kool" with a more R&B-based Smooth Jazz format.

Has anyone noticed that www.kool1059.com now has text in Spanish and part of a new logo? Isn't anyone at Clear Channel aware of the fact that this site is visible to the public?

I'm sure they're aware of this. Someone over in the CC building is having some fun with us...

>>...if they go KOOL instead, it won't be like Santa Fe's KLBU...

SJ stations in a few other markets have added some "Chill" music into the existing mix and adjusted their positioners accordingly. Chill music tends to have a little more beat and can give the station a younger sound.

Could a re-launch be in the works?

>>The HD transmitter is on, but transmitting random junk.

Doesn't "Charlie" own that position in the market?

"Could a re-launch be in the works?"

I hope so. "Kool 105.9" could breathe some new life into the format.

I am surprised that no one in Portland has flipped to a Spanish CHR/Pop yet. Outside of Portland Metro, this region has become dramatically more hispanic. I was recently in Salem (hadn't been there in a few years) and was shocked at how dramatically that city's demographics have changed in a relatively short time span.

If you look on the Clear Channel website they are looking for Spanish biligual talent for Portland there is no "Kool" coming unless they are flipping more than one station. Secondly, the La Preciosa Format is a turnkey operation. Turn on the sat feed and your good to go. It does ok with 18-34 in other markets. Clear Channel like many of you know aren't innovators, they are just big. Most of the folks who run the stations don't have too much control of what goes on. Though some think that Clear Channel is really good at what they do, those who think this way are usually novices in the business. Without rehashing the massive cuts in radio that have suffered with companies like CC. Back to the subject at hand. With the sat format they won't have to worry about what to do locally other than some traffic time and temp guy who can do some production. Very low cost. Thats why it makes sense. Look in every market they have entered with the format they were never the leader. They claim that this format is a unique format when Univision radio has been doing it in LA for over 10 years.

Really looks like a change is coming...
Does it really???

http://www.kijz.com/main.html

Judging from the three websites posted at the top, there seems little question that we're days away from a big Spanish AC using the "La Preciosa" format.

There are a few things that don't seem to add up here:

1) "Countrybob" posted the URLs at the top of this page and then vanished. He never explained, nor did anyone else ask, how did he find out about their existence?

2) "KOOL" has no meaning to Spanish speakers. At best, they would associate this with a brand of Menthol cigarettes.

3) If "La Preciosa" is a turnkey satellite fed turnkey format, why are they looking for bilingual personalities?

Facts:

1) I did a WHOIS search on the domains at the top of this page and they are indeed owned by Clear Channel.

2) There is a 50,000 watt station on 105.9 MHz in the Portland, ME area. It is not owned by Clear Channel and currently broadcasts a Christian format.

I think that the most likely things happening here are that Clear Channel is camping on kool domains, most likely for use in Portland, OR. Though unlikely, I would not put it past them to be reserving the domains in the event that they decide to buy the Portland, ME 105.9 station. However, the page that we are seeing displayed on these domains might just be a template, and the Spanish text has nothing to do with the upcoming format.

my guess is they would need someone locally to voice commercials.

"Has anyone noticed that www.kool1059.com now has text in Spanish and part of a new logo? Isn't anyone at Clear Channel aware of the fact that this site is visible to the public?" If you look closely it mentions something about artist of La Preciosa.

Radio921...
Look above to Nwradio's post at 9:24 last night....

My bad...

OK, folks! This is starting to look like an obvious prank. I checked the kool1059 site, and the following text greeted me:

Hola! ;) Go Away. I am very busy right now.

There are no more logos.

According to FCC Database there is another 105.9... But this one is near the other Portland.

Conspiracy theory...

Web sites are real, but have been "uncovered" by anged radiochat website. So they pull down thevsites until format flip is ready, and leave note for the radio junkies. No listeners involved.

"anged", "thevsites"...Tdanner, is that really you? I've always respected your posts, but what the heck are you talking about?

Maybe Kijz-HD2 will become spanish? :-)

When 105.9 was Star, there was a mix1059.com (IIRC) that pointed to the Star 105.9 website, and later, Quick 106. With previous pre-sign-on call letters KKLQ, KXMX, and briefly-used KBET, there was no shortage of theories of what the format would be.

Rumor is 105.9 in Portland, Oregon will switch to a oldies based format very soon. That is all I've heard.

"Kool 105.9" could bring Rhythmic Oldies to Portland.

Sorry. Posting with glasses off from notebook is murder when you're old. Countrybob - are we being coy because La Preciosa IS an oldies based format. Rhythmic Oldies might be "perfect" for 105.9 -- since it's a format that's never been successful.

Rumor is that 105.9 will be Motown, Soul and Rock N Roll

Maybe Spanish/English CHR/Pop like Super Estrella 107.1 in L.A. http://superestrella.com/music/spanish.asp or Churchill's 101.7 KLES http://1017fmradio.com in Yakima WA. 70% Spanish, 30% English.

"Hola! ;) Go Away. I am very busy right now...Something very BIG is coming post Labor Day weekend. Will you be listening? Long live pdxradio.com!"

Looks like some text has been added eh? Countrybob I think is a CC designer. Or someone is leaking info and is paying attention to the board.

The new station will be KPKL-FM as per Radioxpert

Kool 105.9
"The Greatest Hits of All Time"

http://www.kool1059.com/cc-common/station_logos/KPKL-FM.jpg

You saw it here first. As per Mr. Web dude, look for it after Labor Day

That ass...

KOOL FM IS LIVE!!!

It's flipped.

SURPRISE! Thanks for the entertainment. It was fun playing with you!! ADIOS!

Dave,

Awesome!

Hey, just a thought, you guys may not want to leave your cc-common/station logo dir open to the public. If I had a thought last night I would have done this but didn't until just before your flip.

wow KOOL sounds pretty... competitive!

first song??

I'm really surprised that CC is taking on Dennis Constantine's 100,000 watt K-Hits 106-7. Do they know what they're going up against? The Oldies audience isn't large enough to support two stations. Of course, "Kool 105-9" will mix in a few 80's songs, but that'll only take listeners away from co-owned K103.

Kool 105.9's first song: Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band "Old Time Rock & Roll"

I am amazed. No, stunned. Almost speechless. And if this is still on the air on September 20 when the Fall book begins (and not a stunt), I will lose all respect for Tony Coles and CCPdx.

Here is the website:
http://www.kool1059.com/main.html

Some of their playlist:
RICH GIRL Daryl Hall & John Oates 3:07pm
Magic Pilot 3:04pm
Big Shot Billy Joel 3:00pm
LA BAMBA Los Lobos 2:57pm
Running on Empty Jackson Browne 2:52pm
Respect Aretha Franklin 2:45pm
Philadelphia Freedom Elton John 2:39pm
Love the One You're With Stephen Stills 2:36pm
It's Raining Men Weather Girls 2:33pm

I just heard a liner that didn't make any sense:

"Kool 105 is KIJZ"

Kool 105? KIJZ?

Jingles BURST out of the radio..Music is great.
They will pull some women from K103 and younger base from pathetic Khits. I think CC has a winner. Three (non radio) people have already called me saying they love it. Also..what have they done with compression & highs? Music & jingles-imaging is bright like the old days. They are making the moves Khits should of done.
ITS CALLED FUN& BRIGHT. And NO I'm not working there.

K-Hits has Dave McKay and Steve Lloid. How can CC compete with that?

Tom Parker, John Williams, Jim Donovan, Craig Walker.

I'm with Stoner on the production values at KOOL. Fun and bright, vs, "just following orders," MORish, unspontaneous and dull. K-HITS just does not sound like the radio that went with those tunes in the 60s and 70s. It misses the sound and the vibe. Will KOOL deliver it, who knows. However it's gonna be tough to touch K-HITS on the actual MUSIC. It's a pretty good library and they program it well, we're lucky it is so broad and inclusive.

Just my opinion of course!

Okay now we have KOOL 105.9. Does Portland needs 2 Classic Hits station? Can 2 Classic Hits station survive in Portland?

Both stations could end up with 2 shares...

They are very different

I guess I missed it by a mile. Oh well, I didn't think the Sony Walkman was a good idea when I first saw one either.

Same jingle package as Eugene's Magic 94.5, and same image voice as Kool 99.1.

I like the 60's oldies on 106.7 the most. kool sounds almost all mid-late 70's. They do need to adjust their audio processor, too much slow gain riding.

They are very different
No kidding. Heard the jingle between Boston "More Than A Feeling" and Ace "How Long" a few minutes ago. Wow. Reminds me of "ninety-seven point one-e K I S N!"

Tom Parker, John Williams, Jim Donovan, Craig Walker.
Wow, this lineup in any way confirmed?! Or just someone's 'best thoughts' post.

Unless someone knows something we don't know (or this is a "Quick 106"-style stunt)... 105-9 and 106-7 could be in one of the largest format wars since KWJJ/The Wolf vs. KUPL, due to the dial positions involved.

Place your bets on Robert Dove & Co.

Didn't "How Long (Has This Been Going On)" play just a few minutes ago? It's playing again. This sounds like something that belongs in the "Back in the days of Automated Music Radio" thread.

