The picture for DUHbya and Co. is getting darker and darker by the day.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20406241/

The Bush bashing on this board is getting darker and darker by the day.

Bash on, Bush-haters.

Gridlock, away.

Herb

How about what YOU EXTREME righties did for 7 1/2 years when Slick Willy was in office.

Justifying bad behaviour by pointing to other bad behaviour?

Do two wrongs make a right, Trixter?

Herb

One whacko Republican pandering for votes on his home turf and you call it "more GOP".

"One whacko Republican"

Yep, that's "W" hands down!

Pool ol' "W"....he can't even spell Whacko!

JHC on a popsicle stick, HerrB!

"Justifying bad behaviour by pointing to other bad behaviour?"

That might just be THEE most hypocritical statement from you EVER.

Without a doubt, YOU are the undisputed king of that trick.

Holy Crap. You're really reaching (whilst scraping your ham-fists on the bottom of your troll barrel).

Move along folks, there's nothing (new) to see here.

So he finally admits "bad behaviour" on the part of Republicans during the Clinton administration.

Noted

It's very " I can call my sister ugly - YOU can't call my sister ugly " with Herb. He has said it before. It's understandable.

WOW!
Mrs. M put the SMACKDOWN on old Herr Herb.

"So he finally admits "bad behaviour" on the part of Republicans during the Clinton administration."

Only if any statements unfavourable to Mr. Clinton can be actually proven false.

Herbert Milhous Nixon III

As would be the same for TRICK "DICK".

You can't have it both ways.

Since Mr. Clinton was impeached and lost his law license, those are facts.

Mr. Nixon became unpopular among leftists, but hey...so am I. Big whup.

Herb

Tricky became UNPOPULAR with the whole damn country and resigned in DISGRACE. He knew it was coming after the DISGRACE of Watergate.
Can't get any worse than Tricky "DICK".

Herb, overall, who has been the better President, Clinton or Bush Jr.? Just asking. Obviously you can use any criteria you wish. But I'm curious about your opinion.

Chicken...
He is so brainwashed that of course he is going to say DUHbya by a mile and 3/4. DUHbya doesn't loath the military and he has kept us safe from Terrorists since 9/11. He FREED ZILLIONS in Iraq from a heinous DICKtator and stop the torture and rapes from happening every single hour of every single day.
COME ON NOW!
DUHbya hands down.....

I do not predict that to be the case. I think Herb, when asked plainly, and doesn't feel hammered on, can at least believe that my question isn't a loaded one.

"...who has been the better President, Clinton or Bush Jr.?"

If you ask most people at this point in American history, Mr. Clinton would easily get the nod. Mr. Clinton was a masterful politician, a decent administrator, a strong advocate for his causes and knew how to appeal to the masses. I would say that Mr. Bush is principled to a fault.

I would rather be Mr. Bush than Mr. Clinton, but the short answer is Mr. Clinton gets the nod from most. I'm also grateful that in time, even the lowly Mr. Nixon is now viewed differently, even by the left, in part due to their extreme dislike of Mr. Bush.

Herb

So YOU think Clinton was the better President?

Mr. Clinton was a good administrator and excellent politician, but I don't consider him a great leader. In addition, it's difficult to separate policy positions from administrative tasks.

As an example, one might take issue with Mr. Bush's Iraq War strategy.

However, Mr. Clinton's entrusting people like Jamie Gorelick with placing a wall between the FBI and CIA made the US more vulnerable.

I abhor so many of Mr. Clinton's policy positions because I believe he made us weaker, but kind of like the aunt who gives your kid sugar treats. She's popular until the kid is home and then the parents have to deal with a kid on a sugar binge. Mr. Clinton gave us butter, but at the expense of guns.

Mr. Clinton was an excellent political strategist and was very smart. However, I don't believe history will show him as wise. Mr. Bush may be seen as wrong on Iraq, but given the human penchant for freedom, many will understand that he was trying to give the Iraqis a shot at freedom from a vile and evil dictator, whilst depriving an Israel-hating Iran from taking over the region.

That's my honest feeling.

Herb

So you think Bush is the better President?

You can pick your favorite of all ( Nixon? ) Can you pick who you think is better between Clinton or Bush?

For re-building our military and taking very seriously our current age of Islamic terror, I would say Mr. Bush has an edge. That's because I'm big on guns and a tad less on butter, but you do need both.

Mr. Clinton was better in dealing with the public and connected better. Again, it goes to the core question of what's most important. Neither Mr. Bush or Mr. Clinton are Abraham Lincoln, who I believe is our finest president. I practically tear up just thinking about the guy, but one could say the same perhaps about George Washington, too.

I'm big on Mr. Nixon because he stood up to one of our biggest threats of his age, and one that many others would not: communist aggression.

