I just saw this. My remarks are at the bottom…:
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Board Operator Opportunities Spanish is a must

KRYP EL REY 93.1 FM Spanish Station is currently looking for full-time, part-time, and on-call board operators. Must have radio board operating experience. Must be able to multi-task and handle light production duties. Spanish is a must. Experience with Prophet Systems’ NexGen Automation is preferred, as is experience with digital editing in programs such as Adobe Audition. Must be willing to work early mornings, overnights or weekends.

All candidates must be team players with strong moral character and integrity. If you are a person who meets the above criteria, send your resume to Human Resources, EL Rey 93.1 Radio, 6400 SE Lake Rd, Suite 350, Portland Oregon, 97222 or email dave@1041thefish.com or fax to 503-786-1551. Absolutely no phone calls please.

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1. IS THIS ad legal? So in other words, can a station demand that you speak any language, and deny you solely on your basis if you can’t ? And what if a station said “ you must speak perfect English” , hence denying Hispanics (legal or not) the opportunity? In the era of EEO, this is kind of on the edge for me.

2. I’m not saying the perfect people aren’t out there for this- but it’ll be finding a needle in a haystack. Just how many people in radio, or with radio experience in Oregon also speak Spanish fluently enough to take this position on?

3. I am not a racists whatsoever. My parents both came from Germany, and spoke little English- but then understood in order to succeed in America, one had to speak English- and they learned. Are Hispanic stations just making it easier for illegal’s not to have to conform to anything in our country? I think so.

Knowing spanish and working at a Spanish station. Well, this could require interaction on air for what ever reason and you don't know Spanish well it could make it complicated. But I think your question is more on the legalities anyway. Good question but I think in this case it is actually fine. For instance if you want to be a Airport tower controller it is a must that you speak English. So there are some situations that it is ok and I believe this would be one of them. If it was for lets say a sales guy, well then it could say preferred but not necessary. And you see that phrase all the time in ads. "preferred but not necessary" Actually Eugenebob good question. And to answer your question on how many people. Well, the talent pool here in Oregon isn't too deep since most who have been doing it here for awhile actually have been doing it pretty poorly. But nevertheless there isn't a lack of people who want to be a "dj"/board op. Ditto for the "ingles" market.

IS THIS ad legal?
I'm not an employer or authority on the issue, but as far as I know, yes. How many other job ads out there say "bilingual English/Spanish required?" They're just saying that in a different way. I mean, if an employer offers service in Spanish as a convenience to its customers, and the position they're looking to fill is a position where they will be serving Spanish-speakers in Spanish, and nobody else at that place of employment can fit the bill, I think they're allowed to say something like the above, just like the employers that want "x years of experience and a Bachelor's in y."

Are Hispanic stations just making it easier for illegal’s not to have to conform to anything in our country?
There are legit people in this country that speak Spanish. Hopefully the "strong moral character and integrity" part of the ad means 'people not authorized to work in the United States need not apply.'

The abilities to speak and understand the Spanish language are skills that can be learned. They are required for the job because production--and possibly talking on the air live--are parts of the job. Thus it legitimate and legal for them to be listed in the ad.

As a spanish language station, yes, they can make it a requirement.......

You see bi- lingual preferred in ads more often. Retail is starting to consider it a plus. Sad, but in our efforts to please and not offend, we are becoming a Engspan nation. Maybe in the not too distant future Spanish will be required in school much as Latin was at one time...

I think a nation functions better with one language, but being versed in multi languages won't hurt.

To read this post in spanish, press #1 on your computer now.

To continue in english, Press #2.

People who come here from other places both successfully learn English, and also continue to use their first language. My grandparents moved here from Finland and spoke Finnish to each other 'til the end of their lives.

So the fact that you may still think in Spanish but are working hard to use English doesn't mean it's not easier to be around people who can speak Spanish! It's not a black-and-white issue, no matter what the English-first folks think.

