Zionism?

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Author: Saveitnow
Friday, July 27, 2007 - 5:16 pm
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Is it a good thing or a bad thing?

Author: Andrew2
Friday, July 27, 2007 - 5:24 pm
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Your opinion first.

Andrew

Author: Littlesongs
Friday, July 27, 2007 - 5:33 pm
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This kind of topic is akin to using a match to see how much gas one has left in the tank. If you want my opinion, I would say just rock the fender and listen closely for a slosh.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Friday, July 27, 2007 - 9:06 pm
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What do you think Zionism is?

Author: Chickenjuggler
Friday, July 27, 2007 - 10:20 pm
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It depends on who is implementing it and why.

Author: Chris_taylor
Friday, July 27, 2007 - 11:42 pm
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From Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Author: Digitaldextor
Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:05 am
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Zionism is a good thing.

Author: Missing_kskd
Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:55 am
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This being a good thing or bad thing all depends on the person really.

Does not matter if one buys it or not, that's just a personal choice any of us here are free to make. This is something you either accept or not and that's it.

What one does as a result of that choice ends up being good or bad. If one engages in acts that harm others, or makes choices for them, then there is a high potential to be "bad" in this act. This is true for everyone really, not any one group of people in particular, who may be grouped according to their belief systems.

If we are talking then about Zionism, it's a not bad thing, period. If the discussion is focused on a particular Zionist, their acts really determine this, not their belief system, just to clarify what I wrote above.

A group, or the body of Zionists would be pretty damn tough to characterize as "bad" without running afoul of all sorts of biased knee jerk types of labeling problems. This also is true for everyone, in that we all know some bad apples exist for any grouping of beliefs.

(which is why labels are such dangerous things)

Author: Brianl
Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 6:31 am
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I don't fault "zionism" for the mess there right now ... and of course Israel was created in its present state thanks mostly to the Holocaust. I don't fault Zionists, en masse, for the problems either.

That said, I don't think it's fair to have a Jewish state at the complete expense of the Palestinians who have no home. The occupation of the Occupied Territories has been condemned by the UN and pretty much universally all nations in the world. The Palestinians living there have no rights whatsoever, and many are enslaved.

I don't know if both sides can coexist, but don't BOTH deserve a place to call home?

Author: Saveitnow
Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 2:13 pm
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I will agree with Brianl, but it's to bad the Paul Allen owns a Zionist company.

Author: Nwokie
Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 6:41 pm
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Current Zionism is based on the hard truth, Never Again, will 6 million be slaughtered without a fight.

The neighboring countries have always had the ability to relocate the palistian refuges, but they refused in order to distract their populations from their own problems.

It would be like if the US created a buffer zone along the southern border, and forced all mexican immigrants to stay in a 20 mile buffer zone.

Author: Brianl
Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 7:01 pm
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That's basically right Nwokie, but these refugees have ZERO rights and ZERO liberties. They can't get jobs because the Israeli government all but forbids it, and of course they can't own their own business in occupied land. They are not liked by most of the other Arab nations, the only thing they have in common is their disdain for Israel.


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