It was not popular, but as Mr. Reagan later followed by imploring Mr. Gorbachev to 'tear down that wall,' it was the right thing to do. Not easy, but right.

Herb

Clinton had better policy. Bush's policies have been a disaster. Bush will have doubled our national debt that took 200+ years to build in only 8 years. We are worse off thanks to Bush. History will prove him to be one of the worst.

I thinks it's hard to say one President is better than another when you consider the different circumstances that each face(d).

The closest I can come is " Who rose their respective challenges the best? Not the best they could. But the best that could have been done."

Bush, possibly, under different circumstances, would not be viewed as worst President ever ( Which, by the way, I do not recall any other President in my lifetime getting called ) if the world was different. But it's not. Clinton had it relatively easy by comparison. However, I do believe that just about ANY previous President would have handled this era better than Bush. Republican or Democrat.

And that's why I count him as the worst. I do. Hopefully, this will be the worst President in the future too.

With that I'm sure we can all agree.

So Herb, I'm just going to count you as saying Clinton was a better President than Bush and call it a night.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have some new tunes and some beer I am interested in playing for anyone that is in the mood to hang out via internet radio.

Word.

"Mr. Clinton was an excellent political strategist and was very smart. However, I don't believe history will show him as wise. Mr. Bush may be seen as wrong on Iraq, but given the human penchant for freedom, many will understand that he was trying to give the Iraqis a shot at freedom from a vile and evil dictator, whilst depriving an Israel-hating Iran from taking over the region."

Herb, I laud you for actually being civil and realistic here.

I don't agree to a large part still ... but you could be right. Yes, Clinton had infidelity issues while in office. So did JFK and it didn't seem to affect his legacy one iota. It's also unfair to compare the times of Clinton and Bush Jr. to Nixon, because the cold war has long been over.

Of course we ALL could be wrong. Everyone said that Truman's legacy would not be a positive one as left office, and now his place in history is entrenched. Jimmy Carter has largely rewritten his legacy with his post-Presidential peace work. Even with his faults, Reagan's legacy is intact. Clinton's ... well of course time will tell, but it will only be helped by the sheer ineptitude of the Bush administration.

Bill Clinton was a pretty solid President. He is a very smart person --one of the smartest we get.

Agree Herb. He's not all that wise. Or maybe it's not so strong. I'm not sure I can decide between the two.

At least Herb can give credit to Slick Willy for some things. I for one do not agree with what he did in the Oval Office but since it was done between CONSENTING ADULTS it's their business. Lying under oath.... NOT GOOD!
NAFTA was/is a big mistake and some other things like Somalia were big mistakes.
But Herb what about the MILLIONS freed by Clinton??? You NEVER talk about that? The ETHNIC CLEANSING stopped by the Clinton Administration????

How about the US rangers who died because Clinton refused the request to send them a couple of tanks, to be used in emergencies?

How 'bout that, Nwokie? Please, just this once, finish your thought...

Tell me about it and what it means to you.

"How about the US rangers who died because Clinton refused the request to send them a couple of tanks, to be used in emergencies?"

How about the hundreds (if not more) of US troops in Iraq who needlessly died because the armor in their vehicles was woefully inadequate, and the administration dragged its feet in rectifying the situation?

Somalia was a giant clusterfuck, much like Iraq. Clinton realized it much sooner and got our boys the hell out of there.

NAFTA was originally signed by Bush Sr. in 1992, Trixter. All Clinton did was to extend it to the rest of the continent. If you look at the voting in Congress, more Democrats opposed it than favored it, though there was much bipartisan voting, both for and against it.

No matter how you shake it, it's a giant pile of crap that has done more harm than good to our economy and job market. This may sound cold, but I'm not real interested in sponsoring a sweatshop in Guatemala at the expense of jobs here in the name of "free trade".

Yep!
Ross Perot nailed it on NAFTA.

I like how trixter tries to defend clinton from all the bashing yet calls him slick willy, which I thinj is a term Rush made up

I listen to Rush all the time if you haven't read ANY of my posts??? Most of you sticky kool-aid drinkers don't!
Defend Clinton??? If I EVER defend him it's because YOU EXTREME RIGHTIES bashed the living shit out of him for 7 1/2 years and no piss and moan about the treatment that DUHbya get's. It goes both ways. Don't like it???? Don't participate in discussions on this message board!

NO, I dont really read your post. All you need to do is read one of them and you pretty much know what every other one is going to say.

I am going to start calling you Senator Palpatine. Not yet Emperor though.

TOE said>>>
NO, I dont really read your post. All you need to do is read one of them and you pretty much know what every other one is going to say.

Then I guess your as ignorant as the rest of the EXTREMEIE bible thumpin' DUHbya worshipers....