Comfort and familiarity is a good thing ... especially in a strage place, even a new place you WANT to be in. I don't live in Oregon anymore, but still keep pics of the Pacific NW on my computer desktop. It makes me feel like home in a huge Southern megalopolis where I've been more successful than ever before ... but still don't feel a part of things.

Illegal aliens are a problem. But there are a lot of folks here legally from Mexico who are living the American Dream, 21st Century-style. God bless them for that! That's the American Way! Come here from another country, bring some of your culture, and become a part of ours. There are people in Woodburn who came from dirt-poor migrant families who are starting businesses and families and building community ties.

Now there's more Spanish-language choices for them on the radio. Freedom and Capitalism win AGAIN! WOO-HOOOOOOOOOO!

And those of you who think it's un-American for new groups of non-white people to be adding to the melting pot, you can suck hard on my Star Spangled Banner, baby!

Amen Sutton

Go anywhere else on earth and you will find that two or more dominant languages is the norm... only in the USA (or wherever you find Americans in the rest of the world) do you find people who think it's normal, right or expected that everyone speak one language.

You'd better get used to it, because modern technology is just going to make it ever more common. It's not about Mexicans or illegal immigrants, it's about people moving where they think they can have a better life, and bringing their culture with them.

I bet there's some cranky old crackers in Woodburn who used to bitch about Mexicans and are now complaining about the Russians too.

Bob, you claim to be "not racists", but your statements presume that hispanics, legal or otherwise, cannot speak perfect English. That, my friend, is a racist statement.

Requiring someone to be fluent (i.e. can understand and be understood perfectly in English) is legal and not racist. Requiring someone to be able to speak without a trace of hispanic accent (or requiring someone to not LOOK hispanic) is racist and illegal.

Both English and Spanish should be mandatory starting in elementary school, the time of life when learning more than one language is easiest to do. I for one feel sorely cheated that I did not get this vitally important instruction back then and had to struggle to learn it later.

Bilingual education as currently constituted may have its problems, but "English immersion" for immigrant children is absolutely the wrong way to go. We essentially decided to become a bilingual country when we annexed half of Mexico in the mid-19th century. It's long past time to accept this reality and deal with it like adults instead of sullenly insisting that everyone speak the same language.

Immersion is the wrong way to learn any language. Some people can do it but they are a minority.

I personally think that anyone who knows more than one language is better off. It opens up parts of the brain that close off if you wait too long.

El wrongo, Copernicus! Immersion is a great way to learn a language. Copernicus, just get yourself a senorita and you'll be speaking her Espanol in no time. And she'll have 93.1 on the preset before you can say "arriba!"

Correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't Copernicus be happier with a Señor?

with enough tequila it wouldn't matter.

>>To read this post in spanish, press #1 on your computer now.<<

>>To continue in english, Press #2.<<

There is a website on AltaVista called Babel Fish. That does written foreign language translation.

http://world.altavista.com/

Speaking of languages, I lived in another country in the past as an English native speaker. I can tell you it is really hard to be perfect to speak, understand, or communicate very well in another language without leaving an accent.

Also, you have to realized that American's are spolied when it comes to language and culture. You'll find american tv shows, music, & McDonald's almost everywhere.

I whish these people stop complaining about Spanish music. Do you know they play a lot of English music in another country such as Argentina, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, and yes, Mexico. If you go to Mexico City you'll find a lot of English music with Spanish, and they don't have a problem. English is not going away only we (american's) are getting behind in the world competitive business.

E_dawg you right, i'm from Mexico City and i used to listen a lot more radio in english than radio in spanish because maybe half of the radio station in Mexico City play only english, actually i worked as a club dj for about 10 years and 90% of my play list was english.

So how do I create an ñ on a computer keyboard? (I copied and pasted that one from Darktemper's post.)

Hold down the 'alt' key.

While holding it, type '0241' on your numeric keypad.

For more arcane win32 chars and codes, see:

start, programs, system tools, character map.

If you look in the lower right corner, it will give you the alt+ codes.

Thank you. Now back to our program of continuous salsa.