Okay...If they do own KISN...PLEASE bring the KISN calls back to Vancouver/Portland.

This may not be the final format for 105.9. This format might be part of a bigger stunt before they launch the real format.

I doubt it at this point. It sounds like they've done too much work and customization with jingles and two image voices to be a stunt. Jingles aren't cheap. This isn't exactly all-Louie Louie with one local voiceover they're doing.

The jingles certainly help. I think that they need to have one with a vocoded voice after the singers. Remember those jingles, where the singers would sing the call letters and then this synthesizer-sounding voice would speak the letters as the jingle ended?

The other thing that I noticed is that the segueing is extremely loose, almost like the early days of "105.9 The River." Maybe they will fix this later on.

It sounds like it's targeted about 5 years younger than K-Hits, which might not be a bad idea for the long run. I haven't heard anything pre-70s. I can't imagine paying for a jingle package if it's a stunt. That's a very pricey proposition! This will be very interesting to watch. Perhaps, Smooth Jazz will be 107.5's next format.

Tom Parker -mornings
Scott Tom - mid days
John Williams - afternoons.

???

They played some Beatles songs and some Aretha Franklin tunes today from the 60's.

I think they are sticking to the super star groups from the '60s.

Any thoughts as to what the HD2 format might flip to?

Most likely is Smooth Jazz unless it moves to K103 HD2.

Note to Matt Jones:

105.9's copy of Boston "More Than A Feeling" sounds like a very low bit-rate MP3. (There may be more low quality files in rotation, that I haven't yet heard.)

Smooth Jazz should go to 103.3 HD2, which has a stronger signal than 105.9 HD2.

Tom parker is still on KPAM from what I'm listening to. Unless they let him out of his contract he is one stuck bird.

http://www.kpam.com/programming/tom_parker.shtml

Also, Craig Walker? I like the idea, but this is all baseless right now guys.

The HD signal on 105.9 is not working. It lights up the HD indicator on my radio but it never goes into digital mode.

It looks like the same problem they were having a few days ago. I thought they got it fixed but it seems to be back. I've had KOOL on for awhile now and have heard a few 60s songs including Louie, Louie! I don't think I've heard more than a few 80s songs during the same timeframe. I'm beginning to wonder if this is a separate niche.

According to R&R today, jocks will appear on KOOL next month.

I like the presentation. The music is a little too recent for my liking, but I'm at an age where nobody cares what I like anymore so I'm not surprised and can't really argue. One of the things I noticed right off is that low level intros haven't been boosted. With a tight format you must do that. It also wouldn't hurt to tighten up some of the end-of-message markers on songs that fade. I'm sure it's a mad scramble over there and maybe those issues are on the (long) list of things to do.

So far I think KOOL's approach compliments K-Hits nicely. A clear choice between two stations with the format formerly known as oldies. I just hope that slicing an already pretty small piece of pie doesn't ruin both stations' chances for success. But maybe the idea in counter programming K-Hits isn't to win, but rather to keep K-Hits from winning.

Ron Leonard would be an excellent fit fr Kool, I think. His upbeat style, would fit nicely. After hearing a couple of the station IDs, it felt like hearing Rons delivery next, would be a fantastic transition leading into the music.

We're hearing songs that haven't been played on the radio in a long time. It's Kool that they're not playing the same 300 songs over and over. It's great.

R&R is now reporting that "Kool 105-9" will pick up the KQOL call letters, used by the old "Kool 93.1" in Las Vegas.

I like KQOL better than KPKL. My first reaction to KPLK was "K-Pickle!" I am surprised that the KOOL cigarette people don't have exclusive rights to that trademark, though.

I haven't listened a whole lot, but I've heard a ton of repeats during the time I've listened.

I wonder if the repeats are due to launching the format before the library was built. It seems like an almost universal law that whatever needs to be done must be done at the absolute last minute.

I sure hope you're right Scott.

I remember the same thing on K-Hits when that launched. Lots of repeats.

Didn't "How Long (Has This Been Going On)" play just a few minutes ago? It's playing again.
Yeah, I heard the Ace song played twice in the same hour last night, too.

Perhaps, Smooth Jazz will be 107.5's next format.
Most likely is Smooth Jazz unless it moves to K103 HD2.
What, no baseless speculations that 94-7 is going Smooth Jazz this time?!

Regarding Kool Cigarettes: Are you familiar with Big Macs? They're overalls, sold by JC Penney and were around before McDonalds' fairly well known product of the same name. It's a totally different product so apparently, it isn't an infringement. If it were, JC Penney would be rich(oh wait)! I see where you're going with this, Newflyer. Unlike past posters on this subject, it was not my intention to convince someone to change to Smooth Jazz. It is merely an observation. KVMX's current format doesn't appear to be making the inroads they were hoping for and I'm thinking Smooth Jazz has a higher share albeit older. The latter may look attractive to them. The other point referred to a particular station's disenfranchised listeners: Moving the old format to their HD2 could be seen as an act of good will. Moving it to K103's HD2 instead would be very complementary and something K103 could promote. Think of me as the Bobby Kennedy of radio: "I see things that never were and ask, why not."

Get your fix here:

http://www.the-forum.com/EPHEMERA/images2/kool2.jpg

I guess that some of these trademark subtleties like Big Mac pants vs. Big Mac burgers are why the lawyers make the big bucks! If 105.9 were to enlist a Willie the Penguin look alike and hook the Os in KOOL together, there might be trouble! They could have Willie holding a radio and the slogan, "Craving the great hits of the '60s, '70s, and '80s? Try KOOL 105.9"

Smooth jazz does best in markets with a high African-American population. And it was always highly marketed to the Anglo population via direct mail and TV. The days of "highly marketed" are dead. I don't think anyone will try smooth jazz in Portland again.

What is this "Kool 105" business? Why would they want people to confuse them with a Hot AC? What is "highly marketed" and why is it dead? Did something else replace it?

In the past, smooth jazz stations have relied on heavy TV advertising and direct mail campaigns (mailing cassettes/CDs of an hour of the station) which covered signficant portions of the female 25-44 middle & upper income demos. The advertising ran almost continuously, and the mailers generally went out once a year to key zip codes.

With consolidation, it no longer became important for smooth jazz stations to win their demo. They just had to contribute more to the cluster's bottom line than they took from it, with as little outflow and staffing as possible.

Consolidation has put an end to the "must win" mentality, and the big advertising budgets (highly marketed) that went with that thinking.

It has been replaced by a pattern of 1) new format; 2) a year to succeed by word of mouth only; and then 3) new format.

I see what you mean! I remember when KGW and KEX were battling it out for supremacy and they each had these huge mailings asking you to tune in at 7:10AM.

"It has been replaced by a pattern of 1) new format; 2) a year to succeed by word of mouth only; and then 3) new format."

Churn 'n Burn™

I'm late to this thread, but (upon Craig Adam's advice) I tuned-in to check it out.

KOOL 105.9 sounds good... damned good. They'll be a contender if the PD stays on top of the music and if they can "micro-adjust" to whatever feedback they're getting.

There's definitely an old skool soul vibe that they're tapping-into, but it's going to take a careful massaging of the that chosen format to keep it relevent.

Djfressshh can also add his 2-cents here, as it MAY be the only game in town that his opinion may be pertinent.... DJ? you're "on".

what could djfreeeeeeeesh possably add to this?

Gave it a listen this morning.

Nicely done!

Love the jingles. IMHO, the mix right now, sets some good expectations for relevancy. Pretty flexible overall. I see zero problems here, other than vetting the feedback.

My wife is gonna like this station. Home run there. I'll set her up with the stream for the poker game this evening.

And the make your playlist online, hear it on the radio is an excellent idea. Tons of possibilities there.

But, why are they running a couple of liners that say "Kool 105?" The station is "Kool 105-9!"

Because nobody cares.

(Seriously.)

The .9 is a minor detail for a growing number of people.

I bought a new JVC HD radio yesterday. Pretty cool. Speaking of cool. The HD station ID for 105.9 shows up as KQOL. I'm guessing that will be the new call sign. KQOL HD-2 is a Jazz format.

Station sounds pretty lame....

But, why are they running a couple of liners that say "Kool 105?" The station is "Kool 105-9!"
That's the only thing that gives me the second thought that we might be going for a little ride... however, my first thought is I doubt this is the only station Clear Channel has ever done (or holds the intellectual property to) that's had the nickname "Kool 105," maybe these are temporary until everything is updated with 105-9.

The .9 is a minor detail for a growing number of people.
Sure seemed like a big deal earlier this decade when the station was Star - they signed on as "Star 105-9," then later had a sweeper that went something along the lines of 'point-9 point-9 - Star 105-point-9 - POINT-9!'

I'm hearing the .9 now.

Many younger people are keyed to the branding, more than the dial position. Streaming and HD will complicate that. I think this will matter less to the up and coming generation.

Probably just jingle cleanup, in this case.

Home Run, BTW. She loves it.

Radioxpert -
Arbitron. 105 and KIJZ are most likely listed. If you say - it you can claim it. (to a degree)

Diary keepers write down KIJZ, 105, 105.9, 106, jazz, smooth jazz (and now - kool...)

