http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0956318820070509?feedType=RSS&rpc= 22

Like I've said, I don't carry water for the pope. But on the pro-life issue, at least this guy's consistent.

If the pontiff is indeed taking the papal gloves off, what kind of donnybrook is in store now for Ted Kennedy and other 'cafeteria Catholics?'

Herb

I dunno, but you're right, Herb, it sounds like those 'cafeteria Catholics' like Rudy Giuliani may have to watch their backs with the Pope on their tails.

Andrew

Agreed. And as much as I like him for helping us through our nation's worst attack since Pearl Harbour, that's why he's not my first choice for President.

We need a president who defends innocent life. That means being pro-life on the issue of abortion, and also tough on terrorists who wish to destroy innocent life. And Mr. Bush's poll figures, while historically low, are still considerably higher than democrat Harry Truman's lowest numbers...and now Mr. Truman is considered a great president.

My ideal candidate, republican or democrat, will stress both of those issues. Securing the border is important, but not the main issue if the first two issues aren't addressed.

Herb

Right. But, you consistently criticize Democrats for being pro-choice yet Rudy is miraculously spared from your attacks - as if his being a Republican makes him immune from criticism, even if you deny him your support.

To be consistent and fair, when talking about the abortion issue, shouldn't you criticize Rudy and Teddy Kennedy in the same paragraph, Herb? And since Democrats like Harry Reid and Bob Casey are pro-life, shouldn't you praise them in the same paragraph when you praise pro-life Republicans?

Andrew

"To be consistent and fair, when talking about the abortion issue, shouldn't you criticize Rudy and Teddy Kennedy in the same paragraph, Herb?"

Actually, no.

Because Mr. Kennedy is not only soft on terror, he's blaming our troops and practically defending the terrorists.

For instance, let's take Mr. Kennedy's diatribes against our troops. More innocent people died at the hands of Ted Kennedy in his car at Chappaquiddick than died at gitmo or abu gharib.

Herb

Lets not forget Mr Kennedy donating blood to the Viet cong during the Vietnam war.

Even I didn't know that one. I wonder if Hanoi Jane did, too.

Herb

Herb writes:
Because Mr. Kennedy is not only soft on terror, he's blaming our troops and practically defending the terrorists.

What does you delusional opinion about Teddy Kennedy's stand on terrorism and troops have to do with his common stand on abortion with Rudy Giuliani? Are you saying you feel more free to criticize Kennedy on abortion because in your twsited fantasies you think he loves Osama? Makes no sense, Herb. Unless you are an avowed hypocrite.

Andrew

"More innocent people died at the hands of Ted Kennedy in his car at Chappaquiddick than died at gitmo or abu gharib(sic)."

Stop Lying HerrB.

I have given you many, many links several times regarding facts about people who have died at US-run Abu Ghraib. I'm not interested enough to look up Gitmo, but I doubt that there have been NO deaths.

"Lets not forget Mr Kennedy donating blood to the Viet cong during the Vietnam war."

WTF? Prove that. Of course Hypocrite HerrB just sucked that one in, no questions asked.

"practically defending the terrorists."

defending terrorists. yes or no?

Ted Kennedy's answer to abortion...Drowning!

The Pope was a real sport in his Hitler Youth outfit, wasn't he? It seems so appropriate to discuss genocide and torture in his thread. Perhaps I ought to start with the sworn enemy of his childhood, Great Britain:

The (soon to be former) PM Blair speaks out after three deaths at Gitmo in 2006.

"Prime Minister Tony Blair, a staunch ally of the US in their "war on terror", has described the camp in the Guantanamo Bay naval base as "an anomaly that has to end".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5068992.stm

The United Nations report on Guantanamo from 2006:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/16_02_06_un_guantanamo.pdf

Even our own government will admit that there was at least one wrongful death at Abu Ghraib.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4977986

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4979183

Lest we forget, there were (and are) abuses and killings of detainees in Afghanistan too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/asia/20abuse.html?ex=1274241600& en=4579c146cb14cfd6&ei=5088

Several overviews from Amnesty International:

http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/usa-summary-eng

http://web.amnesty.org/report2006/usa-summary-eng

You can find terrorists by checking bank records and watching the elite and wealthy of the Middle East.

You can make terrorists by torturing and killing the innocent poor and middle class of the Middle East.

"Lets not forget Mr Kennedy donating blood to the Viet cong during the Vietnam war."

I'm still waiting for any kind of info...

speaking of the Pope, before he was poped, he was the head person in charge of all sexual abuse problems within the Roman Catholic Church (top dog next to the Pope) from 1978 until the day he became Pope. As we have seen, he did didley squat as did Brownie of Katrina fame. And now he's the Pope.

Here's hoping the Pope gets O'Gradied soon. Maybe then we'll see some changes in that cult/church.