Usted es absolutamente agradable en cualquier momento. !Viva bien¡

Translated from Alta Vista:
"You are absolutely pleasant at any time. affluent!Viva"

Fly naked!

Bleedingroid is absolutely correct. Immersion is the easiest and quickest way to learn a language. I learned both Spanish and English while in high school (2years Spanish, 3 years German). I did ok with it and speaking with classmates and locals was OK but not until I went to Europe and spent time in Germany with people who did not speak much English, if at all, did I really get good with it. I learned more in a short time while there. Same when I got to Spain for Spanish. I could practice all I wanted here but it was better each time I went to countries speaking those languages. Conversing with those locals that knew no English forced me to learn those languages.

Sitting in Munich at Oktoberfest with a bunch of Germans who were "drunk" on warm Bier was a great learning experience.

The ad did not say you had to be Mexican or Spanish. It only said "Spanish is a must" meaning, I suppose, that you had to be fluent in reading, writing, and speaking Spanish. A non-Hispanic could fill this bill. There is nothing wrong with the ad. Instead of complaining, learn and become proficient in Spanish and you may open up some new avenues of employment.

If they were forced to hire a non-Spanish speaking person, they would need an interpreter, who they'd have to hire for that purpose and then, we'd have the same problem all over again.

Randy, I should have reverse translated!

I used the Alta-Vista Babel Fish to translate it in the first place! Hilarious.

Original text was something like:

"You are quite welcome anytime. Live well."

"Fly Naked" has bumper sticker / luggage potential though, so it's not all bad.

Bob isn't racist, he's just an idiot.

Point taken.

randy_in_Eugene....So how do I create an ñ on a computer keyboard? I use ñ (alt 164)

Why are people upset at the Spanish language requirement (for a Spanish station, duh!), yet think nothing of the religious discrimination implied in the phrase "strong moral character"?

BABEL FISH DOESN't translate Slovenian into english. I have the obit from my grandfathers funeral in 1923 that was in the Slovene newspaper in Cleveland. I would love to translate that....

Big ears... if you have Familia en Mexico, I could use some expired license plates for my collection.... Any help?

Radio Job... Must be fluent in english. Strong communication skills in the english language a must......

Dj freeeeesh wouldn't qualify for that one either.

:-)

I must generally disagree with most of you. Here is why:

This country RUNS on speaking English, the same as it runs on American Currency. In other words, don’t walk into a 7-11 or a Starbucks with Peso’s and expect to get service; and don’t expect to get any job- other than working the fields, unless you can speak English.
I believe that immigrants- legal or illegal need to learn English, for the sake of being successful. And lets face it, we all know that Spanish stations aren’t for legal immigrants, either. I have known several legal Mexican immigrants who became citizens, and they were proud to have learned English- and therefore spoke it as their first language and demanded their kids did as well. We have opened our borders, allowed millions of undocumented people in, put up with employers who pay them substandard and untaxed wages, give them all of the same social services ( that they never paid for) , and now we have radio stations that are all in Spanish, demanding that only people that are fluent can work there. It’s nuts.
As far as it “ being mandatory for English and Spanish to be taught in schools” is ridiculous. Kids today can’t correctly speak English, let alone Spanish.

Language and currency are only de-facto things, if the people continue to see value in them.

English has a very high value. Intermixing another language here is not going to change that significantly. Two core value elements, almost unchallenged among languages today, is it's very flexible and robust syntax and word assembly formulation. (somebody has the right word for that, I know it.)

English is a very rich language that may easily be extended in a number of ways.

Additionally, english has a strong grip on the sciences.

I seriously doubt it's relevance is any immediate danger.

When that time comes, there will not be a whole lot we can do about it. Either something new will out evolve english, thus placing it on par with other languages, no longer prominent, or it won't. No law will dictate this --people and their value judgements will.

With currency, it's largely about the powers that be and the chain of trust surrounding it. Our currency is in quite a bit more danger than our language currently is. Many factors contribute to this, a topic for the other side of the board clearly, with two being: diminished global trust (erosion of petrodollar) and a growing imbalance in terms of wealth exported from this nation. (we don't make stuff like we used to do.)

