And many on the left will be surprised by her chastising them. I never thought I'd be sourcing the dailykos, but here it is:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/28/12530/1525

Herb

Grief is something many people have not a clue on how to deal with it. In our western culture it's like you get two weeks to feel bad and then "get over it." The emotions of grief are not so kind. They can be overwhelming and can crumple you literally to the floor sobbing uncontrollably. It's not easy to view this kind of emotion. But it is something I have endured in the past 6 months.

Cindy stepped out of her comfort zone and showed us the grief of a mom about her son. I haven't always agreed with her tactics but I can certainly identify with her grief and how many want to distance themselves from that grief but choose other terms instead.

In some cultures when a person dies there is a year of mourning where that person wears clothing to signify they are grieving. Once that year is up they remove the mourning clothes and wear their traditional clothes.

Cindy has been wearing her mourning clothing too and it has been very visible to our nation and even the world. She has chosen to show the face of grief in all it's pain...and it's not easy to look at.

Now multiply Cindy's grief with all the deaths associated with this war on both sides.

I can see why she would be upset with the left and the right. Both kept trying to polarize and politicize her actions. I don't thing she saw herself as left against the right, but right against the wrong.

Glad to see you're reading DKos, Herb. There's some good stuff on there. Keep it up.

I am so sick of this attention whore.

Mc74, you're referring to Ann Coulter, right? Because Coulter charges people money to pay attention to her - Sheehan doesn't.

(thud)

Herb, linking Kos!

She really has been politicized to the hilt. Don't blame her one bit.

Her question never did get a solid answer either.

(it's oil)

Mc74 sez: "I am so sick of this attention whore."

Edselehr: "Mc74, you're referring to Ann Coulter, right?"

LOL! You're sharp today Mr. Ford!

Isn't Ann Coulter sort of like the Paris Hilton of the right? Famous for being . . . well, just famous. She could disappear tomorrow and not one butterfly on the planet will be remotely disturbed.

I heard Cindy Sheehan doesn't use deodorant.

Ann Coulter is a self-made constitutional attorney and best-selling author.

Comparing her to Paris Hilton is akin to saying Supreme Court justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg is a lot like Lindsay Lohan.

Herb

"Ann Coulter is a self-made constitutional attorney and best-selling author."

Hitler was a self-made political leader and a best-selling author also. Does that validate his views?

Ann Coulter is a fucking shemale with tentacles for fingers and the world's largest adams apple. She's a shrill beast who almost singlehandedly proves the bar is set too low to become a laywer.

How this mannish pondlife ever tricked people into thinking he/she/it is relevant to anything resembling intelligent discussion is mindboggling, to me. Although I guess it's a lot more revelatory when you note the assholes who actually pay attention to her words for the purpose of "learning."

And the Ginsberg comparison is very apt. She used to toot blow off of toilet seats in her college days and never wore panties. Beef curtains for days, that Ginsberg. I heard she can put her ankles behind her head and dance the watusi. FREAK NASTY. Lindsay's just copping all of Ruthie's moves. Natasha Richardson gave her the biography on the set of Parent Trap and it was all over after that.

My post, checking current statistics, has 78% more substance in it than an average 2 hour speaking engagement by Ann Coulter.

"Ann Coulter is a self-made constitutional attorney and best-selling author."

True. So what? Say it. Out loud. Therefore...she should be liked? Respected? Paid? What?

What has she ever said that was incorrect or untrue?

No, Chickenjuggler.

Like her or not, Ann Coulter, like Hillary Clinton, is a woman with gravitas. Ms. Coulter also is intelligent, therefore the comparison to Paris Hilton is not accurate.

Herb

Ann Coulter is more intelligent than Paris Hilton.

EXCELLENT point!

Just remember, Chickenjuggler...anything negative said about Ms. Coulter could be multiplied many times over about Ms. Clinton.

Plus, Ann Coulter is not a public employee. She a person who writes books. Hillary Clinton is on the public dole and therefore opens herself to greater scrutiny.

Herb

I don't have any problem remembering it. I'm not hot for Hilary. Never have been. Coulter has said things specifically to get me to react - so I have.

The difference is that I would never cite Hilary's bookwriting or any of her other accomplishments as a reason to give her added respect. ( Which, come on, is what you implied - until you got asked to clarify it - then it becomes " I'm just stating the inaccuracy of who is more intelligent." Well DUH! You REALLY think that needed to be pointed out? No. You were trying to defend Coulter because she plays for your side. But then you stop short of actually saying what you believe. Instead you jump to a more acceptable justification...as if we'll all just go " Oh that Herb, he's so noble." ).

Herb, say something that you believe to be the most negative thing you can think of about Coulter.

"anything negative said about Ms. Coulter could be multiplied many times over about Ms. Clinton."

What? No. Hillary has CANKLES. Not a dick. The comparison isn't even close. Unless you failed basic human anatomy, you should be able to tell the difference between swollen ankles and a penis.

Coulter's position ("She a person who write book") as a self-employed banshee doesn't mean she doesn't have to stand up to scrutiny, especially when she's a histrionic propagandist intent on the sole purpose of dividing the country for personal profit.

What all of this has to do with Cindy Sheehan is beyond me, but I think at this point I don't have to actually point out to anyone that this is just par for the course, and finally the rest of the board has come around to the equally fabricated "personality" that "Herb" really is. Which might explain why he enjoys the advanced troll stylings of Ann Coulter so heartily. She's parlayed her role-playing instincts into a career as an author.

