What might this portend for Hillary?

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Author: Herb
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 11:58 am
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I'm a little surprised that in France, a woman didn't get a bigger percentage of the female vote.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070507/tpl-uk-france-election-women-87aac06.html

Herb

Author: Andrew2
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 12:20 pm
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Looks like the gloves are really going to come off this time! I expect to see some real ham-fisted attacks by Hillary.

Andrew

Author: Nwokie
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 12:48 pm
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I dont think this has much to do with Hillary, a few women will vote for her, just because shes a woman, and a few will vote gainst her because shes a woman. Most will base their vote on how they see her as a person, and her past actions.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 12:51 pm
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NWOkie - Do you think anyone will vote for her based on what she offers as a promise for the future?

Author: Darktemper
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 12:52 pm
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Andrew.....you been hanging around with "HERB" again?????

Author: Nwokie
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 12:59 pm
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The people will base what they expect from her, on her past actions. The only promise for the future I can see from her, is to destroy business, and further socialize the country.

If she is elected, you will see the largest exodes from the armed forces in history.

Author: Chickenjuggler
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 1:07 pm
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Destroy business and further socialize the country. Got it. Thanks.

Oh oh - and there will be massive exodes form the armed forces. Those exodes must be a bad thing? I am not familiar with what they are.

NWOkie, let me ask you quite plainly - yes or no - are you the type that responds to things based on fear more than other criteria? Is that how you operate and think? Or is it more than you just like to speak that way when addressing others - but you are actually immune to it?

Author: Andrew2
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 1:09 pm
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Hey, Nwokie, maybe all the ex-armed forces can move to FRANCE! With Herb and his new right-wing French president!

Seriously, I think most American voters have already made up their minds about Hillary. Like many other Democrats and independentw, I will support her if she's nominated by the Democratic party in a 2-way race with a Republican. If the Republicans wind up with a really weak candidate, as is starting to look like might happen, Hillary could win rather easily.

Andrew

Author: Nwokie
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 1:10 pm
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Just speaking the truth, many business operate on a very thin margin, and the taxes required to implement Hillaries ideas would put them out of business. And Hillary is detested in the armed forces, especially the combat arms areas.

Author: Andrew2
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 1:13 pm
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Bill Clinton was detested too - and you didn't see the same mass exodous of armed forces in 1993, did you? (Beyond the downsizing that the first Bush administration had been talking about and the Republican Congress later signed off on.)

The military may not like Hillary as president, but they will salute and follow orders, as they are trained to do. Well, most of them will salute.

Andrew

Author: Chickenjuggler
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 1:18 pm
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I'll take that as a " Yes " again from you NWokie - thanks.

Author: Littlesongs
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 1:56 pm
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The French election demonstrates very little about gender gap. I think it was simply about the candidates. Like Hillary, one could hardly call Maggie a sexy choice in Britain, but she won at the polls, not in a pageant.

George Stepandfetchitus sure was a hard nosed dick to John Edwards yesterday. I have no problem with a journalist who asks tough questions, but he was putting words into John's mouth and baiting him into an argument. In the end, very little positive information about Edwards was brought to light.

George still wears his Clinton loyalty on his sleeve, and now he seems to be hiding and riding in Mrs. Clinton's petticoats. I would like to give him a little credit, but he did not have the balls to act like a real journalist until mere moments after the last election.

If the new DNC strategy is to marginalize the field through the primaries and fast track Clinton to the White House, it is not a sound one. The Democratic Party had better work together and look unified, or they may find that no candidate is popular enough to win it outright. Only a total landslide can prevent the kind of fraud that shapes a closer contest.

Author: Warner
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 2:32 pm
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I'm happy that Herb and his friends are so obsessed with Hillary, because since she won't be the nominee they will have wasted all their mean spirited attacks. Then they'll have to spend more energy thinking up new mean spirited attacks for the actual nominee. Which I'm sure they will do. Cuz, that's how they roll.

Good times!

Author: Edselehr
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 2:33 pm
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Gore still has never said he absolutely will not run. Regardless of the wisdom of a Gore candidacy, I would think that if he sees the current tug o' war between Dem candidates to be detrimental to Dem success in '08, he might assert some clout to keep the process clean and fair. Gore in this case may end up being the kingmaker - the current crop of candidates will do almost anything to keep Gore happy and sitting on the sidelines.

Author: Andrew2
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 2:42 pm
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Gore also knows that if he completely slams the door shut on a possible 2008 presidential bid, he'd have less influence than he does now. Media stories speculating about his supposed candidacy keep him relevant. I don't think he's going to run if the current top 3 are still in the race next February.

Andrew

Author: Herb
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 2:59 pm
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Littlesongs, I saw part of the Edwards interview and came away with more respect for George Stephanopoulous. Isn't that what we expect from our interviewers? Unless you want to go with softball throwers like Larry King.

But seriously, if a slick lawyer Republican candidate gets $400 haircuts, lives in a 27,000 square foot mansion and says he's of the people, I'd say the same thing.

For example, I think Newt G. is kind of from the same mould.

Herb

Author: Nwokie
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 3:06 pm
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Germany elected a female PM, France almost elected a female President.

But this doesnt mean much for Hilary, how well do you think a mother of 4, who had never been married would do in a US election?

Author: Edselehr
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 3:51 pm
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"But this doesnt mean much for Hilary, how well do you think a mother of 4, who had never been married would do in a US election?"

If her single parenthood is the determining factor, she would do lousy at the national election level.

But that says nothing about her qualifications to serve, and speaks terribly of the shallowness of the electorate.

Author: Andrew2
Monday, May 07, 2007 - 5:10 pm
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Nwokie writes:
But this doesnt mean much for Hilary, how well do you think a mother of 4, who had never been married would do in a US election?

How well do you think a father of 2, who has been married three times would do in a US election?

Andrew

Author: Nwokie
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 8:32 am
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Probably pretty well. we have elevced divorced fathers before.

But a mother, of 4, who had never been married, she would have 0 chance in an election here.

Author: Andrew2
Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 9:23 am
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Divorced once is fine; divorced twice will be harder for the "family values" crowd to embrace, especially if the candidate is also pro-choice and pro-gay rights.

Andrew


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