In the end, immigrants coming here need to learn english because of it's value proposition, not because of any law or other formal declaration**.

**we are free to make these, but they are show, not substance in the greater scheme of things.

In a nutshell, english matters, not because we say it matters, but because it actually does indeed and in fact matter. That could change, but slowly enough to not be a significant worry, IMHO.

Sorry, Bob, this is an illogical, racist argument:

We have opened our borders, allowed millions of undocumented people in, put up with employers who pay them substandard and untaxed wages, give them all of the same social services ( that they never paid for) , and now we have radio stations that are all in Spanish, demanding that only people that are fluent can work there.

"This country RUNS on speaking English..."

WRONG WRONG WRONG! I saw the commercial. America runs on Dunkin' Donuts!


"Kids today can’t correctly speak English, let alone Spanish...."

I can't wait to hear Span-bonics.... :-D

"7-11 or a Starbucks with Peso’s"

Yet come back east and you are likely to get as much canadian in you change as american. Even when the exchange rate was so far in favor of american money and Wash and Ore banks wouldn't accept Can change, it still circulated here equally. Got one in change you gave it away at your next stop.

If Mexico revalued their currency to a more equal footing to the U.S. You would see "pesos" circulate freely along the border as well.

I don't get the argument that Spanish-language media is not aimed at legal immigrants. If I legally migrated to another country where I didn't know the language too well, while I was trying to learn it I'd still want some English-language media.

Just to clarify something I said earlier: I did not mean to suggest that immersion is not a good way to learn a language. For many people, especially adults, it may be the best way. (I'm especially fond of Bleedingroid's suggestion.)

Rather, my contention is that young children in this country (regardless of national origin) are not being adequately prepared for the future if they are only taught English and not given at least some Spanish instruction. (Children from Spanish-speaking families still need to learn correct vocabulary, spelling, grammar, composition, etc.) This is why I'm against total English immersion in grade school.

I visit with Latino Community here in Tacoma. A lot of the people don't speak Spanish correctly some of them are here from Mexico Honduras and Salvador. I have seen a few older people whose language is not Spanish but a native indian language. Some people don't care to be apart of the community as a whole but just to stay in this enclave.Some will advance a few won't. Ive found it is the elders who come here who show little or no interest in becoming part of our society. Those who complain that there is Spanish printed on the label of catsup, so what, I welcome it. It's all part of marketing in today's society. Learn English yes as well as other languages too. English is the main language in USA. Congress doesn't need to pass laws making English the official language when it already is. As for radio lets have more people like Bustos Media take the station that are going down the chute and put Spanish on them. Ive studied 5 languages I still keep up with them.

Most Europeans experience other languages their entire lives.

IMHO, this is a more robust environment overall. I welcome it for a lot of reasons. Too much mono-culture here for our our own good.

on Univision a while back there was an item about a pizza take out accepting Pesos instead of dollars to pay. I Forget where exactly but the place was in the southwest either Texas or Arizona. There were a lot of people irate about it too.

I would say the various Spanish formatted stations are aimed at 1st and to some extent, 2nd generation hispanics. I don't think they're mostly illegal but believe it to be a moot point. I spoke to someone I overheard speaking spanish on a cellphone about El Rey. He said(in nearly perfect english)that he didn't like that kind of music and preferred K103 and K-Hits.

> Sorry, Bob, this is an illogical, racist argument:
>
>> We have opened our borders, allowed millions of
>> undocumented people in [...] and now we have
>> radio stations that are all in Spanish,
>> demanding that only people that are fluent can
>> work there.

I'd say that this argument is xenophobic, rather than racist.

The language and currency issues are free market type scenarios. In this country, no business is forced to have people that are fluent in English, Spanish or any other language. Likewise, no business is forced to accept U.S. coins or paper currency as payment; businesses can accept foreign currencies or scrip if they want to. Businesses can also refuse to accept any type of cash (for example, they can restrict acceptable payment methods to debit cards, company checks, Pay Pal, wired bank-to-bank tranfers, etc). The real reasons that most businesses accept Dollars and have English-speaking staff is that generally, most of the customers want this.

"THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE"

It's allowing other currencies, and conveyance forms for the dollar that is at issue, not acceptance of the dollar itself, where American businesses are concerned. Right?

Business can't refuse to accept US currency. The only catch, they dont have to offer change, and the courts have ruled a resonableness test, IE if you fo in to pay a 300 dollar debt, they dont have to accept all pennies. but if you give them 3 hundred dollar bills, they have to accept it.

If they want to accept Mexican pesos, or British Pounds, thats their right. But they don't have too.

Alfredo, I would have to agree that xenophobic is a better term for this situation than racist.

And on the subject of legal tender, you can even take barter, or trade for services. You don't have to take money, and you don't have to take only American money.

Actually, if the debt ends up being a legal matter, then money will get it done. Has to. Without this, we would end up in legal dilemmas that could not be resolved.

Barter is like other currency in this respect. Optional.

The big problem with barter, is taxes, it is still considered income, but since it is hardly ever reported, its a drain on the tax rolls.

OK, I admit that I am not a lawyer by any stretch of the imagination. However, many mail-order businesses tell their customers not pay in cash; this is the example that I had in mind.

Thats because if you send cash in the mail, you cant prove they actually received it.
If you send a check or money order, you have a built in receipt.

I am a US Citizen. My Children are US Citizens. My Wife is about to become a US Citizen. I don't like to listen to English Radio and I Don't Have to. I Listen to El Rey, La GranD, La Pantera, Magia, La Bonita, La Campeona and Sometimes even La X. I do it because I have the freedom to choose.
Not listening to English Radio only has not prevented me from succeeding in life. When I was in high school I had better grades than most non Spanish speakers. When it came to spelling; I ranked nearly 100% compared to a 70% or lower for non Spanish Speaking Anglos.
I prefer Spanish music over any other langue music. I speak Spanish at home with my kids and family. Yet, I speak and write English fluently at my work place because it is required for business purposes.
And I am not an Illegal or and un-documented immigrant. What I'm trying to get throug here and prove wrong is that Spanish Radio is not for "Illegals" like you call them.

two serious questions though.

1. why no loyalty to one or two stations are all seven stations that different?

2. Are you not the least bit bothered by illegal immigration? It's never been an issue about WHO comes here but rather HOW. Is it not unfair to the millions who played by the rules?

As for the radio issue, whatever makes a buck, but put some effort into the presentation!

ok, maybe that's three questions........

1. I like to have variety at reach. I am loyal to Spanish music not to a Provider.
2. If it does not affect me directly, It does not bother me. Most of the undocumented immigrants are harvesting the crops we consume. In the contrary, I am benefited. They are forced to play against the rules and we give them a reason to do it. We force them to live in the shadow. We make them invisible to our benefit.
Tell me how it affects you personally and directly?

I believe it affects us all, just by sheer numbers. Increased pressure on everything from gasoline usage to medical care. Is there a maximum number before it becomes too many? Is one ok? A thousand? 3 million? 15 million? 100 million? To say if it doesn't affect you directly you aren't bothered, is why personal freedom is slowly being eroded. Pass a law that doesn't affect you personally, no big deal, raise a tax that doesn't affect you personally, that's fine as well. Eventually something gets passed that affects you.

If illegal immigration is ok then should we not just throw open the borders to EVERYBODY?

Notice I did not specify Illegal hispanic immigrants. I said people who come here without following the rules. The east coast has many Illegal immigrants from the Caribbean and Africa. But, they come from all over, European and asian illegals as well.

If I can sneak in to a movie theater, should I be allowed to stay? If I can shoplift without getting caught is that ok as well? Neither affect you directly.