This new station is awful! They are trying to take listeners away from Charlie and K-hits, but It won't work! Charlie and K-hits own the market. Remember when K-lite tried to take a dent out of k103, it failed! My guess is that Kool 105.9 is temporary.

My guess is that k103 started crapping its pants with all the publicity that k-hits is getting with Mark's New Cafe. They are attempting to steal all of k-hits listeners away from them. If I was k-hits AND Charlie, I would be running some tv advertisements right now. Im actually surprised that marks cafe is not getting more publicity in the papers ect. I think this was a foolish move on Clear Channel's part. They are trying to take on 2 established stations. Copy Cat formats never win!
On another note I think it would have been funny if 105.9 Used the Kisn call letters.

I don't know about that. My wife has been under served here for a while. This one seems to resonate where the other two just didn't.

Charlie was too random. That might be better now, but the goofy imaging back when it was introduced left a bad impression. She never went back.

Khits is ok, but lacks some more recent tunes to fill out the mix. Nice focus though.

This station appears to be similar, but just moved forward a few years. I'm not sure it competes, just adds. Depends on the shared tunes really.

What does this have to do with Charlie?

Semoochie, Charlie plays A LOT of the music that kool 1059 is playing, so they are competition for Charlie.

I would be more worried if I was K-hits because charlie skews slightly younger. So I'm thinking Kool 105.9 is more of a threat to k-hits, and If I was k-hits I wouldn't take this lightly!!!!! After listening to Kool 105.9 I think it sounds better than K-hits.
Kool 105.9 has the EXCITING jingles that brings the forward momentum and energy up, While K-hits CONTINUES TO USE THAT GEEKY VOICE GUY!!!! (Hi Im a 49 year old man and I've never been laid!!) That is EXACTLY what the geeky voice guy on K-hits sounds like. If I was in charge of K-hits, that 49 year old Virgin would no longer be the voice guy for the station. Instead I would have high ENERGY jingles!! WAKE UP K-HITS!!!!!!!!!!

If you wait around long enough, you may hear an older song on Charlie but I don't think the average K-Hits listener is willing to do so. I'm not saying they don't share audience, only that their P-1s probably aren't going there. It seems like the older songs are there for the younger people, just to show that they indeed "play everything".

Unless Arbitron has changed its editing rules, 105 would almost certainly go to 105.1, not 105.9. Kool would have to use it almost exclusively as their identifier, and 105.1 would still have a solid argument at ARB for split credit.

No sane person or group would purposely brand a station in a way that contributed to confusion in their #1 measurement of success - Arbitron. Over the past few years, diary entries have become almost exclusively exact dial positions.
(In part because the diarykeeper is ASKED to record exact dial position or call letters.)

Sidebar: CC Pdx has filed their Station Information packets with Arbitron for all the Portland stations except - no listing for KIJZ, KPKL, OR KQOL.

Thanks for that.

It really is just jingle spit 'n polish then.

I still think a growing number of people don't care, but they will, if asked to diary.

Will the PPM tech mitigate this, allowing more general branding?

The PPM will change absolutely everything about how the game is played. For the past half century, the name of the game in radio has been getting people TO WRITE DOWN that they listen to you. With the PPM, they will ACTUALLY have to listen to you.

As my friend Walt Sabo used to say, imagine how different the advertising and marketing for Preperation H would be if people had to admit using it, instead of simply using it? If they had to write it down every day in their diary? Did they use it at home? In the car? Some other place?

Almost every other product on earth has been judged by how it is sold, and/or how it is actually used. Only radio was judged on how people reported their usage.

Here's some People Meter stuff, it will really change the playing field.

Portable People Meter Looms Large Just Around the Corner

(August 27, 2007) Get ready for something explosive coming to the L.A. radio market. The upcoming introduction of the Portable People Meter (PPM), the newest technology for measuring the listening audience, is poised to have a huge impact on Arbitron ratings. The Blackberry-sized gadgets clip to a listener’s clothing, picking up an inaudible ID code from participating broadcasts. Gone is the traditional diary-based survey filled out by selected listeners. For LA, the launch date is scheduled for January 2008.

Houston and Philadelphia served as the first two PPM markets. A combined Houston / Philadelphia analysis of the key 25 – 54 demo has been conducted by a People Meter subscriber. The study raises questions about whether or not Los Angeles radio – its management and its talent – is ready for what the PPM is preparing to reveal.”)


When you compare the first PPM period in Houston and Philly with the same period a year ago under the Diary method, Rock radio share is up +46% 25 – 54 and by far the largest format benefiting from Arbitron’s survey methodology change. Locally, KROQ has owned this current Rock format for years – the station has been the #1 biller in L.A. the past two years, as well as the #1 biller in the country in 2005 and #2 in 2006. How long can KROQ continue their domination with only Indie 103.1 as competition on the pure Alternative side and no one on the Active Rock side? The category seems strong and healthy enough to have an underperforming station jump in the Rock pool? If Rock Recurrents are included, JACK/fm and KLOS would also be included in the Rock category.

Another category benefiting from the new PPM ratings is Oldies. (Which explains Portland's current Oldies battle!) The category is up +30% 25 – 54 in the Houston/Philly combined PPM analysis. This should be Jumpin’ Jack Flash music to the ears of K-EARTH executives.

The PPM ratings also showed Country went up +19%, the third largest increase revealed in the combined analysis. Here in L.A., KKGO (“Go Country”) is alone with the format. Saul Levine might have to back up a Brinks truck to his West LA building with all this good news.

CHR and AC are up +17% and +15% respectively in the same analysis.

What were the losers? The PPM technology resulted in an amazing – 57% drop in share among Spanish language stations. The next biggest drop is Talk radio at – 21%, though News/Talk stations only dropped – 6%.

If the results in Houston and Philly are precursors to what could happen in L.A., there are a number of stations that might be up for flipping. Urban driven radio Time Spent Listening (TSL) on NAC (Smooth Jazz) and Urban-type formats did not fare well at all. But CHR did well, as did Mainstream AC, Country, and Rock was through the roof. Will someone take that PPM information and use it in L.A. before the PPM arrives?


Talk radio’s formatic decline in PPM is not good news for KLSX, a station that is trying to regain its balance after losing Howard Stern almost two years ago. Could 97.1/fm consider taking the Active Rock format, as CBS Radio recently did in New York? Is this an opportunity for KLSX to flank CBS' #1 biller in L.A. at Alternative KROQ before someone else does? Then again, they might not want to compete with themselves. But as soon as you make that argument you have to acknowledge that CBS radio does compete with itself in the all-News arena at KFWB and KNX.

And what about the Urban TSL dependent stations like: V-100, HOT 92.3, KJLH, KDAY or even The Wave? Is any one of these stations likely to jump into the Active Rock hole? Maybe the stalemate at Movin’ 93.9 and KBIG turns into one or the other opting for the PPM greener Rock pastures this January? Could KDAY go Active Rock and sell the station in combo with Indie 103.1fm?

No matter what the stations decide to do between now and the end of the year, 2008 will be a very exciting year as Arbitron launches new technology to more accurately reflect the radio listening habits.

Very interesting.

Here's to better info making for better radio.

Thats true,, Radio will have to put on MORE interesting radio or people will be GONE! Im still thinking Kool 1059 is just a transition station especially after Terry Danner made this comment

"And if this is still on the air on September 20 when the Fall book begins (and not a stunt), I will lose all respect for Tony Coles and CCPdx."

I don't think Ms. Danner would say a comment like that unless she was pretty darn sure that Kool 105.9 is just a transition station. Especially since EVERYONE at Cheap Channel reads this message board!

Damn! Every time I go on vacation, another station flips and I have to wade through 135 postings to get the details! But I love the conjecture that's always at the top.

Beano I am thinking like you about it being a transition. What till mid September to see if they advertise it. From my dealings with CC they like launching large. Especially if it transitions to a Spanish format which I still think it will be. As I said earlier, the company website is looking for a bilingual (Spanish) talent for PDX. Certainly doesn't fit the "Kool" format.

Ms. Danner has no idea what Clear Channel has planned. I have absolutely zero info from my pals on the inside. And I have never had the pleasure of meeting Tony Coles (and may have blown any chance of doing so under agreeable circumstances.)

I simply find it extremely hard to believe that CC would flip to a format which targets an aging female demo when they already have both KEX and K103 doing extremely well in the 35+ female demos. K-Hits is doing a decent job in the format, and the only way to top them is if CC added a heavy roster of major local personalities on KOOL. CC has not been leaping onto the live and local bandwagon in any way shape or form. I just can't picture them doing it to be #2 in a format targeting 40+.

Pure opinion.

It sounds like the PPM will drop AM down even more. This whole AM thing is going to be very interesting and I don't see much discussion about it but the clock is definitely ticking!

I have been listening over the weekend and comparing what is being played at times with KHITS and Charlie. Overall, the promos are better on KOOL but that may be because they are new. The music is pretty much similar. Occasionally, I hear something I like on all but mostly is stuff that may be OK but nothing I really want to hear that much. So far, the only time I can see listening to any of them for a period of time is when KHITS does their "Cruisin" weekends with some '50's stuff. Last weekend was good. Even heard Paul Anka's "Diana".

