By DAVID GERMAIN (AP Movie Writer)
From Associated Press
May 10, 2007 4:11 PM EDT

LOS ANGELES - Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore is under investigation by the U.S. Treasury Department for taking ailing Sept. 11 rescue workers to Cuba for a segment in his upcoming health-care documentary "Sicko," The Associated Press has learned.

So, Bush, the target of many a Moore docs, has started investigating "misdoings" regarding travel to Cuba. Moore says he had permission. Treasury dept thinks otherwise.

As for his latest film "Sicko", an expose on the health crisis:

. . . Moore arranged to place a copy of the film in a "safe house" outside the country to protect it from government interference, said the person working on the release of the film.

Gotta love how the Mother Of All Misdoers has time to go after alledged misdoers over travel issues.

Geez, there's a WAR going on!

http://enews.earthlink.net/article/ent?guid=20070510/464298c0_3ca6_1552620070510 2087942636

One thing to keep in mind -- if you are among the "Gaggle of Parrots" -- is that several major league baseball teams have had "misdoings" in Cuba for some time now. A member of the Seattle Mariners was mentioned in an investigation into such dealings.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/29/magazines/fortune/Cuban_game.fortune/index.htm

So, like him or not, Mr. Moore is as American as baseball.

I'm surprised Herb isn't here shooting his mouth off about this.

The troll might have had some health insurance gaps and had to take a second out on his house. He might be silently cheering for Moore's new movie.

I'm not taking a hard position on this, but could it be the Treasury Department is doing this independently from Bush? Look, I'm no Bush defender, but why does everyone make that an automatic conclusion? Perhaps we should wait for the facts.

Could it be Treasury is doing its job and enforcing the law?

"but why does everyone make that an automatic conclusion?"

Perhaps its because when it comes to nearly everything, the operative of this adminstration has shown itself to be deceptive, secretive, misleading, and political first! If a truly honest conduct occurs by someone in this adminstration, it was by accident.

With a truckload of self-inflicted crap to deal with, why does the Bush adminstration feel the need to conduct Operation Gotcha In Cuba?

It seems if you're gonna do this, at least have some clear hard-cut evidence -- not MORE of the flimsiest of flimsy evidence that this adminstration is fond of using to trash things down our throats with!

Only three post down and Herbs name was mentioned already.

You people love him. You create topics just to lure him in.

This just in . . .

Cuba: Michael Moore Victim of Censorship
By ANDREA RODRIGUEZ (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
May 11, 2007 3:32 PM EDT

HAVANA - Cuba characterized American filmmaker Michael Moore as a victim of censorship . . .

The Communist Party daily Granma called the 45-year-old U.S. travel and trade sanctions "a criminal action that has cost lives and grave consequences for the inhabitants of the island," as well as Americans. . .

"Any resemblance to McCarthyism is no coincidence," the newspaper opined, referring to the political witch hunt that U.S. Sen. Joseph McCarthy carried out against suspected American communists in the 1950s.

Now I'm skeptical about something that came from a communist party rag, but then we've a choice of two evils to choose from -- Bush or communists -- decisions, decisions . . .

Anyway, more info about the film:

"Sicko" premieres May 19 at the Cannes Film Festival and debuts in U.S. theaters June 29.

An excellent book;

Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man by David T. Hardy and Jason Clarke.

Exposes Moore for what he really is.

care to name 5 examples of "what he really is" and the sources?

I don't care if he likes goth music, plants sunflower seeds in GOP gardens, has affairs with FBI agents and eats fried worms.

I like Michael Moore.

The two documentary films I've watched were well produced and informative. If they sting, well... that's not really his problem is it?

Web sites describing his half truths, fabrications and outright lies.

1-http://www.slate.com/id/2102723/

2-http://www.mooreexposed.com/

3-http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/127ujhuf.asp

4-http://www.moorewatch.com/f911flyer.pdf

5-http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

6-http://digg.com/politics/Film_exposes_Michael_Moore_s_lies

7-http://www.themediareport.com/jul2004/moorethisweek.htm

8-http://misterfurious.blogspot.com/2005/04/lies-continuing-demonization-of.html

9-http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html

10-http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/001921.php

I still like Michael Moore.

That's what's so great about America.

You can!

NWOkie,

Can you give me a ballpark estimate of how much of the material in the movie "F-9/11" YOU think is a lie? 10% 50% 99%?

How about "Bowling for Columbine?" 10% 50% 99%?

I, too, like Michael Moore. Like Mike Wallace, the mere mention of his name strikes fear in evildoers.

Of course Skybill! Ain't democracy grand?

He produces really great documentaries. I think it's safe to say he's likely wrong on some points, or maybe just incomplete. But that's all part of expressing ones viewpoint.

What people don't like about him is he uses his skill to make his points and he does it well.

What I find very interesting is those people working hard to devalue Moore focus on errors, his personal self, etc... All attacks on the person, or the means, or the method.

The actual points he brings to the table are solid, and that's why I like what he does.

>>>"I still like Michael Moore."

Man, like I'd want to keep that secret from the world.

Why?

I'm not in need of any approval for who I like and who I don't. Do you?

Maybe you should rethink that Deane.

Let's see now.....

Birds of a feather flock together.

Water seeks it's own level.

hmmmmmmmm

Like I said, I'm in no need of anyones approval. Yours, in particular, really would not be that meaningful.

You are just pissed because your party is on the decline, and got it rubbed in your face here a few too many times. I know it sucks, really I understand.

Since then, you've just dropped in from time to time, with lame attempts at making others, who understand this reality, look bad.