If people should be allowed to stay if they can get here, how do you keep out the truly undesirables? How do you differentiate between Ali Abuwabudabu who comes from Pakistan and works 14 hour days washing dishes in some hole in the wall deli, The Martinez family who sneak in at Arizona and spend the year moving across the region picking crops, and Al and Stan Kyda who come in from back road Canada then plan and execute a terrorist act? There has to be some kind of check. No, whether it affects you directly or not, there has to be some rules, and if there are rules in place, then participants need to follow them.

I'll keep this radio related. Say I hate that K-Whatever is automated overnight, would it be ok if I just walked in and started broadcasting live? Doesn't affect you personally, but I imagine the caretaker of the station might not think too highly of it.

Sorry, Illegal is Illegal.

Hate the mandatory seat belt law? Get caught with out one and pay the price. Think MADATORY insurance is wrong and don't have it? Explain your position in court. Same thing. RULES IS RULES. Some distasteful, some wrong, and some trap those not meant to be trapped by them. Still have to have them.

Jumping the line affects everyone in the line.

So a board op that is bilingual must make extra money right?? like say $12 per hour rather than $10?

Jay_zie,

Personally and directly effecting a person is no standard.

How many people in the 1930's gave Hitler a pass because his policies did not effect them personally and directly?

There is a broader impact most of which should be discussed on the other side of this board.

I agree with you on the Spanish music though, there is much more music in spanish music than in american pop these days.

"like say $12 per hour rather than $10?" Actually notalent that would not be true. In most cases actually it would be less. Depending on the company and if it is Salem they are well known for being cheap with employees so I am guessing they will pay less

"I said people who come here without following the rules" mmm if you and your family are starving "following the rules" is not the best option. to get a visa you may need to wait 20 years or more. "Hunger does not wait too long"

Then open the borders to everyone. There is hunger in EVERY COUNTRY. That means there is a shortfall in social services there. Let's gather up the poor and suffering in Somalia, The Central African Republic, Uzbekestan, anywhere. Bring them all in.

Again, you are saying if you can get in here any way then, you can stay. Rubber stamp 1 billion plus unfortunate people. Probably not the best policy. Is there any point where it would be too many? Sorry, If one illegal is ok, then 1 million, or 100 million should be ok as well.

The problem is an unwillingness of home countries to take responsibility for their own citizens.

> Most of the undocumented immigrants are harvesting > the crops we consume. In the contrary, I am
> benefited. They are forced to play against the
> rules and we give them a reason to do it.

The problem that I have with the issue of illegal immigration and the related issue of "under the table" (i.e. sub minimum wage) payment is the inherent corruption that these represent. If we need people to break the rules in order for our society to function, then there is something wrong about the way that these rules are written.

No Talent's rhetorical question about pay for bilingual board operators is an interesting one. One data point that I can submit is that when I worked as a bilingual board operator, I was not making anywhere near $12/hour or even $10/hour. The pay was $8.50/hour. When a job market is as small as that for board operators, and bilingual proficiency is a specialty within that already-small pool of jobs and applicants, I don't know what, if any models, are applicable to the pay scales.

Two more problems directly effecting every legal citizen...

Uninsured "illegals" driving cars and getting into accidents.

Same uninsured "illegals" being registerd to vote while obtaining drivers licenses at the DMV office.

Both of these things really happen daily in Oregon and Washington, part of the reason the "illegals" come up here.

People with voter registration cards were photographed registering "illegals" to vote at the May Day rallies this year and last in both Seattle and Portland.

If 120 of those illegals voted Democrat in Washingtons 2004 election then we were directly and personally effected by Ms Gregoir "illegally" winning a close election.

Not to say that is a Hispanic only problem, the recently aprehendid accused rapist/kidnapper/murder Terapon Adhon was a green card resident, previously convicted felon, and also a registered and active voter!!

I'd say this directly and personally effects every law abiding citizen.

As for the low pay scale, two solutions, crack down on those employing "illegals" and the larger societal question of us all needing to have the cheapest possible everything with no thought given to the reason for the cheapness or the consequences of purching said products or services... Radio board ops included.