Deane: Here's a list of links to Coulter's inaccuracies or falsehoods:

http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=668

Although even asking the question "When has she ever said anything untrue" is pretty disingenuous.

I didn't seem much of a list. I did notice that there are no positive stories about Republicans and no negative stories about Democrats. Hello!

Well fuckin duh, Deane, it's a liberal website. I googled "Ann Coulter Lies" and there was an article about someone googling "Ann Coulter Lies" on the first page, and then that paragraph with like thirty different hotlinks to examples of the lying.

The question is disingenuous because of COURSE there's someone somewhere cataloguing the inaccuracies of public figures. Politics is shallow football now, meaningless and infantile, and kids who grew up checking baseball card stats now scour the internet for strikeouts and errors for politicians, in the hopes of using them in a meaningless online argument to make themselves feel better. You can find an equal amount of links on a right wing blog if you google "Hillary Clinton lies" And I could just as pointlessly go "Hey, they don't like left-wingers on that site HELLO!"

Although that said--Coulter is FRIGHTENINGLY FULL OF SHIT in ways that Clinton hasn't even come close to reaching, although the comparison between the two is totally forced and diversionary in the first place, a fact I'm sure you recognize. Or maybe you don't. I'm guessing you did nothing more than look at the hotlinks, not click one, immediately scan for right wing articles, found none and shrugged, safe in the knowledge you could dismiss the link utterly for facile reasons.

When I Google "Ann Coulter lies" I get 1,210,000 hits.

When I Google "Hillary Clinton lies", I get 1,240,000 hits.

When I Google "Bill Clinton lies" I get 1,710,000 hits.

When I Google "John Kerry lies: I get 1,250,000 hits.

When I Google "John Edwards lies" I get 1,440,000 hits.

Now, what's the message you're trying to give me?

LOL.

You asked "When has she ever said anything untrue."

So I linked you.

That's the message. The message was the question was silly. Of COURSE she lies. She opens her mouth. She's a human. To even ask is silly, for the reasons I stated above, which I will repost because I'm pretty sure you didn't read it otherwise you wouldn't have asked what the message was:

"The question is disingenuous because of COURSE there's someone somewhere cataloguing the inaccuracies of public figures. Politics is shallow football now, meaningless and infantile, and kids who grew up checking baseball card stats now scour the internet for strikeouts and errors for politicians, in the hopes of using them in a meaningless online argument to make themselves feel better. You can find an equal amount of links on a right wing blog if you google "Hillary Clinton lies" And I could just as pointlessly go "Hey, they don't like left-wingers on that site HELLO!"

Now, the level of lies she pukes up, THAT can be argued. Although I will say maybe you'd have been better served by actually looking into the answers YOU ASKED FOR instead of ignoring them outright before running your own google stat search, unwittingly filling the role of the politician statistician hunched over his computer that I described in the quoted paragraph above.

I mean, if you didn't want to know when she lied, why even ask? You don't care to know, so don't waste the time checking or asking if what you're REALLY asking for is "Give me a reason to dismiss anything contrary completely out of hand."

"oops! Don't need one, I've got 3 million of those already!"

I never did get a posting of one of her lies. Links, yes, but a specific lie, nope.

oh bullshit. I'm not gonna be blamed for your faux-inability to click your mouse, Deane. That's weak-sauce and you know it. You asked, I answered, there's a list, you see it, you refuse to click it. That refusal doesn't negate the examples you ASKED TO SEE. That's the same infantile logic that allows three year olds to think covering their eyes makes them invisible. And you're not a three year old.

>>>"And you're not a three year old."

Wish I was.

I remember being 4, but not 3. 4 was cool. I prefer 5, though. I got a handle on drawing Garfield, I learned to appreciate turning your milk pink after a heaping bowl of fruit loops, climbing trees was a new adventure, and a towel around my neck turned me into superman. And I didn't have to go to school yet. I read comic books while laying on the top of the family station wagon after Sesame Street and smiled a lot.

"Herb, say something that you believe to be the most negative thing you can think of about Coulter."

Sometimes she doesn't use a lot of tact. However, I don't think she really intends to.

Herb

And a lack of tact is bad because...?

Because some people take offense.

I believe the left despises Ms. Coulter so much because she's very popular, very smart and a lot of what she says is spot on.

Say what you want about liberals, they can't stand it when others beat them in the smart department.

Herb

So it's that we are envious of her intelligence? What part of her seems so envy-worthy? I don't FEEL envious of her intelligence - I feel it's other things. But by all means, spell it out - why am I envious of her intelligence?

I think she gives as good as she gets.

And if you're going to say that Ms. Coulter is mean-spirited, then don't give a pass to Christopher Hitchens. He's a great writer from what I understand, but one of the less delicate and least gracious among us, and that's putting it rather nicely. Talk about ham-fisted.

Others who can be mean-spirited include David Sarasohn, who in my opinion writes a great restaurant review, and virtually all the left-leaning propagandists at the NY Times.

Wanna pile on Ann Coulter? Fine. Lets just be 'fair and balanced.' That oughta drive Trixter nuts...

Herb

google sez: "1,750,000 for george bush lies."

With all these gloves coming off,
it makes me wonder why people put them on in the first place.

Herb,

What is it with you and gloves anyway?

I think Herb recently got the Idiot's Guide to Idioms and can't put it down. So he will use "the gloves are coming off" whether he is treating you with an iron fist or with kid gloves. No matter what, Herb makes that phrase fit hand in glove with any point he is trying to make. But he has used it so much now, it fits him like a glove.

Between the gloves & the ham fisting,
I'm beginning to suspect a hand fetish. ;-)