I second just about all of Jimbo's comments. Music mix just not that much different from K-HITS; jingles remind me of Movin's and don't seem to fit, and the sweepers sound like something from a 90's CHR. BTW, the image voice is Pat Garrett out of Annapolis, MD - his web site even says he specializes in "confidential format launches and station re-launches". (Hmmm...wonder if he speaks Spanish, too?)

PPM shows that only Hispanic and African American formats are down? So, these ethnic groups tend to be dishonest while filling out their Arbitron diaries? Will these formats start disappearing, leaving these ethnic groups with little reason to listen to FM & AM radio? What's going to happen?

I know MissingKSKD said KOOL is a home run with his wife. For whatever reason. Basically, after listening this weekend and switching between KOOL, KHITS, and Charlie, there really isn't a lot of difference between them, as I said earlier. There is nothing, for me, to keep me on a given one except that the commercial breaks seem to be fewer and shorter on KOOL. When they would start a new song, going to KHITS would have a commercial more often than not.

Samplings were done morning - mid afternoon.

I don't believe K-Hits or Kool play alternative rock or hip-hop!

PPM shows Hispanic and Black formats down because Arbitron is having an especially horrible time getting and keeping black and Hispanic respondents in the sample. The Black Broadcasters Association has asked Arbitron to cease all use of the PPM until they can resolve those problems. (Oldbroadcasters racist comments do not merit discussion.)

Arbitron is also having huge problems keeping a sufficient number of Anglo participants. Arbitron is now estimating that meter keepers may keep the devices for 2 years or more.

And they have been unable to maintain their sample sizes, since respondents must carry the PPM with them at all times except when they are sleeping. If they set the meter down (say on their desk at work) instead of carrying it on their person as they move around work, it meter eventually considers them separated from the meter, and stops recording. (Motion detection)

They must also return the meter to its cradle once a day for data download to ARB.

Arbitron is having these major problems despite having rolled out the service in only 2 markets over 2 years. They plan to roll it out into dozens of markets over the next few years. I suspect that problems will increase exponentially
eventually damaging radio's credibility with advertisers.

Like most, I truly believed that the diary was a flawed, less than perfect system. Much like the American Jury system. But it was the best flawed, less than perfect system available. I still believe that.

True, the whole process of surveying people is really weak these days. People (All kinds) just are not willing to do most any kind of survey anymore, and who could blame them! Who has time to deal with a radio survey?

I had been listening a lot of the weekend and the "KOOL 105" that everyone keeps mentioning is not in jingles, but usually buried in a stopset between commercials. It sounds intentional, which makes me think it is there for Arbitron or legal reasons only.

They're just really good guys and want Entercom to get all the credit. It doesn't make any sense!

I really don't think this is a stunt anymore. The new format is now listed on the Ibiquity HD radio site. No one would go to THAT much trouble for a stunt!

Re: the station being different

IMHO, it's the formatting, jingles, and combination of tunes that resonates

Back when Charlie aired, I thought it might work for shared radio time. My tastes are diverse, but there is plenty of pop overlap between us. After a short time, the imaging on that station was a turn off.

K-hits is fine, but a little musty. Do not take that as a Khits slam. I like the sound, but I've got a lot of into radio biases that empower that.

And that sums it up really. The "Bright" feel KOOL has is a clear differentiator. How potent that is, remains to be seen.

I gotta say, the straight up play on Cool, has a lot of potential. If it were me, I would avoid spunk and attitude as it will dilute the differentiation.

Very interesting PPM comments!

Those are MAJOR issues. It's gonna be very difficult to establish a baseline for comparison to existing metrics. I don't see how that can be vetted until the tech is applied differently.

I like the idea of the tech. Maybe those things are resolvable with some very well managed expectations. 2 years seems a long time as well. How many are gonna have the thing stolen, lost, washed, etc?

Very messy. Glad I'm not a bean counter!

"The "Bright" feel KOOL has is a clear differentiator."

There may be a psychological factor relating to a difference in signal processing. K-Hits seems a little less processed than most oldies stations while Kool has more punch (without being over-processed).

That's exactly what I am getting at. There is a feel to those things that adds to the music. IMHO, music from the time period being played goes well with this kind of thing.

I really like it personally. It's very rare to have radio we both enjoy. AM 620 fits that bill on trips sometimes, but that's only for the car and only on longer drives, where some talk and the show all work out nicely.

This is a nicer around the house kind of thing.

I'm gonna archive a coupla weeks worth, just for fun.

jocks start in a couple of weeks...What is your guess/ who will be on air?

I'm an out-of-towner but listened to K-Hits shortly after its debut. I thought the music was good and the jocks were solid, but I was disappointed in the overall sound of the station. I felt it was just too laid back for its format. And someone mentioned Craig Adams as a possibility for 105.9. I'm pretty sure I heard him doing weekends on K-Hits, but I guess he's no longer there.

Craig Adams is a perfect fit for Kool 105-9!

I'm guessing that John Williams will be hosting Kool in the Morning!

"I'm pretty sure I heard him doing weekends on K-Hits, but I guess he's no longer there."

Roddy, Craig was in his usual slot from 7-Midnight last night. You missed a really great show featuring requests sent in by listeners. The Heavy Hitters -- an on-line army of loyal fans -- programmed this entire weekend. It has been a gas.

>>BTW, the image voice is Pat Garrett out of Annapolis, MD

Isn't he also the voice for the Fox News intros on KXL?

Has anyone else noticed that 105.9 isn't playing anything from Paul Revere & The Raiders?

Everyone on this board needs to WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You honestly think Cheap Channel is going to spend money for live jocks on kool 105.9??????? If you said yes, than you are living on another planet. Remember this is CHEAP CHANNEL!!! They have no interest in spending a penny on personalities. Trust me, the station will be bland, boring, Zero personality and will be gone by next year because nobody can identify with it. Joleen Wolf may voice track a few shifts that will be nothing but Liner Card radio!! Yeeeehaw. Remember that this frequency has gone through MANY formats in the last 10 years and none of them have had live jocks.

Come on Xpert! John williams is an excellent canidate for mornings but why would Kool 1059 put him on mornings, That would take away listeners from the beloved K103 and Cheap channel is not out to do that. The whole point of kool 105.9 is to take away listeners from K-hits and Charlie, THATS IT! Cheap channel won't be spending any money on the station, again its whole purpose is to take away listeners from Charlie and K-hits.
Remember when K-lite came on the air???? The only purpose for K-light was to take away listeners from k103 and it FAILED!!! Don't expect much from Kool 1059, it will be in automation 100% of the time! You think kool 105.9 will be adding live jocks??? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!! Thats FUNNY!
If Kool 1059 starts adding LIVE jocks to the station, than I will start drinking my own urine.

Clear Channel could hire John Williams, as long as he's willing to accept a lower salary.

Eugene's Kool 99.1 (KODZ) is live in both mornings and afternoons. 99.1 also plays more AC material (compared to 105.9) to compete with Magic 94.5.

Would you like fries with that?

"[if KOOL] starts adding LIVE jocks to the station, than I will start drinking my own urine."

Noted!

Didn't the CC "market manager person" say that live talent starts on KOOL in September?

Over the last few months, this is the only listing CC has made for an on-air personality:

http://www.clearcareers.com/Jobs/JobDetail.aspx?JobPostingId=12422

I have a question for you radio guys. If you were putting a station on the air that planned to compete with an existing station by adding high profile personalities, wouldn't you want to kick off that station with those high profile personalities already in place?

Signed,
Curious in Canby

>>I have a question for you radio guys. If you were putting a station on the air that planned to compete with an existing station by adding high profile personalities, wouldn't you want to kick off that station with those high profile personalities already in place?<<

Most programmers want listeners to hear the station's new music image before adding the personalities. Hence the "10,000 songs in a row" format changes.

That being said - it can also be damaging if a new station takes too long to add personalities (i.e. Movin).

"[if KOOL] starts adding LIVE jocks to the station, than I will start drinking my own urine."

I once went to one of those new age doctors who told me that drinking your own urine is good for you. Has something to do with the correct electrolytes for your own system. He had a flask of his own urine on the counter. I never went to see him again.

1lossir, Movin still hasn't added many personalities. Stacey Lynn is the only actual "talent" on that station. And They still have no morning show on Movin. WAKE UP MOVIN 1075! Those part timers who are on at crazy hours sound very very Green!

They've begged and pleaded for me to head on up and anchor the morning show, but the salary offered was beneath contempt: Half a mil a year doesn't even begin to be reasonable compensation for a gig of this stature and all that is involved. Please. . .
Besides, my current position at KZEL/Cumulus in Eugene -- hosting middays for $150K a year ("doin' 4 and hittin' the door") -- while nothing to write home about, is enough to scrape by on.
Good luck to John, Tom, Scott and all the rest of Portland's finest, but stick to your guns.

i'm sure your making 150 in eugene. that's the laugh of the day.

