They are using the "I" word

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Author: Darktemper
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 3:08 pm
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An do they are not talking about the "I" phone. It's Impeachment talk on the hill. Did Bush take this one to far and shoot himself in the foot? I think we are likely so see this one explode in his face for sure!

Author: Deane_johnson
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 3:24 pm
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What would be the basis for such an action?

Author: Missing_kskd
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 3:24 pm
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He's an asshole.

Author: Andrew2
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 3:29 pm
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Obstruction of Justice?

The Congress is not part of the judicial branch, so there need not be any specific law broken to impeach a president. The House only has to vote to impeach and the Senate then must hold a trial to decide whether the president is to be removed.

Isn't going to happen for this, though, unless something else we haven't yet heard about comes out, a new "smoking gun."

Andrew

Author: Deane_johnson
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 3:31 pm
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There would need to be some grounds and the President has absolute authority in the matters. Jesse Jr. is only showing what a stupid moron he really is when he makes suggestions like this one.

Author: Radio921
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 3:42 pm
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fruit does fall too far from the tree does it.

Author: Chris_taylor
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:12 pm
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Impeachment of Bush to me is a waste of time at this point. Keeping Bush in office will allow him to continue to slip on the banana peel while his GOP buddies distance themselves farther and farther away.

Author: Nwokie
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:17 pm
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An impeachable offense is whatever congress says it is.

However I remember seeing Justice Roberts talking about impeachment of judges, and he stated a judge that refered to a european Court ruling as a basis of his/her rulings would not be an impeachable offense.


That wouled make for a major constitutional crisis, the supreme court overruling an impeachment.

Author: Andrew2
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:22 pm
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The Supreme Court CANNOT "overrule" an impeachment of a president. There is no such basis in the Constitution. If the Senate votes by 2/3 + 1 to convict, the impeachee is history. There's no appeal in the Supreme Court. Impeachment is a political act.

Andrew

Author: Edselehr
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 5:16 pm
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"Impeachment of Bush to me is a waste of time at this point. Keeping Bush in office will allow him to continue to slip on the banana peel while his GOP buddies distance themselves farther and farther away."

If it weren't for the soldiers (and civilians) dying daily in Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush's watch, I would agree with you.

I would also amend the calls for impeachment to focus on Cheney. If Bush goes and Cheney remains, there is no change in policy. If Cheney is pulled out from beneath Bush, this might give W. serious pause and cause him to reflect on the course he has taken this country, and perhaps change it before he leaves office. Despite everything, I feel that Bush is a good man at heart, but trapped in a neocon bubble.

Author: Andrew2
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 5:37 pm
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Cheney's so-called control of Bush is overstated. While Cheney is highly influential, don't believe for a minute that Bush doesn't make his own decisions. He's a stubborn SOB and won't change his mind about Iraq with or without Cheney around.

Andrew

Author: Deane_johnson
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 5:39 pm
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Right on Andrew!

Author: Missing_kskd
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 9:20 pm
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I'm not sure impeachment makes any sense. I want it, because the rule of law demands we do it. I don't want it because of the clusterfuck that's gonna result.

Where there are clusterfucks, Rove and his means and methods shine. No thanks.

Maybe I'll just share Olbermanns thoughts on the matter:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/03/keith-olbermanns-special-comment-you-ce ased-to-be-the-president-of-the-united-states/#more-18986

Yeah, they are assholes.

Author: Newflyer
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 10:09 pm
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Impeachment of Bush to me is a waste of time at this point.
That what was said about Clinton when he was impeached.

IMO, it's not gonna happen, because the Republicans are making too much money, Democrats are also making too much money under the current administration, would rather get people worked up about Social Security payments, tax breaks, gun control; and add to the fact the number of Republican-registered voters that switched to Democrat in name only (still have the same ideals, switched only because they believe this "two party system" nonsense).
Besides the politicos, ever notice the amount of "Impeach Bush" and 'Countown to inaguration day' merchandise out there? Yup, even the supposed non-political types are making a lot of money selling everything from shirts and countown calendars, to clocks that countdown to inaguration day. None of these THINGS are going to get Bush impeached, they only take more dollars out of your pocket.

Besides, you'd have to impeach Cheney, too, or he'd become President.

Oh, another thing I heard of is Bush signing a law that says if the U.S. is attacked by terrorists, he will remain President until the attack is over. The Queen of England was even on hand to witness the occasion. This could mean Bush will remain President for the rest of his life, and we will have no say over it.

IMO, the best thing to do: vote all 537 of them out as soon as we can. Yup, President, Vice-President, the Senate, AND the House. Everyone should see through the social engineering called "the two-party system," and take the time to do some research on all the candidates (red, blue, green, independent, write-in, etc.), and vote for the one they really think will do the best job - not what party they're endorsed by.

This is coming from a registered non-partisan voter, that was lied to that 'you can't vote at all in the primaries unless you pick one or the other.' BS, I can still vote for/against ballot measures, and nonpartisan candidates/offices.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 11:51 pm
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"Oh, another thing I heard of is Bush signing a law that says if the U.S. is attacked by terrorists, he will remain President until the attack is over. The Queen of England was even on hand to witness the occasion. This could mean Bush will remain President for the rest of his life, and we will have no say over it."

Does that count if Bush himself is attacked and killed?

Author: Skeptical
Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 1:15 am
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We go in and hit them. again and again (with investigations and inquiries).

hatred of Nixon was never this bad. nixon only fk'ed himself up. bush and CHENEY are reaming each and every American.

The up side, bush has opened the door for Hillary Clinton to do whatever she damn pleases.

Author: Missing_kskd
Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 9:03 am
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I like this approach.

Shame the living crap out of them, and anyone that continues to support them.

Author: Nwokie
Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 9:52 am
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Hillary cant win, and neither can Obama, the electoral votes for them just aren't there.

Bush or Cheny will not be impeached, they havent commited a high crime or misdomeaner.

Clinton broke an actual law. Which is why he was impeached.

Author: Andrew2
Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 9:56 am
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Nwokie writes:
Hillary cant win, and neither can Obama, the electoral votes for them just aren't there.

All Clinton or Obama needs to do is win every state John Kerry won in 2004 plus win Ohio, which Kerry would have won had 70,000 Ohio voters gone for Kerry instead of Bush. Doesn't seem so far fetched to me. Obviously 2006 showed that the country has shifted since 2004; Ohio has elected a Democratic governor and senator.

Andrew

Author: Nwokie
Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 10:17 am
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Kerry didnt have nearly the negatives Hillary has, when over 50% of the population say they wont vote for you, its hard to win, especially when most of the ones that will vote for her, are concentrated in a few states.

Obama doesnt have a chance in the south or mid west.

Author: Andrew2
Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 10:23 am
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So which states that Kerry won in 2004 do you think either Hillary or Obama can't win? Again, all they need is Ohio + the states Kerry won, and I'm saying either Hillary or Obama could win Ohio now. No southern state is needed to win.

Andrew


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