Missing, I'm not pissed off because my party is on the decline. Actually, I don't think it's declining. I think it's already hit the bottom.

But wait a minute. Come to think of it, conservatism hasn't gone anywhere. It's just got the wrong morons representing it in Washington.

Then, there's one major difference between you and I. I don't happen to take this shit serious, as you do. I refuse to let my mind get messed up with anything. I have a life, and what Washington does doesn't really bother me two hoots. I just sort of hate to see America get screwed up with socialism and naivety.

>>>"Since then, you've just dropped in from time to time"

I actually drop in numerous times each day to see what is going on. There usually isn't much of anything to get into discussions about.

Now it's a conversation!

Before moving on, I gotta ask: If you don't take it seriously, why would a favorable statement about Moore be an issue? It really isn't for me.

Liking the guy does not imply he walks on water, is always right, etc... He's actually wierd. I'm ok with that however.

I do take political matters seriously.

It used to not be that way. This leadership more or less demands more of us to take it seriously, or we are going to lose huge.

(we've already lost a lot of ground)

You are quite right in that conservativism has gone nowhere. Given the damage done, one would think anyone that understands this would be just a bit more vocal about it. If nothing else but to differentiate themselves from the mess currently attached to the label "conservative".

As for the mind getting messed up... got an interesting story there. When I was younger, I got told this. Let's say I had some less than solid school experiences, dealt me by educators who clearly had not been well educated themselves.

Stood my ground then as a youngster. At times the cost was quite high, but surrendering my self, my values and my reason was a higher cost still. As a young person, it was very tough to realize this and have to make tough choices.

My choice back then was reason. If my stand is defensible, I've absolutely no reason whatsoever to surrender it, unless I learn it's not defensible, or see something better.

Now there are things that matter and things that don't that temper that statement. That's what some life experience brings to the table. There is also a cost for making a statement like that, and it is being willing to engage others absolutely so that the work has been done where core understanding and reason is concerned.

It's not enough to just consider something defensible and stand on that. You gotta get after it, look underneath, toss it around and be really sure. That's discourse and a part of why I engage in it.

If I were in my later years, I may well be inclined to see it your way, but I'm not. I'm in the sweet spot with kids that I have to explain this shit to.

I'm likely to be here long enough yet for this stuff to matter --and that's just self interest. Handing it off to the next bunch as hosed as it is right now is just bad form as well.

So, those of us who remain relevant (and I'm not implying you are not), need to get the work done and balance our lives. Having some passion is not gonna hurt anybody.

Frankly, it will shake the apathy surrounding our politics and we will all be better for it.

Refusing to let your mind get messed up with anything is a worrysome statement to me. Does it mean you don't care, have already decided everything, don't feel relevant, isn't worth your time?

Not saying you are bad, just not quite understanding where that leads exactly...

I don't agree with Moore, but like his presentation. I can enjoy his movies without agreeing with him.

Conservativism and liberalism, when represented accurately and fully by those who ascribe to the principles of each, make a great team. What I mean is that they have done well being the yin and yang of goverenmental philosophy in America. I think each suffers without the influence of the other. A good balance between the two parties makes for the best government. One of the reasons that I think the Clinton years were so prosperous was that a Democratic executive was balanced against a Republican Congress.

In that fashion, I'm looking forward to that balance coming back now that the Dems have recaptured Congress.

As for naivety, Bush has exhibited a ton of it, so conservatism is just as susceptable to it as liberalism (if not more so).

>>>"Not saying you are bad"

That's encouraging.

>>>"just not quite understanding where that leads exactly..."

Isn't worth my time would be the correct answer.

The Bush administration has screwed the Iraq situation up very badly. The Democrats want to do even worse. That doesn't leave much to get interested in does it.

"The Democrats want to do even worse."

That's a copout.

No matter what the democrats do, full blame for whatever happens in Iraq begins and ends with Bush. If the mideast develops into a full scale war after our pullout, all I can say is bummer.

"The Democrats want to do even worse."

This statement is not known true, but let's say it is for now.

The impact of the Bush leadership is very bad for us. We've lost a lot and our global credence is significantly diminished. This puts us at great risk. --And it's possible we just won't get the oil!

So it goes down from there and you are not interested?

What exactly is interesting then?

To most? Probably watching NASCAR, drinking beer and grabbing tits is their definition of multitasking.

Deane, I do give you a whole lot more credit than that, and I would imagine that your family and career fill your plate. The mess in the rest of the world is so big, it just pisses you off. Am I near the mark?

I do like Michael Moore a great deal. I do not agree with everything he has done, but I remember how important Roger & Me was to working people all over this country. I am one of those people, and I stood in line to see it. I have seen all of his pictures in the theatre, and cast a vote to the studios and distributors with my wallet.

Critics of Michael Moore keep forgeting that it would have been quite hard for Moore to make F-9/11 if Bush hadn't handed a near-complete script to him on a plate.

Actually it was easy. He cut and pasted parts of segments and sound bites until it fit what he wanted.

My very favorite of his films follows him on a journey across America to Portland. "The Big One" chronicles his book tour, and it is a long strange trip. Part of the drama is the ironic closing of the Pay Day candy factory, and the declaration by Phil Knight that Americans do not want work. Part of the fun includes the potential of a cameo by one of the greatest rock bands ever, Cheap Trick. A pro-labor, pro-American triumph in the vein of his breakthrough about GM -- in my humble opinion.

MC said>>>>>>
Only three post down and Herbs name was mentioned already.

You people love him. You create topics just to lure him in.

And YOU 2!!!!!!

Littlesongs, yes "The Big One" was good. Kind of hard to find though. I guess not mainstream enough...