150K a year Jeffrey??????? BULLSHIT!!!!

Egor says
Didn't the CC "market manager person" say that live talent starts on KOOL in September?

If thats true Egor than I will be shocked!!! Remember the Key word is "LIVE". If they throw talent on the air, I bet it will be voice tracked from another market and it will sound like shit.

Mr. Clarke....
Your not pulling our legs just a little right??

Sounds about right to me. Hey Buns-o'steel...no apple juice allowed. Drink up!

It's not your leg he's pulling.

I just noticed that The Jazz Club is gone from Kool's website. That's their HD2. It's still on the air.

I thought it was called the Jazz Spot.

It sounds like a different jingle package from what they had. The other one sounded similar to Movin'. This one seems to fit better. Now, if they can only get rid of the Kool 105 voiceover...

Those "Kool 105" liners make the station sound unprofessional! 105.9 is rounded to 106, not 105!

It's not that: I just don't like the idea of credit going to another station.

I forgot to mention it's actually KQOL now!

Bottom right on the Kool 105.9 webpage is promoting the 93.1 "FearFest 2006"! Enter to win now! [KQOL were calls for Clear Channels oldies station in Vegas (93.1) before they flipped the format.]

It's right next to the feature for Michael Jackson's arrest/booking photos. Topical and Timely!

Why would a real major market radio station setting up a brand new website have links to a year-old contest in a different city? Maybe because the website, like the station, is a recycled spoof? To quote Jon Stewart, "Hmmmmmmm".

This station sounds like a bad joke...

Someone once mentioned a few years ago that Z100's website had references to Q102. As I write this, I'm not aware of another Portland station that's playing a pitched-up version of Chris Brown's "Run It."

Connect the dots...The OAB still has a CC job listed for a bi-lingual personality. The website evidently had a spanish message at one point, and Tdanner's observation about an obvious "stunt" website. Not to even mention why CC would try another female-targeted 25-54 station, unless they enjoy "eating their own". This station will be something totally different within two weeks...all bets are hispanic.

But, what about those expensive "Kool 105-9" jingles?

Just a guess expert, but could have been hijacked from another Kool 105-9 somewhere around the CC universe.

Paulie, Paulie, Paulie......can you say La Preciosa. That is what I am saying. Wait within another 7 to 10 days and I think we will get our answer. I could be wrong but we will see.

Yes, that is what I have been saying too. See my above posts.

Kisntell said>>>
welp we went to walmart and we could not find a hd radoi for under 50 bucks so me and darktemper mostly just fiddled around the electronics department.it was pretty funny we were by the cds and this mexican girl with a baby walked by and darktemper pulled off one of the security stickers off the cd and stuck it ever so gently on the girls back. i had to be laughing for at least 30 minutes, then we watched when she left and the old guy that is handing out stickers at the door had to search her baby stroller 2 times.

Was this before or after you cleaned up the beer cans in front of the trailer??? Or did you just spend the afternoon trying to decide which window to drape your confederate flag from???

Why wouldn't Cc franchise the same format in this market as in Eugene/Springfield and Medford/Ashland/Grants Pass? Makes perfect sense to me. If overall they add listeners to the Cc cluster, then they don't lose a thing. I'm just fine with another oldies station on FM, it's an underrepresented format. Having two stations competing in the genre could be fun. Not KGW/KPAM/KISN fun, but fun none the less.

I want to be 500000

I did it....now back to the original question

The Eugene and Medford "Kool" stations play a lot more AC material, which would knock K103 out of it's #1 position, if tried in Portland. If CC is serious about keeping "Kool" in Portland, they need to evolve it in the Classic Rock direction. That way, they'd take more listeners away from KLTH and KGON, instead of K103.

Clear Channel evolved Pocatello's "Kool 94.9" in the Classic Rock direction...and finally flipped it to full-blown Classic Rock ("94 Nine") earlier this year.

K103 sounds more these days like an old Z100 than K-Hits/Kool!

Kool 105-9 is still sharing too much with K103...

It really doesn't work that way. When KISN was Oldies, both they and KGON played songs by The Beatles. KISN is now gone completely. Did KGON's ratings go up because of it?

KGON and Kisn didn't share too many titles, and the imaging of the two stations couldn't have been more different. Plus, Kisn was not originally co-owned with KGON.

Clear Channel would be better off with a KJR-like Classic Hits format on 105.9!

Clear Channel would be better off with a KJR-like Classic Hits format on 105.9!
That's actually what Kool reminds me of in a way... complete with message board complaints that 'the website doesn't look finished,' 'I just heard a 'KBTB Seattle' ID,' 'The jingles are recycled from a previous KJR-FM,' etc., etc., etc.
I guess we'll just have to "stay tuned" to find out.

Why would they be sponsoring a Roerta Flack concert at Chinook Winds if this was just a stunt?? I noticed the ad in the A & E section of the paper.

Semoochie said>>>>
K103 sounds more these days like an old Z100 than K-Hits/Kool!

Kinda like Z100 from 84 to 89 mixed with some new stuff....

Hey RadioXpert- Kool05.9 is also playing classic rock. I thought they are just taking the soul/Motown route, but no they are also playing classic rock. Im also SHOCKED to hear that Kool 105.9 will be adding a LIVE AIRSTAFF?????? Thats what I'm hearing, LIVE DAYPARTS! This could get interesting. Maybe this will force Charlie to get more Live jocks on the station. I may actually have to drink my own urine!

Trixter, that's the idea! Somewhere back there, AC seems to have taken a left turn. The newer music doesn't really complement the older and vice-versa. Based solely on the music, I think K103 would be a distant 3rd or 4th choice for a K-Hits P-1. Kool's audio problems continue: It appears there is now no analog delay. TDanner, what do you think of the idea that Clear Channel simply sees a wrinkle in K-Hit's programming and thinks they can beat them? That's why KUPL went Country. They saw something KWJJ was doing and thought they could do better. K-Hits is far from a legendary station. Maybe, the plan is to inaugurate a tight playlist with strong personalities and take them down!

Was listening to Charlie today and noticed that "The Random request hour with Charlie Girl is back."
It sounded great and it was nice hearing a jock on that station! Charlie Girl sounded GREAT!!!

If kool 105.9 actually gets LIVE personalities on that station and puts on some REAL RADIO, than K-hits and Charlie will have some real competition on their hands. Im still amazed that Clear Channel has gone with this format. Trying to take on 2 established stations in the market is CRAZY!

LET THE RADIO WARS BEGIN!!!!!!

No offesnse, but I see plenty of Wrinkles in k-hits Programming. Starting with the geeky voice guy. He totally brings down the energy and excitement to the station. While the geeky voice guy for K-hits continues to talk about his "pet Rocks" collection, 1059 will have the fun UPTEMPO jingles that makes listening exciting and reminds listeners of the old KISN days. Plus if they can get a Live morning show with strong personalities, than I honestly think it could be Hasta La vista for k-hits.
How about Stoners Time Machine on kool 105.9????

106.7 may not be a legendary station...but, Dennis is a legendary PD. I can't imagine any other Oldies/Classic Hits station outperforming K-Hits.

@beano -- That could get ugly!

The HD sync is WAY off tonight!

I wonder what the story is.

If this is a stunt like some of you say then why would KOOL be sponsoring a Roberta Flack concert at Chinook Winds???

roberta flack? Holdover from smooth jazz?

HD Sync is still way off (7 seconds or so), I also noticed that some of the RDS/RBDS info is wrong: PTY still indicates "Jazz" and PI decodes to KFRI... What were these call letters ?

Heard some really bad audio earlier this morning.

Forget the artist, but the main lyric was "who loves you pretty baby"

Horrible flanging on the high end. Sounds like a poor, misaligned cassette. Gotta replace that file.

this just appeared on AllAccess

KOOL 105.9 Portland
Portland’s New KOOL 105.9 is looking for experienced full and part-time air personalities. A minimum of five years on-air experience required for all positions. Experience with NexGen, VoxPro, and digital editing software preferred. Please send resume/demo directly to our Human Resources Department: Clear Channel Radio; HR/On-Air KQOL; 4949 SW Macadam Ave; Portland, OR 97239. No calls or large e-mail files please. Clear Channel Radio is an Equal Opportunity Employer.

Forget the artist, but the main lyric was "who loves you pretty baby"


that would be the four seasons...."who loves you"

"Who loves you pretty baby" by four seasons, as compared with "Who loves ya baby" Kojack.

But what about the earlier CC ad for a bilingual announcer? Was it a hoax, or is Z-100 going Spanish?

Why does a station have to be english or spanish? cant an English language station, use a bilingual announcer to try and reach out to a broader audience?

Admittedly, that's a possibility, but I'd think the whole station would have to be bilingual for it to grow an audience.

Back in Oklahoma and texas, I have heard announcers on mainly english stations, occassionally use spanish.

And I would think a station would start small, with one announcer, and see how it goes.

Working on the audio alignment right now. Software update on the processor very late in the day on Friday knocked it out, and I didn't notice until this afternoon. I'll look at the RDS next...too damn many signals and text streams per station

BINGO!
HD Alignment... Perfect !
RDS PI... KQOL
RDS PTY... Adult Hits

THANKS AGAIN!