-Same uninsured "illegals" being registerd to vote while obtaining drivers licenses at the DMV office.
You've got to be really dumb, and I mean really dumb like stupid to think or believe that you can register to vote with just a driver's license.
I have friends and relatives who are legal immigrants and have a drivers license with perfect driving records and can't register to vote.
-Uninsured "illegals" driving cars and getting into accidents.
So you mean only un-documented or un-insured motorists get into accidents?
Where is your head?

....and each point drifts on it's own in the wind....

My biggest problem with opening the borders to everyone is the possibility of previously under control or even cured diseases making a comeback. Let's not wipe out half the population just to be good guys(Portland radio reference ).

Jay_Zie,

Come on up to Washington where your relatives can easily register to vote with a utility bill and a drivers license, no questions ask here!

I'm quite sure its the same in Oregon.

C'mon man, its nothing personal or nothing against hispanics, this is just the way it is in our "sanctuary" society.

And you can get a drivers license with just the utility bill.

Heck with a utility bill you can get a drivers license and register to vote. And they will usually let you register with just a piece of mail to your address.

..... And not ONE ineligible voter voted in the last Washington state election. yeah, right.

That is why it is SO important for EVERYONE elegible to vote! It pisses me that there is so much apathy that a turnout for an election would draw less than 90 percent of registered voters! It goes back to Jay-zie's comment about if it doesn't affect me I don't care. What is Washington's sales tax rate? What was the margin of the last Goober-natorial election? How many east of the mountains didn't bother to vote last time? Sorry, you are affected either directly or indirectly.

If you were intelligent enough and did your homework rather than accepting every vogues idea that you can register to vote with just a driver's license you'll find that by federal law you CAN NOT register to vote unless you are a US Citizen.
And if this were true, which I doubt, the respective States need to learn the US laws like you should if you claim to be a loyal citizen.
It surprises me that foreigners know the laws better than US native citizens.
Tell me who is at fault here?

It's a draw......

Next topic.

Si

ah yes, utopia!

Must be nice in your world.

We are all immigrants, or descended from immigrants. Unless, of course, your ancestors were here to begin with, and were slaughtered by immigrants.

Funny thing, if your family were here 10,000 years ago, you would recognize South and Central Americans as distant brothers and cousins. Given a chance to talk, you would be outraged at what is happening to folks in Oaxaca and they would be outraged at what is happening to folks at Warm Springs. Less than 200 years ago, the Oregon Country had a border with Mexico.

Like more than a few on the board, I tire of this endless spiral into statistics based racism. Wrap it in numbers and anecdotes if you want to, but it is still a burning cross.

Vitriol would be better focused on the fact that a wealthy company is asking for an educated American to fill what will no doubt be a minimum wage position.

Its not racist at all to ask that everyone follow the laws of the land, or work to change said laws but do not break them in the process.

Line cutters are line cutters no matter the race.

This is about fairness... my grandparents followed the rules and waited in line.

anybody from anywhere who illegally enters this country not following the established immigration rules is cutting in line and insulting the hard working immigrants who have followed the rules.

and yes it is BS that a weathly american radio company is asking an educated american to work for minimum wage as a bilingual board op.

But what is even more BS is that someone will take that job and let them get away with it.

Nontalent
-This is about fairness... my grandparents followed the rules and waited in line- where? at the Ellis Island? how long? 2 days? a week? Tell me how long and where.

In my opinion, the place where this thread crossed the line into cultural/xenophobic bigotry was with the comments expressing outrage over American broadcasters running foreign language formats.

Yep.

Notalent,

The correct word you want to use is "affect", not "effect".

Those are two different words with completely different meanings.

One is not effected by illegals, they are affected by them.

The law says you ahve to be a citizen to register to vote, and when you register, your signature affirms that, but no one actually checks.

As before, In Oregon all you need is a drivers license.

I'll tell all of my undocumented or "Illegal" friends and family members; alliens as they are called, including those who are legal residents to register to vote on the next lection.

There is nothing stopping them, however, if caught, which is unlikely, they can never become a US citizen and are immediatly deported.

