In the McDonald's drive thru today, I was behind a car that had this statement printed out in bold print on a 8.5 x 11 piece of paper and taped to the back window.

Pretty powerful stuff.

While anyone losing a son is a terrible thing, this piece of paper is nothing more than a political statement. Cindy Sheehan about beat that approach to death.

Ouch.

I wonder about the conversations they get into.

Powerful indeed. If it were my kid, I would want others to know.

One of the first things you learn as a soldier, is that your job can get you killed, especially if your MOS starts with an 11 or 18.

President Bush hasn't lied about anything, Iraq was a threat to US interests and it had WMD, and the capability to make more. And his commanders have done a very good job keeping US casualties to a minimum, and even limiting hostile casualties.

Nwokie said>>>>
President Bush hasn't lied about anything, Iraq was a threat to US interests and it had WMD.

That's what they sold to us as American's and the world. We know different now.

"it had WMD"

only you think so.

Nwokie: Does this remind you of anything:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As he awaits a crucial progress report on Iraq, President Bush will try to put a twist on comparisons of the war to Vietnam by invoking the historical lessons of that conflict to argue against pulling out.


On Wednesday in Kansas City, Missouri, Bush will tell members of the Veterans of Foreign Wars that "then, as now, people argued that the real problem was America's presence and that if we would just withdraw, the killing would end," according to speech excerpts released Tuesday by the White House.

"Three decades later, there is a legitimate debate about how we got into the Vietnam War and how we left," Bush will say.


Send in the helicopters and start the embassy evacuation.

They found shells with mustard gas, thats a fact.
They found a river with chemical levels consistant with the dumping of sarin gas.

The mustqard gas alone justifies the statement they found WMD.

Its like being pregnant, its you are or not. It was there.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1120720,00.html

Irrelavant...did you even read the article you posted....here let me copy a few pieces for ya:

However, the find of a small amount of mortar shells is unlikely to satisfy a growing chorus of criticism that the much-touted weapons of mass destruction either never existed or were destroyed years ago. The Danish team has found only 36 mortar rounds buried in desert about 45 miles from Al Amarah, a southern town. But it added that up to a 100 more could still be hidden at the location. The rounds were in plastic bags and some were leaking. It seems they had been buried for at least 10 years.

Even coalition military spokesmen said the weapons were likely to be a leftover from the Iran-Iraq war fought during the Eighties when mustard gas was widely used. The gas blisters the skin painfully and can be lethal if it is breathed in. Victims die in excruciating agony.

No nwokie, there were no WMD's to be found. That's common knowledge even among the Bush Adminstration, and they've admitted as much.

So, just like Bush did before the war, you are lying right now.

WMD's weren't found because the Russians hauled them to Syria.

Really? I hadn't heard that. Where did you hear that? Why aren't more people aware of that fact? Did the President state that somewhere? Seems like it would answer a lot of critics.

Actually, I read on a consrvative blog that Mrs Peacock hauled them away to the library...with a candlestick.

Did they or did they not find mustard gas?
If the answer is yes, they found WMD.

I don't know. Did they? How much? When? And if they did, was that a good enough reason to be saddled with what we have here today? Is that all you wanted out of all this? To find mustard gas?

Then by that, you see this ALL as a huge success in Iraq?

Wow...it's good for them that we showed up to dispose of their hazardous, leaking, decaying, mustard gas mortar shells from a war over 20 years ago! WE shaw wouldn't want that to mess up our oil supply!

OH Smack....I got drawn in again......L8R guys.....this is old news and not worth the hassle!

As they say in court, yes or no, did Iraq have WMD?

I think the presidents biggest mistake, was giving Saddam several ultimatives, he should have sent troops in, after Saddam didnt conform to the first. It gave Saddam too much time to destroy or move his WMD.

Hey, you guys are ignoring the fact that Bush fought off letting us know that this was just another Vietnam war, so now that he admits it is do we have to wait until we have more than 50,000 dead names to put on a wall before we cut our losses?

"As they say in court, yes or no, did Iraq have WMD?"

Yeah. I heard you. Am asking you for the answer Nwokie. Did they?

Now it's your turn to answer my questions. Just like they do in court.

Don't play dumb nwokie. The WMD we went there fore IS NOT what was found. This would be like someone claiming they "won the lottery" when in reality the won a free scratch-it ticket worth $1.

I would ask this:

What exactly is weapons of mass destruction?

If one finds a single chemical mortar, that is a weapon of destruction. Mass then becomes somewhat arbitrary doesn't it?

Is mass 10 people, 100, 1000, 100000?

So one finds a few chemical mortars, old and leaky. That is weapons of destruction, but is that to be considered weapons of mass destruction?

All of this comes down to worth. Do we fight this war for a few ugly weapons found?

Seems to me the claim was weapons of mass destruction. The context was massive as in a whole lot of people. Like enough people to really be scary, garner world support, and go to war kind of people.

Does that sound fitting of some old weapons cache that may well have been hidden from Saddam himself?

This find really does not meet the burden of the claims used to justify the war, IMHO.

In 40 years we will be ordered into another war by someone who avoided fighting in this one, likley in South America so we can make big bucks off the drug trade. No one will remember Vietnam, so the reference will have to be made to the war in Iraq, where our troops have been fighting for 45 years.

I think we need to invade Canada!

Beauty AY, towel off wet head, Hoser!

Yeah...Canada.

Then we can have all the Molson's Stock Ale we want!

Yeah....Canada. That's the ticket!

nwokie, you're playing dumb.

let me quote colin powell: "MASSIVE AMOUNTS".

Don't take us for stupid please.

DJ said>>>
WMD's weren't found because the Russians hauled them to Syria.

Conspiracy!!! Thought that was for the Libs???

Getting back to the original intent of this thread, and that is that I was behind someone who had a son KILLED in Iraq! I see bumper stickers all day, but this person's message resonated more because of the loss this person experienced and the fact that it was a senseless death. I would be beyond pissed. Hell, I'm pissed, and other than my tax dollars, I don't have a dog in the show.