Hopefully, Matt Jones is still in the building, because there are some low quality song files that need to be replaced!

That was the strangest thing: I was listening to Kool and stopped at my mother's house to move a TV. A few minutes later, I returned to my car and the HD was back in sync. I really didn't expect anything tonight.

kool 105.9 should have used KISN!

There's really no nostalgic element to KISN past the 1960s. When it was still up and going, they could play on that element but for someone else to bring it back without a strong 60s connection just isn't going to have the desired effect.

Regardless Semoochie, If Kool 1059 really wanted to take a huge chunk out of K-hits listeners they would have named it KISN. Many people who listened to Kisn back in the 90's talk about that station today!

Kool 1059 claims they will play your request when you make a request on the website. I call B.S.

So, request "Pilot of the Airwaves" and wait.

It's a sure standout test tune. Either they play it, or they don't! Fits with the era being focused on, and was played in this market before too.

>>"Kool 1059 claims they will play your request when you make a request on the website."

Don't be so gullible, or you might end up drinking even more yellow liquid. The promo says they "might" play your request "next"..not that they "will." Even I can see through that.

Maybe, they meant if they get a lot of requests for the same song. OK, now comes new information that the wording was "might". That changes everything!

Bad move on their part..why try to fool the audience. They have more sense than most P.d's

I notice no one says "oldies" anymore. I wonder if our society has become so narcissistic that that we won't tolerate the "old" label defining our taste.

Yeah, the boomer generation and later will never accept "old" as a label for the music of their youth. I suspect not even KISN would have kept using it much longer.

I'm guessing at this point that KOOL is for real and the ad for a bilingual announcer reflected an earlier, tentative decision that has since been reversed. (They still may want your resume, though, in case this format doesn't pan out in six months or so.)

"...3 decades of KOOL music..."
'...we might play your request next...'
Hmmm... when was Treetop Flyer released?! LOL!
Oh... 1990... Don't worry, I wouldn't do that anyway.

Also, another crazy thought about using "KISN..." the KKSN calls are parked on 1390 Salem... does Entercom still hold some sort of intellectual property rights to the the "KISN" radio brand name in Portland? Or perhaps it would've involved payment or other consideration which would've further tipped off the format change.

My last of 3 theories - after being killed once in 1976, on FM in 2005 and AM again earlier in 2007, maybe it's just time to let go.

I favor the latter.

In the minds of the public, Kisn means 50's and early 60's, and that is exactly what neither K-hits nor Kool want to be. Oldies means 50's and early 60's, so ditto.

And per an earlier comment, I'm guessing Kool is not playing PR&R because the songs look lousy in the research. I've tested almost everything they charted in every oldies music test market I've ever done, and I've never seen one of them test better than so-so.

Ditto for music tests I've done in Portland, although I have NOT done an oldies audience test in Portland. But I'd bet that Kool has also not done an oldies test in Portland, and is working from a format safe list.

The term, "Oldies" was commonly used in the 50s and 60s to refer to music that wasn't current. This practice stopped sometime before 1970. When this music was popular among saleable demographics, "Oldies" was a great name to describe the format because everyone knew what it meant and felt nostalgic, even about the name! Since the term was dropped before 1970, anyone who doesn't remember its usage can only relate to it as a format desciption and come to the conclusion that it just means "old"!

My god, how much Billey Joel does Kool need to play???
Everytime I turn them on its BILLEY JOEL!

My god, how much Billey Joel does Kool need to play???
Everytime I turn them on its BILLEY JOEL!

I Love Billy Joel...

"DeJavu" there Beano....great movie BTW!

BILLEY<--An "E"

Beans!

COME ON!

Missing_KSKD:

Thanks for the heads up on the Four Seasons tune. So far, I haven't been able to find it for a redub, but will keep looking.

RadioX:

Thanks for the heads up on Boston. That one's been fixed. My head is just swimming with all these poor quality files that were shipped to us. I'm running as fast as I can to catch up. Heck, I'm still trying to fix all these incredibly loose crossfade points.

Making progress!!

If you hear any additional poor quality files, rest assured that I've most likely heard them too, but feel free to flag me about them.

Thanks all.

I get the feeling, somewhere there is a very bad source. As these propagate, lots of people end up doing the same work over and over...

Without going into more detail than I should, I'll say this...

We (CC) have a chain-wide database of music - of all formats - readily available. (This helps us with format changes, music adds for current-based formats and such) When it was originally started over seven years ago, many people contriuted to this library. Most of whom didn't have knowledge of proper audio file sturcture. As we learned more, the number of "librarians" has been pared down to a select few, and we are slowly cleaning up the master library. But it takes time. There are over 45,000 songs in this library.

As I find these bad files, and correct them, I submit them to our corporate library for all to use.

Locally, I have a lot of work to do to get KOOL 105-9 set up properly.

What is the preferred audio file structure? Just curious.

Corporate format is MPEG Layer 2 @ 5.5:1 compression.

However, here in the Portland Cluster, we're loading all of our files as fully uncompressed, linear PCM.

45,000 songs! That should satisfy the purists.

For what it's worth on using "KISN" on 105.9...to me it seems a lot like the controversy over Macy's changing the name of Meier&Frank or, here in Seattle, the Bon Marche. Under new ownership and somewhat different direction, those stores weren't the M&F or Bon we knew, so why just keep the name? KISN was a great station back in the day, but why not remember them then and hope that KOOL 105.9 can be great in their own way. I'm not saying they will or won't, BTW, but just sharing a thought. To me, 97.1, while fine in many ways, was never really "KISN."

Excuse my ignorance. What would be the comparison to say an MP3 at a 320kbps bit rate?

>>Excuse my ignorance. What would be the comparison to say an MP3 at a 320kbps bit rate?<<

320kb/sec MP3 is 4.4:1 compression. However, the "corporate standard" noted above is MP2, which some feel sounds better than MP3.

>>Thanks for the heads up on the Four Seasons tune. So far, I haven't been able to find it for a redub, but will keep looking. <<

Good luck. Both the commercial CD releases and the CD masters from Jones TM have that "flanging".

Is the rate I listed a good one to use for personal stuff? That's the one I currently rip everything at from my CD's to my library. I thinks it's overkill though because my "ZUNE" has to convert it down to 128 when it transfers. It sounds good on the ol' laptop though with stereo speakers attached.

Doing the math: (approx 1411kbps .WAV, compressed at a 5.5:1 ratio--so 1411/5.5=approx. 256k) MPEG2 has a different way of encoding, so

I would imagine that a 256k .mp2 would sound a bit better than a 320k .mp3. I haven't heard both side-by-side so I don't know the subtle differences.

With hard drive space being as cheap as it is now, the only reason to use compressed files is if you have to transfer them over the net on a regular basis(daily or weekly features for example) Many religious programmes are encoded in mp2/mp3 for quicker/lower data rate downloads. Most of the half hour programmes we download here at KKJC are 128-256k .mp3 files-okay for voice only. I just recently re-ripped all of our music to uncompressed WAV format a few monthes ago-made a big difference.

Matt Jones: I'm glad to hear you're still there, saving our ears from those nasty files! If you need a clean copy of the Four Seasons song, I have it on GoldDisc 223.

Since hard drive space has become so inexpensive, many stations are replacing their compressed files with linear copies. Thank goodness! Jones TM recently joined the fight against MP3's, by offering WAV's at only 99 cents per file. Now, stations have no excuse for using anything other than full quality files.

Re: the flanging effect on the Four Seasons' "Who Loves You" -- There was a bit of that on the original hit recording. Remember, this was 70s technology and special effects of the time!

Of course, not having heard it on KOOL myself, a reduced bitrate *would* make it stand out like a sore thumb.

Kudos to you, Matt...You're a one-man QC department! Thanks for being so persnickety! It really does pay off...

I like the 70's flanging. This was not the intended effect!

IMHO, the poorer quality wavelet encoders really have trouble discriminating this particular sound. Some flanging happens as a result of the temporal errors that come with the encoding process.

If the encoder is not given a high enough bitrate, it's a complete mess --even if a good one, like LAME, is used.

Re: mp2

My SGI has this built in, along with some older MJPEG video codecs. It's got a great sound, but needs a solid bitrate. 5.5 is a bit too high of a compression for all tunes to work, IMHO.

Disk is so cheap these days, why not just pick up with one of the lossless formats and build the library exactly one more time?

Seems to me, that investment would pay off over and over, as we continue to shuffle formats and progress with more digital elements overall.

In 2007, there's no reason to compress any audio file at any radio station.

Hey Brade- REMEMBER its all about listeners writing the name down in diary's. KISIN IS MUCH MORE MEMORABLE than Kool 1059.
Top of the mind awareness is ALL it is when it comes to ratings!
No matter how good your station is, if its not a memorable, simple name, listeners will NOT write it down. If I was Clear Channel I would have Used the name KISN. Dumb Move on Clear Channels part. THey could have taken MANY listeners away from K-hits just by using the name KISIN, and considering that the format is similar to Kisn's format!