And that is one of the few things that can cause a nautralized citizen to lose his/her citizenship.

NW okie:
Since voting is one of the privileges of citizenship, why would a naturalized citizen lose their citizenship for voting?

Not directed at me but..."my grandparents followed the rules and waited in line- where? at the Ellis Island? how long? 2 days? a week? Tell me how long and where."

From Slovenia to Germany. Waited 15 months then the boat to Ellis....1912.

Hey Roger -From Slovenia to Germany. Waited 15 months then the boat to Ellis....1912 - Just 15 months? is not that easy any more and a said easy because 15 months wait is nothing, now a days is about 20 o mores years. Are you willing to wait that long if you and your family are starving?

See previous posts. Either you have rules and make people abide by them, or you throw open the borders and let EVERYONE in who wants to come. Which way do you want it? Should the laws only pertain to some people? If so which? If not then no need for any immigration law. No restriction on numbers. Plenty of room for everyone. Every state has tremendous amounts of unoccupied land...

In case you missed it, I said

It's never been an issue about WHO comes here but rather HOW.

sorry, i missed it.

Thats what I was trying to say too.

But then again I guess we are cultural/xenophobic idiots.

Roger,

So would you agree that the immigration policy were friendlier to your grandparents than they are now?

Would your grandparents wait 20 years to come to America "legally." If your grandfather knew that he had starving mouths to feed and had an opportunity to come sooner to provide for their family? Would he take it?

An immigrant is an immigrant...the expereince is the same...your here, Im here...Just because it's the law, doesn't make it right.

I always say, back in the 1700's slavery was legal, would you have supported it just because it was legal? Beacause It was THE LAW? Laws don't always make things right. If current immigration policy would allow a 15 month waiting process, as it was with your grandparents, you would have more legal immigration. The immigration policy hasn't kept up with economic demand in this country. If it did, we wouldn't have this problem.

But in the past I have hired a non-spanish speaking board-op to bring up a pod up twice an hour from the live ISDN feed from a night club braodcast. I gave him the stop set times and he just bring up the pod at the time it said on the sheet...the first few weeks was a bit rough, but he got after a while...he actually really enjoyed it. This guy was a sharp guy, if I didn't think he would be able to do it, I wouldn't have let him. But I don't think this guy I hired would be able to run a day to day board if he didn't know spanish fluently, there is too many factors where if you don't know what people saying, you may be introuble with FCC...and no one wants to jeapordize their license.

Why do people insist on looking past the main issue of this problem. Not who comes, HOW!!!
If the law needs changing, then work on changing the law. Either you have open border immigration, or you don't. If an open border is not acceptable, then potential immigrants must follow current law. At the time, I'm sure that my granparents thought the wait was an eternity. The conditions while waiting were also less than desireable.

So the expectation I have is, if the current law is not acceptable, then work to change it. Until then, sneaking in is wrong, and the law should be enforced. If one illegal from wherever is acceptable, then a thousand, or one hundred thousand, or one hundred million should be acceptable as well. Where do you draw the line?

We have laws, or we don't.

How do you screen for disease? Criminal history, or other undesirable traits?

This isn't hide and seek where if you can make it to the big tree without being touched you are home free.

Roger,

Im my opinion you are looking beyond the main issue, it's not HOW, it's WHY! Why they come is the most important, if they don't have a reason to come, then HOW they come becomes a moot point. It's simple economics. They will keep coming as long as employers keep hiring them, until the laws are inforced with the employers (cut off the demand) they will keep coming (supply) and that is the truth, it's simple economics.

So I would say sometimes the power of economics are stronger than the law. This is a pefect example of it, if we are going to make the argument that simple.

This isn't hide and seek, but someone initiated a game, they just didn't tell them the rules of the game.

But in all due respect to you, I never really thought about it the way do, you have a valid argument. So in essence you'll be cool with it, as long as they do it right. If so, I can dig that.

now you have to be bilinqual to get a board operator job? whats this business coming to