These were posted in a newsletter I get via email;

Gun Free Zone Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeo05uPMmn4

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"I've Changed My Mind"
by USCCA Member 'yankeedime'


I try to be open-minded and study both sides of an argument. After studying the gun control issues I have to say that I now support gun control because...

1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, Detroit & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles', because they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

Laws against murder haven't worked at all, because there seem to be plenty of murders. Let's rescind them too, eh? Then maybe there will be fewer murders. Just like there would be less gun violence if there were no gun control laws.

Andrew

There is no such thing as an "Assult" weapon. All weapons can be used for offensive or defensive purposes. Most of the criteria for an "Assult" weapon, is how it looks.

An old Enfield 303, can do just as much damage as a modern AK. Or a 44-40 for that matter.

And people say you dont need more than 8 rounds, for hunting, but if I'm using it for defense, and I have a mob of 9 or more, I sure need more than 8 shots.

Statistics show that if you have a gun in the house, you increase your chance of being the victim of gun violence. It's your right to increase your chances of being killed by a gun if you want, but I'll pass.

Vital, that's typical "Brady Bunch" balderdash.

Nwokie, Bullets fall into the same catagory as good food and beer; More is ALWAYS better!

Vitalogy, Care to post some of those statistics or at least a source? Most of the information I read shows just the opposite.

From: http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst?docId=5001654692

Victim resistance can be passive or verbal, but much of it is active and forceful. Potentially, the most consequential form of forceful resistance is armed resistance, especially resistance with a gun. This form of resistance is worthy of special attention for many reasons, both policy-related and scientific. The policy-related reasons are obvious: if self-protection with a gun is commonplace, it means that any form of gun control that disarms large numbers of prospective victims, either altogether, or only in certain times and places where victimization might occur, will carry significant social costs in terms of lost opportunities for self-protection.

On the other hand, the scientific reasons are likely to be familiar only to the relatively small community of scholars who study the consequences of victim self-protection: the defensive actions of crime victims have significant effects on the outcomes of crimes, and the effects of armed resistance differ from those of unarmed resistance. Previous research has consistently indicated that victims who resist with a gun or other weapon are less likely than other victims to lose their property in robberies(3) and in burglaries.(4) Consistently, research also has indicated that victims who resist by using guns or other weapons are less likely to be injured compared to victims who do not resist or to those who resist without weapons. This is true whether the research relied on victim surveys or on police records, and whether the data analysis consisted of simple cross-tabulations or more complex multivariate analyses. These findings have been obtained with respect to robberies(5) and to assaults.

There are lots of other studys too. Just do a Google search.

Remember, Criminals prefer unarmed victims!

I don't need a gun. I live next door to the chief of police, and across the street from a county sheriff with pitbulls :-)

And how are they going to protect you, if you wake up, and someones in your bedroom, threatening you?

Or someone runs you off the road, then comes up to your car, threatening you?

"One highly regarded study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that keeping a gun in your home actually increases by 2.7 times the risk that someone in that home would die in a homicide. Another found that it is 43 times more likely that a gun kept in the home will be used to kill a member of their home or their friends than to kill an intruder."

http://ccrkba.org/pub/rkba/general/ftcsum.html

"Grossman's study cites research that indicates that having a gun in the house increases the risk of suicide among teen-agers and young adults tenfold and the risk of homicide threefold."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9B05E4D6173EF931A25755 C0A960958260

"And while having a gun in the house may make the gun owner feel more secure and safe, the problem with having guns in the home, argue gun control supporters, is that they are a temptation both for children and adults."

http://www.faqs.org/health/topics/9/Gun-control.html

"For every case of gun use for self-protection there are 1.3 accidental deaths, 4.3 murders, and
37 suicides. Having a gun in the house increases the chances of someone dying by suicide in that house by 5 times and by 9 times if the gun is kept loaded.

www.pgs.ca/updir/child=guns_final3.pdf

Family killings are the only category of homicide where women outnumber men as victims, with their male partner the most likely person to murder them. If her husband or boyfriend has access to a gun the chance of a woman being murdered by them increases five fold. Having a gun in the house increases the risk of a woman being murdered by 272 per cent (compared to 41 per cent for both men and women).

http://asiapacific.amnesty.org/apro/aproweb.nsf/pages/issue9_ImpactGunsWomen

Gawd, I actually agree with Vitalogy on something. I guess that's the second time. I agreed with him on the McMinnville Butt case also.

Deane, I'm sure we agree on lots of things. I'm a common sense kind of guy.