Can someone please tell me what is Kool 105.9's format??? I thought they were playing 3 decades of music, focusing just on the soul music?? But Lately I have been hearing Classic rock, which I have been enjoying.

The primary reason for using compressed audio files is for data transfer purposes. Remember, we're talking about the CC central music library here...a library which every one of our stations pulls music from.

For example: When we request an audio file from the master library, it's sent over the corporate WAN to our site within 15 minutes. Once it's here on our local server, it's always available to us, until or unless someone deletes it.

Now, imagine every station in the entier company needing music. This can sometimes nearly overload the WAN when the traffic is so great. And, of course, uncompressed files are much larger, which would jam up the WAN even that much more.

So these compressed files are used as a means to get audio to our sites as quickly and efficiently as possible.

I totally agree with you about the use of compressed audio. That's why, at the CC Portland cluster, I am reloading songs as .wav files where possible. Bear in mind also that this is not my primary job, so I'm doing it as time premits. It is my desire that (to the best of my abilities) CC Portland's audio sounds as good as it possibly can.

Good point about the diaries, Beano!

Sorry beano, but calling Kool Kissin would be like calling a BLT a hamburger, just because everyone remembers hamburgers. They are two different products.

Kool (and K-Hits) want to be the anti-kissin's... the no 50's, no early 60s, music station for people who grew up in the 70s.

If the target audience is 40-55 year olds... the very end of the saleable demos, that demo turned 14 years old (H.S.) between 1966 and 1980. Kissin was barely on their radar. This demo is the KGW, KPAM, KYTE crowd.

Sorry Matt, I'm not gonna buy that one. There is zero reason for the main library to have any compression at all. In fact, you are doing lots of work that more or less negates the benefit that would otherwise be there.

It's reasonable to assume there are others like you around the nation as well. (and good thing too!) Added together, you guys are expensive right? I hear about costs and lack of returns all the time. Seeing this dilemma makes me seriously wonder if it can't be better than it is, and here are a few reasons why:

The main library files could be encoded, on the fly, for transfer to stations. A small investment in some web service infrastructure would handle this encoding process. Essentially then, somebody would make a request for a file, it would be encoded and sent. This has the added advantage of bringing the potential for meta-data to be a part of the process.

So, people could ask for female top 10 artists, from period x to period y, etc...

They could be compressed in the usual lossless ways, and sent that way too.

A quick stopgap would be to batch encode the whole darn thing and have that available. Run a quick process to evaluate the library and encode new tunes as they are added. That's about the same return as the web thingy, but does require people on a longer term basis.

The average tune is 40mb. Lossless puts this at maybe 20 - 25 or so right?

Building the library, right now, one time, also leverages the simple fact that bandwidth and storage tech are always on the increase.

Right now, that library, uncompressed sits somewhere about 1 - 2 TB. This storage size is no longer as expensive as it once was. Totally doable.

If you look at the costs of lesser storage, say .5 TB, the overall cost of ownership is similar, leaving only the initial acquisition cost difference. Factored over time, this difference is not significant, particularly given said cost burden can be distributed over so many station groups.

No brainer there.

For an initial station load, a portable media device, shipped, totally exceeds the bandwidth otherwise available. If the web service were built, this could be part of it's function, leaving somebody to just connect the device, let it be filled, then fed-ex. Cheap ass, by comparison to ordinary means, up to and including just pulling down all the tunes.

Some traffic shaping would keep that 15 minute window viable as well. No one station would be able to dominate the connection. If that need comes up, that's a planning problem, not an infrastructure one. This also would allow people to batch, drip feed, raw audio files where doing so is warranted, without impacting day to day real-time operational needs.

One additional benefit of such an infrastructure build out would be ready access for any station group to the library for very deep on demand situations. If one chose to handle requests, getting them on line and ready to play would be dead simple, and likely something nearly anyone could do, leaving the more capable people free to do the more demanding things, rather than grind away at what would otherwise be a minor task.

**This is not a personal attack, just another perspective from somebody who does this kind of planning on a regular basis.

"As quickly" is well served by pre-compressing the files. "As efficiently" is a total mess right now, with your time being the primary case in point.

It's not even possible to get to "technology value add and returns" without first automating and quality proofing the first two problems. It's that tech value add that is gonna pay off longer term as the people within the organization are then freed to add their unique value.

One power geek somewhere, would free up a significant percentage of your time. Again, multiplied by the number of impacted people, and the potential revenue that comes from a greatly improved ability to compete, something like this overall should be a no-brainer ROI.

Buns of Steel, were you really hearing dedicated Classic Rock or were they rock based hit singles ie Bachman Turner Overdrive, Steve Miller Band or the like? If you heard "The Star Spangled Banner" by Jimi Hendrix, that's another story!

Well KSKD, whether you're "gonna buy that one" or not is moot. It is what it is. I haven't lied to you, I also haven't gone into full detail (and won't, either) about our file structure.

All I'm saying is that people much higher up the CC food chain than I, have said that we will use mp2 5.5:1. End of story (their words, not mine).

You're preaching to the choir on this one. That's why I redub audio to .wav at our local level.

Alright..enough of this boring discussion about file types. I'm sure the average reader has driven an ice pick into their foreheads by now.

Let's get back to KOOL 105-9.

Buns O' Steel - the classic rock cuts you've heard are simply hit songs of the time period.

And Beano...if I could get a video copy of your urine-drinking adventure..that'd be great.

Stay tuned.

Sorry. Didn't mean to imply you lied. More like I don't buy the higher up the chain reasoning. It's all good.

I think Beano should be the next Utube star!

Man I never thought my Urine drinking comment would be such a huge deal!
Mattjones I love ya BUT Remember, I will only drink my own urine if Kool 1059 gets LIVE jocks on the station. The Key word is LIVE, NO VOICETRACKING, that does NOT count! I still don't think Clear Channel will spend money on getting Live air talent.
The day K00l 1059 gets LIVE jocks on the station is the day Brittney Spears stops lip Syncing in concerts!

...and some urine gets consumed.

(man, I would have never wrote that. Maybe it can get you a shock jock guest gig!)

I hope all that time we've been spending working on the studio, and adding the profanity delay, isn't for naught. I'm ready for someone on this board to finally put their money (or something else) where their mouth is. Ish!

If you'd like to take up the data compression discussion on another thread, we could probably get some mileage from it. Matt and I have had plenty of discussions on it. Sadly, it's more of a mental exercise at a local level.

I'm sure that Kool 105-9 will have a live morning personality. Maybe, even a live afternoon voice.

My guess is the average listener doesn't care about the bitrate or the quality of the audio file anyway... they just want to hear the song. Another uneducated guess about these average listeners is they're probably using a much lower bitrate on their MP3 player anyway, and when they listen to the radio, it's on a piece-of-junk radio that they purchased only because 'it was the cheapest.'
I doubt anyone reading a radio message board is an "average listener."

In most cases, a station's audio quality isn't something that the "average listener" will consciously notice. However, on a subconscious level, they're more likely to stay tuned into a station that sounds crisp, clear, and pleasing to the ear.

105.9's audio processing has never sounded very good, in my opinion.

That resonates to me. (sorry, I'll focus after this! --it's audio and data management issues that set me off. Both, are often done very poorly. That does not reflect on hard working people in the field. I find it hard to see such talent being wasted for no reason, that's really all the motivation for anything I said.)

I hear things like:

"not clear, fuzzy, dull, etc..." Those form impressions that accumulate. And that's probably as far as ordinary people take things.

Maybe they just deal too. I'll bet the expectations are low a lot of the time --or the content is worth it.


We spent some time on Kool last night. Signal is iffy where I live. Got out the Terk and ended up with something listenable. For me, the mix is a nice change from my usual fare. Good to have something we both can listen to.

(And that means it's probably cooked! Most things I enjoy are on borrowed time...)

WOW Radioxpert- YOu really think Cheap Channel will have a LIVE afternoon personality.

Lets look at the track record of that station Xpert
The River- All Voice Tracked
Star 1059- All voice tracked
Smooth Jazz- All voice tracked.

So Xpert please tell me this. So suddenly Cheap Channel is going to dump money into that station and PAY for live air talent??????? C'mon Xpert, you're smarter than that. They don't get the nickname "cheap Channel" for nothing.
I would make a bet with you Xpert, but I'm already getting money from Raizin in a few months, I wouldn't want to pocket YOUR money also!

To compete with K-Hits, they *might* want to have a live afternoon voice, but I'm not counting on it.

They might????? You mean THEY SHOULD!!! If Cheap Channel is smart, and really wants this station to take off, they will spend the money on live air talent! Is it any coincidence that every format 105.9 has had in the past have all failed. And notice that they were all VOICETRACKED!!!!!!!!
Wake up Cheap Channel and put on a radio station with LIVE air talent that will actually be around in another 10 years!!!!

Beano actually makes a great point. Cheap Chnnel always goes the Cheap route and Voice tracks all the stations,yet the format continues to flip every few years on 105.9 because nobody is listening. Isn't it cheaper in the long run to hire live air talent and get a station that gets strong ratings and stays around for a long time, INSTEAD of voice tracking the station not putting much effort into the station, and having the format flip every couple of years???? Which is it?

