did you watch?

Nah, sorry, I had some paint that was still drying that I needed to watch over. Not to worry, the paint is in its last throes now.

Andrew

It would have been worth watching just to see which pacemaker was in its last throes . . . (both have pacemakers) . . . wait, this isn't the morbid thread. Sorry.

"the paint is in its last throes now."

Thats another 4 years of waiting, Andrew.

I flipped over, saw that the sneer was in place, and changed the channel.

How could anybody look into that face and see any but evil?

Mr. Cheney is a fine American. If it wasn't for leaders like him who have fought against people like Mr. Clinton and his drastic military cuts, you'd probably be speaking Farsi by now.

Herb

Herb.....Have a great day.

I am refraining from commenting to your post in order to avert myself from getting drawn into an ultimeately negative discussion!

L8R

No problem, Darktemper.

It's because of people like Mr. Cheney that it remains a free country where we can agree to disagree.

Herbert Milhous

Or make claims that have truthiness - from the gut.

Yeah, Thank Gawd Cheney defending his country in Vietnam when called - oh, wait, that's right, he had other priorities. Five times.

Andrew

Mr. Cheney used a legitimate deferral whilst raising a family.

Unlike leftists who burned our flag, Mr. Cheney went on to help fight terror.

Herb

To Herb's last post:


WHAT?

Well Herb guess Cheney needed to create even more terror to keep his job legit.

I think I have figured out the root of the generalized comparisons. After observing carefully for months, I think we only have media to blame. Folks who do not venture beyond the end of the gravel road rely quite heavily on the press. They read Life instead of living it.

So, it would follow that a picture of two dozen flag burning demonstrators would be better framed than half a million folks peacefully waving signs. One or a dozen photographs of an event speak for the whole event. Mix in sensationalism and you can galvanize attitudes for decades.

To match the two dozen extreme folks against the war, there are two dozen extreme folks for the war. They also get their picture in the paper, and they also speak loudly in voices contrary to most folks' beliefs. Mix in spin and you can galvanize attitudes for decades.

Sometimes a photograph, news footage or a radio report can use power to make positive change. No doubt that the Civil Rights Movement was given momentum when the press arrived. It also changed America's view of the Vietnam War. Images brought to us by the free press gave us all perspective on things at home and abroad.

Today, that media power has shifted to about two dozen people, and they are easily focused on a few dozen others. Personally, I want to live in a country with many voices, many faces and many different points of view. I want to live in America again.

Larry and Dick are just two old powerful men sitting at the end of the bar. Call them a taxi before they wet themselves.

"...Cheney needed to create even more terror..."

Care to either elaborate or somehow back that up, Chris?

Herb

Herb said>>>
It's because of people like Mr. Cheney that it remains a free country where we can agree to disagree.

And THANKS to "DICK" 78% of Iraqis don't have clean drinkable water. 33% dont have electricity and UNEmployment is at 44%. And 150,000 women and children have died since the INVASION I noticed those statistics scroll at the bottom of Hannity and Colmbs 2 nights ago.

If Fox News is showing only 150,000 women and children deaths, triple that number to get the accurate assessment.

I NEVER said they were about the truth...

Littlesongs: Nailed it!

This is why we are having the ugly Internet discussions right now. Without some ability to discriminate, or as it's put: "monitize", the disconnect between our media presentations and reality really starts to show to a growing number of people every day.

Rupert Murdock: "Making news worse."

That's what he does and he gets paid well to do it. Not only is doing this easily entertaining, it's beneficial to big business, who enjoys a far more free reign with us divide on every little thing, than would be the case otherwise.

"THANKS to "DICK" 78% of Iraqis don't have clean drinkable water. 33% dont have electricity and UNEmployment is at 44%."

Care to prove the cause and effect?

Herb

Care to open your eyes to reality?

Classic 'progressive' non-answer.

Play the blame game all you want. Fact is, millions of Iraqis are now free. If we had your way, they would remain enslaved.

Herb

Classic "conservative" rhetoric. Actually classic Herb rhetoric.

Many have mentioned this before on this thread but since millions of Iraqi's are free by our good American war machine, I'd bet you'd be pretty safe walking the streets of Bagdad old Herb buddy. Show me some pictures of you in downtown Bagdad then pop off.

"American war machine."

Whoa.

You truly and actually see us as the bad guy, don't you?

And does having those young Kurdish girls in school-rather than rape rooms-matter that little?

Herb

You sure have some sick obsession on your so-called "rape rooms", don't you? You just can't seem to let that one go, can you, Mr. Fister?

Thank god cheney is in the last throes of fking up all that is good about america. Dick cheney, you couldn,t rip fast enough for most americans and nearly all other people in all other countries. Dick cheney, an ugly american bar none.

"..so-called "rape rooms.."

Of all people to deny the existence of such evil.
Just like abortion-Turn your head away and say it isn't so.

Unbelievable.

Herb

This thread is a great excersize in restraint for me. I feel like I'm growing as a person.

Hey....trust me....it is very rewarding when you quit pounding your head against the wall. Lately I have taken a step back and am very selective on the threads or posts within a thread I respond to. It's kinda fun to Lurk and Laugh at what goes on. It's not hard to spot the people that are mentally broke and morally bankrupt!

"Fact is, millions of Iraqis are now free."

Yes, they have been liberated from the oppression of running water. In the heat of the summer in Baghdad, those faucets can be such tyrants. Thank heavens for shock and awe, or they might be drinking and bathing in it right now.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070802/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_070802125011

I suppose you'd rather that they be gassed like Mr. Hussein did to the Kurds?

So which would YOU prefer: bad faucets or torture?

Glad we know your priorities.

Herb

Herb said>>>
Classic 'progressive' non-answer.

Play the blame game all you want. Fact is, millions of Iraqis are now free. If we had your way, they would remain enslaved.

They're still enslaved in a way. They have CONSTANT fighting going on around them and people are KILLED every damn day. Is that not a form of enslavement???
And How about North Korea and China??? Let'sw do something about that??? Syria???

Herb said>>>
I suppose you'd rather that they be gassed like Mr. Hussein did to the Kurds?

Thanks to Reagan and Co. Sodomy had the chemical weapons to do so.....

"I suppose you'd rather that they be gassed like Mr. Hussein did to the Kurds?

So which would YOU prefer: bad faucets or torture?

Glad we know your priorities."

Which is a worse way of suffering - close to instant death via chemical warfare, or a long, drawn-out process of dehydration because we f***ed up and can't get the damn water turned on?

Hundreds of thousands have died as a direct result of our occupation. Are those deaths justified because **WE** are the ones responsible? Does that somehow make it more right than Saddam's hand in them?

Somehow I don't see the Bush regime facing a tribunal for crimes against humanity and the gallows, unlike Saddam.

Brianl said>>>

Somehow I don't see the Bush regime facing a tribunal for crimes against humanity and the gallows, unlike Saddam.

Hummmmmmm

Dick Cheney is a piece of shit and America is worse off for his leadership. That is what should read on his grave stone.