I'm not saying ban guns or repeal the second amendment, but I think guns are one of the most evil things in our society, and should be controlled better than what they are, not celebrated as a gift from god.

Agreed.

I've changed my mind too.
Seriously.
I used to be somewhat pro gun control.

The actions of the current Administration have convinced me of the need for an armed citizenry.

>>>"The actions of the current Administration have convinced me of the need for an armed citizenry."

I assume that's simply a tongue-in-cheek comment, otherwise it would be the advocacy of an armed overthrow of the U.S. Government and might earn you a visit from the guys in the cheap suits.

"a visit from the guys in the cheap suits."

You and Herb are coming for a visit?

;-)

Herb and I don't make house calls to spread the word about the wonderful world of conservatism. We simply make insightful and informative posts on forums such as this.

I think you may have us confused with the Morman Missionaries that go door-to-door with their message.

"We simply make insightful and informative posts on forums such as this."

I'll continue to be on the lookout for one of those.

It shouldn't be too difficult to find, compared to the leftist drivel that passes for posts on this thread.

Herb

Still waiting.

Deane, it would be nice if you could state labeling the posts you make that are "insightful and informative" so we can tell which one(s) it is.

Andrew

Still leftist driveling.

Herb

>>>"Deane, it would be nice if you could state (should be "start) labeling the posts you make that are "insightful and informative" so we can tell which one(s) it is."

I was pretty sure that you guys who drive on the left side of the intelligence road wouldn't recognize them.

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Hmmm... guess I'd better reload.

I'll think of what it was I was going to ask after I am out of bullets. :0)

Deane writes:
I was pretty sure that you guys who drive on the left side of the intelligence road wouldn't recognize them.

Are they the ones that start with, "Sean Hannity says...?"

Andrew

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Okie:

"but if I'm using it for defense, and I have a mob of 9 or more, I sure need more than 8 shots."

No shit. You've reloaded how many times and you still haven't knocked down any of the little duckies? No big stuffed Snoopy for you.


Let me introduce you to my little friend(s)...

Here's your "If I have a mob" Dream Team:

1. Me
2. Missing
3. Little
4. Andrew
5. Trixter
6. Amus
7. Edsel
8. Vitology
9. Skep
10. Roger
11. AOK
...infinity

If it's a battle of wits, you'll need more than an assault weapon, since you're still losing, and badly.

Okie: "but if I'm using it for defense, and I have a mob of 9 or more, I sure need more than 8 shots."

What are you fighting, staggering zombies? ("Aaarrrrruuuuuggghhhh!") No, in the semi-real word of Nwokie mob attacks, they are each packing 8 rounds like you are, and you would be swiss cheese before you got off your first shot.

I'm there for 'ya!

"What are you fighting, staggering zombies?"

LMAO!

I was picturing his neighbors who live the same "Deliverence"-type lifestyle and are fed up with the coonhounds barking all night and the really loud bug-zapper, but Zombies are better.

(AND apologies, I forgot to include on my list Dark Temper and Mrs. Bug and Warner and...)

Ahem, just the other day in a residential area, I saw a loaded rifle in someone's bedroom (door wide open) in a never locked house leaning on the wall atop a pile of bedroom clutter. The gun owner, of course, is currently in Las Vegas.

We simply can't educated the masses to ensure our kids will be safe.

WOW Mrs. M. top 10 huh?

I am honored to have made your list and will strive to improve my ranking by the time the next poll is out. First, I need to thank all my friend and family for making this award possible. I need also to mention Tom Hanks, Martin Sheen, Shirley MacLaine, Meg Ryan, Sylvester Stallone, Jeff Bridges, Teri Garr, Jane Curtain, Debbie Reynolds, Richard Dreyfuss, and so many others but, I'm out of time. Thanks to theproducersthedirectorsthewritersandtheducatorswhomadeitallpossi

"And how are they going to protect you, if you wake up, and someones in your bedroom, threatening you?

Or someone runs you off the road, then comes up to your car, threatening you?

ANSWER: I'll tell them the chief of police lives next door and a county sheriff with pitbulls lives across the street, and will come over as soon as they hear the gunshots! If I am run off the road, once they see they are driving a better car than I am, and my wallet is empty they will move on. If they jump in and demand that I drive them to an ATM to empty my account I will say we have to stop at home first and get the card. Then I will pull in the neighbors driveway and wake up one of the two mentioned above....

See, all planned out!

Not worried about either scenario.... Things aren't quite that bad........