Voicetracked Stations NEVER seem to get ratings and are Never around for very long! Portland is a market that want personalities not Voicetracked robots that have ZERO PERSONALITY! If 105.9 Really wants to stay competitive with Charlie and K-hits they will put on the best product possible with includes LIVE air staff. It amazes me that Clear Channel has not learned from their mistakes, and they have made PLENTY of them. How many more formats will 105.9 go through until clear channel actually dumps some money into them?

Morning and Afternoon talent already hired..

John Williams? Scott Tom?

Beano: Not all of 105.9's formats have been fully tracked. On the River, both Kim Wonderley and Charlie Busch were live. Janine Wolf was also live on Smooth Jazz. There were many factors which resulted in these stations' format changes.

Also, I'll give you a pass on the "drinking" thing. It's actually Buns O' Steel who stands condemmed...

Author: Bunsofsteel
Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 2:03 am

"...If Kool 1059 starts adding LIVE jocks to the station, than I will start drinking my own urine."

Unless, of course Buns and Beano are one and the same....

Stay tuned!

John Williams
Tom Parker?
Scott Tom

at least a couple should surface on KOOL.

Buns and Beano are one and the same...

I think K-HITS is most vulnerable in Mid-Days. If KOOL puts on almost any talent with some personality, energy and vibe, that will be it.

What about the fact that KQOL has so much repetition?

See HD Ramblings post about their HD2.

>>What about the fact that KQOL has so much repetition?

What? An oldies station with repetition? Unbelievable, when there's so much new product available.

Play the damn hits.

BTW..in this format..personality-wise...morning drive is where it begins. Some good people are tanned and rested. The fall book starts Thursday.

105.9 is much more repetitious than 106.7 ever was. There are many more 60's/70's/80's hits that 105.9 should be playing.

KOOL posted an ad today on the OAB site for both full and part time openings.

I would also add that I remember Star 105.9 was also not completely voicetracked. The morning show after with Michael Storm, Larry, and Marie Dodds; after dumping Jamie and Danny was live (Yes, I know it had already been decided to pull the plug on the station at that point). There were some live afternoon drive shifts, Michael Storm and Buzz (now on KUFO) come to mind.
I know they were live, I called the shows up occasionally!

Well if there was a few live shifts. THEY DID A POOR JOB at making the station sound live. The station sounded LIFELESS and dull!!!!
If your station has live jocks, let them have some personality. Bring in some excitement instead of bringing on these LAME ASS LINER CARD READERS! Im so sick and tired of hearing such LAME RADIO!!!
Quit being so damn Cheap Clear channel and put some LIVE air talent on the station!!!!!!!! Im hoping What Cheddardog said is TRUE and they are actually hiring some LIVE talent for that station! My guess is that the talent they just hire will all be voicetracked! And trust me, I will be able to tell just by listening to a couple of talk breaks.

Good morning my radio friends.
Lets remember what station in portland has the best variety in Portland, if not the country- CHARLIE FM!!!!!!!!!!(Thats a no brainer)
Great music and Hopefully MORE Live air talent coming to Charlie!

I love K-hits but BOY do they have some MAJOR MAJOR competition now. WAS Listening to Kool 1059 and they went from playing Sly and Family Stone to CCR!! Thats K-hits Playlist!!!!!
Kool obviously thinks they can program a station much better than k-hits, Lets see how they do. If I was the PD of Kool 105.9, I would hire LIVE uptempo, High energy jocks,Throw HUGE contests and you'll have a winner on your hands!

Id love To hear Tim Taylor on Kool 105.9, he is one of my favorite air talents!

Head to Head in market Competition!!!! A novel NEW concept in radio programming. What's old is new again.....

>>>"Id love To hear Tim Taylor on Kool 105.9, he is one of my favorite air talents!"<<<<<

Personally, I'd love to hear me live overnights on Kool 105.9, I'm one of my favorite air talents.

WOW....nearly 300 posts in two weeks. Now if the station generates this kind of buzz in the market, they may hit Chuck and K-hits hard....

Sorry, I fell off the PDX Anonymous Wagon, my sponsor has an unlisted phone number :-D More than two weeks though not a bad start.

... back to step one.....

Tim Taylor would be a great jock for that format.. when I was at Entercom and he was working at 105.1 Joel Grey needed someone to cover a shift at KISN and he called Tim, Tim stepped right in and sounded like he had been working on KISN for years.. guy is a natural..

I've been kind of reading along on this thread with interest. The station is two weeks young, no live shows yet but talent hired, and you guys are already flaming it about repetition in their playlist. Geeeez....give em a few weeks to work on the playlist and get the live shows launched before you condemn it! If it never comes to pass and winds up ran by Robbie the Robot then flame away!

Note to Dan:
Are they still KJIZ....didn't that change? Didn't they change it to KQOL? If so you may want to update the ownership page.

C'mon Temper ITS CHEAP CHANNEL!!!!!!!!
Do you honestly think they will get Live jocks on that station???
Say Hello to Robbie The Robot!

Ps- Tim Taylor is a Natural and would be perfect for Kool 1059, I hope he has applied for a position because HE ROCKS!!!!!! I have nothin but love for Tim!

I don't know the players or the politics but it just seems fair to give them a few weeks. They are progressing and have hired people according to some of the posts here unlike other format flips and leaving it on autopilot. If they go at it with even halfway decent live shows they will have the advantage over their closest two competitors which do not.

PS to your PS....Tim and the others seemed like they were reigned in at Rock Hit's. I hope when he lands another gig that he get's a little creative freedom for his show.

PS PS PS Michael Wood was always fun to listen to as well!

Throw a Live Tim Taylor in the Middays on Kool1059 so he is up against brad Dolbier and Kool 1059 WILL CRUSH K-hits. Tim has the great energy and always sounds good on the mic.

Clear Channel has a good chance of taking away listeners from K-hits if they make SMART decisions like hiring Live Air talent, have fun contests and making the station sound ALIVE! Thats the problem with the previous stations on 1059 they all sounded DEAD!!!!!!! Just my 2 cents.

Who is Tim Taylor (other than a TV Home Improvement character) and where did he work before? His name doesn't ring a bell.

Yup,, Throw Tim Taylor on the middays slot on Kool 1059 and you'll have a winner. Nothing against Brad Dolbier, but he needs to boost his energy level. Good idea Buns O STEEEEEEL!

You could put Beano, Justin, and Buns on evenings for the "Nightly Manashatwa Show".

Just funnin' guys!!!!! Really......

Add:
Although....a local trio like that could be more entertaining than the Carolla Bonaduce trainwreck express! That's it....there's the early morning show! "The Kool Manashatwa Madness Morning Crew!"

Still think it's a stunt???
Anyone....
Anyone....
Anyone....

I listened a little more to their HD2 and would say it's definitely mainstream Classic Hits. They even say "Classic Hits" in their positioner.

Still think it's a stunt???
I'll believe it when I hear a different type of music on 105.9.

Im seeing Kool ad's all over the busses in Downtown portland.
It has Kool 105.9 in big letters than in the corner it says "Brown eyed girl" by Van morrison. I counted 3 different busses with the Kool ad's all over them.

Then it is Kool for now....Its success will depend on billing. If it bills about the same as Smooth Jazz then it will have been considered a failure. Its now up to the sales staff.

You gotta have the merchandise before you can sell it don't ya?

Even if Kool gets the same 12+ ratings as the prior format, they should do better with billing because the target is younger. Smooth Jazz was beginning to have the same problem that hurt B/EZ, Adult Standards and Traditional Oldies: The audience was becoming to old to sell.

Is the Smooth Jazz Billboard by the Rose Garden still up?

It was up last week a few days after the format flip.

I'm hearing a few different songs on the station; they just played Little River Band's "Lonesome Loser" a few minutes ago.

I heard Jessie's Girl by Rick Springfield at 8:20 this morning.....

(barf)

Kool 105-9 plays nothing but the songs we're sick of. They only have 350 songs in rotation!

Kool 1059 plays the most BURNT OUT, OVERPLAYED SONGS. They sound like an inferior Charlie!
Thank God somebody understands the Burnout factor because Kool does not! That station will be gone in less than a year. Any bets????

Burnt out and overplayed according to whom?
The song I hate might be someone else's favorite. In fact, it might be so many people's favorite that not playing it would be stupid.
And the song I like might be hated by so many others that it would be stupid to play it!

You are not doing well in this, until everybody hates at least a few tunes!

Last 10 Played Songs:

Never Knew Love Like This Before
Stephanie Mills

Don't Go Breaking My Heart
Elton John / Kiki Dee

Abc
Jackson 5

One Of These Nights
Eagles

Give Me the Night
George Benson

Maggie May
Rod Stewart

Do Wah Diddy Diddy
Manfred Mann

Dancing in the Dark
Bruce Springsteen

Can't Get Enough of Your Love, Babe
Barry White

I'd Love You To Want Me
Lobo

Barf. That's just tired and sad.
(Teeny apologies to Barry and Rod and Newflyer)

Oh, and does anybody know when Tree Top Flyer comes on?